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[happyinhisgrace]

Yes I have attended the services, many times, with one of my non-Mormon friends. My friend even agrees with me on this. I will not give my freinds name out, but their Church says we can have relationship with God but then turns around and acts like the complete opposite. However as I said before this most likley changes from church to church. And I do not belive that this one thing makes other churches wrong. As for what kind of church is it, it is a baptist church.

So this is just one church you are talking about? You said "the mainstream christian churcheS" in your previous post which led me to believe that you were talking about more than just one particular church. Does every Christian in your area attend this one particular church?

I was not asking you to give out your friend's name. I don't want to know his name. I asked the name of the Chruch, not the name of your friend.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

I can see youre point so I will try and clarify. What I mean is whenver the pastor (or preacher) would speak he would speak as if God was so far high above us that we will never be able to even reach his feet to bow down too. I am not saying that we will ever be equal to God or at his exact level but the preacher just made it seem like it is no use to have a relationship with God becuse he is too far above us. Almost as if He can't even communicate with us spiritually. Now this could just be the preacher. I'm not sure if this clarifies it but Im doing the best I can at the moment.

God IS far above us. We are nothing compared to Him. That is what is so wonderful about the grace of Jesus. Sinnful creatures such as ourselves can still have a loving, close, meaningful relationship with a God that is so far above us that we don't deserve that love or relationship but He still gives it to us.

I don't know for sure because I have not attended the church you are talking about BUT it could be that what you are thinking is the pastor saying that man can not have a relationship with God is actually the pastor pointing out how all mighty and all powerful God actually is.

 

[Apex]

So this is just one church you are talking about? You said "the mainstream christian churcheS" in your previous post which led me to believe that you were talking about more than just one particular church.

I also said that this probally changes from church to church. My friend belives the same thing about their mom's church as well, if you want another example.

I asked the name of the Chruch, not the name of your friend.

If you want the exact name of it, it is "New Vision Baptist Church". I was trying to not post its exact name for I did not want to point fingers but if you really want the name there it is.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

I also said that this probally changes from church to church. My friend belives the same thing about their mom's church as well, if you want another example.


If you want the exact name of it, it is "New Vision Baptist Church". I was trying to not post its exact name for I did not want to point fingers but if you really want the name there it is.

Baptist are HUGE on having a relationship with God. They are also very big on stregnthening that relationship through Bible study.

What do you mean that your friend "believes the same thing about their mom's church as well"? Do you mean that your friend thinks his mom's church teaches that one can't have a relationship with God?

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Apex, I also wanted to ask one more thing. Did you attend this one church inparticular when you were not lds? The reason I ask is that it is very uncommon for a true believing lds person to attend a non-lds service "many times".

 

[Apex]

Baptist are HUGE on having a relationship with God. They are also very big on stregnthening that relationship through Bible study.

Then it is most likley just the pastor.

What do you mean that your friend "believes the same thing about their mom's church as well"? Do you mean that your friend thinks his mom's church teaches that one can't have a relationship with God?

Its not that they teach or meen that, its just that the idea that they convey is that, although I think it is unintentional that they do this.

 

[Apex]

Apex, I also wanted to ask one more thing. Did you attend this one church inparticular when you were not lds? The reason I ask is that it is very uncommon for a true believing lds person to attend a non-lds service "many times".

No I attended this church as a member. I have been a member all my life. Although when I attended I was a little inactive but I began to study the Bible and Book of Mormon and became active again. And it is not that uncommon for members to attend other churches. My sister attends many different churches with her freinds. And she is a big time true believing member.

 

[Jason of Wyoming]

Which ironically is not a Biblical concept but an extra-biblically created one.

I don't believe that's a valid argument. It IS a Biblical concept, but not clearly defined in the Bible. You may even argue that it's an extra-Biblical concept, but that doesn't make it anti-Biblical.

Since this is the most "chiefest" reason Christians falsely exclude LDS from being Christian, it's simply a non-tenable reason, especially when some early Orthodox Church Fathers had the same views as LDS as to the Nature of God but were still considered "Christian".

Which orthodox fathers?

 

[happyinhisgrace]

No I attended this church as a member. I have been a member all my life. Although when I attended I was a little inactive but I began to study the Bible and Book of Mormon and became active again. And it is not that uncommon for members to attend other churches. My sister attends many different churches with her freinds. And she is a big time true believing member.

I would disagree with you. It is not common for true believing lds to attend non-lds services very much or often. I have known of lds missionaries to attend a christian service at the request of an investigator, or lds members to attend baptisms or other functions at christian churches because a friend or family member attends those churches and they are going for that particular function. However, for a true believing lds person to just attend non-lds services for the sake of it.... nope, not common at all.

In fact, I would dare say that true believing lds parents would experience irregular heartbeats if their child wanted to attend non-lds churches quite a bit.

 

[CrownCaster]

as for "God having sex with Mary", you need to stop watching the god makers.

The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father: we use the term lawful Wife, because it would be blasphemous in the highest degree to say that He overshadowed her or begat the Savior unlawfully. (Orson Pratt, The Seer, page 158)



SON OF GOD: God the Father is a perfected, glorified, holy Man, an immortal Personage. And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the son of God, and that designation means what it says.—Bruce R. McKonkie



ONLY BEGOTTEN SON: These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only, begotten means begotten, and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in He same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers. Bruce R. McKonkie

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that same Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He begotten by the Holy Ghost" (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.7).

"Now, we are told in scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father ...Jesus is the only person who had our Heavenly Father as the father of his body" (Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, Joseph F. Smith, pp.125,126).

 

[Apex]

I would disagree with you. It is not common for true believing lds to attend non-lds services very much or often. I have known of lds missionaries to attend a christian service at the request of an investigator, or lds members to attend baptisms or other functions at christian churches because a friend or family member attends those churches and they are going for that particular function. However, for a true believing lds person to just attend non-lds services for the sake of it.... nope, not common at all.

In fact, I would dare say that true believing lds parents would experience irregular heartbeats if their child wanted to attend non-lds churches quite a bit.

Are you Mormon? I have been LDS my entire life, I grew up in Utah. It is not irregular, nor will parents suffer iregular heart beats if their children attend another church with a friend.

 

[ST:DS9]

In fact, I would dare say that true believing lds parents would experience irregular heartbeats if their child wanted to attend non-lds churches quite a bit.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Are you Mormon? I have been LDS my entire life, I grew up in Utah. It is not irregular, nor will parents suffer iregular heart beats if their children attend another church with a friend.

I was Mormon for 28 years and I also grew up in Utah. You aren't even as old as the number of years that I was lds, nor are you an lds parent.

It is NOT common and it IS irregular, especially in Utah. You aren't fooling me one little bit, little man.

 

[Apex]

I was Mormon for 28 years and I also grew up in Utah. You aren't even as old as the number of years that I was lds, nor are you an lds parent.

It is NOT common and it IS irregular, especially in Utah. You aren't fooling me one little bit, little man.

Ok enough with the little man stuff, and mabey the LDS you knew thought that it was irregular but the LDS that I know where I live know (which isnt Utah) will not skip a heart beat if their kids go with a friend to another church. And personally I dont see the point to this.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Ok enough with the little man stuff, and mabey the LDS you knew thought that it was irregular but the LDS that I know where I live know (which isnt Utah) will not skip a heart beat if their kids go with a friend to another church. And personally I dont see the point to this.

"Apex" (cough cough), you said you grew up in Utah but don't live there now. You are only 17, you haven't even grown up yet. How many years did you "grow up in Utah" if you are only 17 now and don't live in Utah anymore? I think you are telling tall tales.

 

[Swart]

I was Mormon for 28 years and I also grew up in Utah. You aren't even as old as the number of years that I was lds, nor are you an lds parent.

It is NOT common and it IS irregular, especially in Utah. You aren't fooling me one little bit, little man.

Enough of the ad hominem attacks!

I for one believe a person's stature is governed more by their conduct and behaviour than the number of years they have been strutting around this Earth.

I suggest you take the brow-beating bully-boy tactics somewhere else.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Enough of the ad hominem attacks!

I for one believe a person's stature is governed more by their conduct and behaviour than the number of years they have been strutting around this Earth.

I suggest you take the brow-beating bully-boy tactics somewhere else.

Quick to back up the lds, slow to realize the same behavior in your own "brothers of the lds gospel".

 

[Swart]

Quick to back up the lds, slow to realize the same behavior in your own "brothers of the lds gospel".

Tu quoque.

Besides, you don't know how many of my "brothers in the Gospel" I have burned in a PM.

I know from correspondence with other OCs here that have done that on a regular basis with with other OCs.

Oh, and yes I HAVE publicly criticised soem LDS posters here. However, I don't read every thread and drop most threads that seem to have the same predictable cast of characters. Also, I am loath to criticise anyone publicly, it is a very rare thing for me to do and requires an extremely offensive post for me to take such action.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Tu quoque.

Besides, you don't know how many of my "brothers in the Gospel" I have burned in a PM.

I know from correspondence with other OCs here that have done that on a regular basis with with other OCs.

Oh, and yes I HAVE publicly criticised soem LDS posters here. However, I don't read every thread and drop most threads that seem to have the same predictable cast of characters. Also, I am loath to criticise anyone publicly, it is a very rare thing for me to do and requires an extremely offensive post for me to take such action.

Ok, so I guess that mean you don't accept my apology. Oh well, I tried.

 

[CrownCaster]

Apex- Hi, how ya doin? I posted a reply with many quotes by some of the LDS leaders to your saying that there was not teaching of a physical union between God and Mary. I would like to discuss that. Have you had a chance to read it yet? Thanks.