LDS More False Doctrine Right There in LDS Scripture!

[Jane_Doe]

*Responce edited to be more charitable*

Hi Jane,

Love according to the bible isn't what popular culture, or even our religious communities these days have made it out to be.

Hebrews 12:6-7

For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives

If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?

Gods love not only comforts, it also chastens. And for us, we aren't loving God just by having positive feelings about Him. The bible spells out clearly that love to God is to obey His commands. We are also commanded in the bible to preach the word:

2 Timothy 4:2

Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching

It would be the least loving thing that I could do to spare your feelings and say that you have a relationship with Jesus Christ, when you don't. It would actually be wicked of me to say that to you.

Thesunisout, would you like me to tell you that you are a devil worshiper? That the experience at your baptism was imaginary? That you should give up your "childish" faith in Christ because I said so? That you're "trapped" in your horrible faith? That you don't really know Christ in the first place? That, I, a stranger on the internet know more about your faith than you do?

I can't tell you any of those things, because that would be lying. But you have treated me that exact horrible way. You don't know the basics of my faith, you don't know me, and you're making judgements off of nothing. No, my faith in Christ is not childish, I'm not trapped. I'm here as a well educated woman convected of the Holy Spirit. You seemly don't want to see that- you seemingly don't want to see me.

We also aren't talking about theological differences. Mormons use the same words as Christians do, but they have entirely different meanings. When I talk about God the Father I am talking about the eternal and only true God. When you talk about God the Father you are talking about an exalted man from the planet Kolob. These are not apples and oranges, these are apples and ottomans.

This paragraph and others in your post are very inaccurate to actual LDS beliefs. I'm guessing that you are very unfamiliar with LDS beliefs? Have you ever attended an LDS service?

The last time I attended a mainstream Christian service was 3 different ones in December. I had scheduled another in January, but logistics fell through. In February I'll be attending a Methodist service for the baptism of my niece .

You are trapped in false religion Jane, with just enough Jesus to make you comfortable but not enough to save your soul. I am loving you by saying that, not hating you or insulting you.

I'm sorry, but this post is devoid of love. You do not know the first thing about me-- more than that, you blatantly deny the very core of who I am. You're trying to replace the actual me with some doll you're imagining. That's not an act of love at all! You cannot love a person you refuse to see. Nor can you pray for the salvation of a person you blatantly refuse to see.

If you want to get to know me, I welcome that. But I am not this doll you are imagining, and I do not welcome being treated in such away.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Just looking at James 1:5 and looking at the context:

1. "James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad, greetings.
2. Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,
3. knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
4. And let endurance have its perfect result, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
5. But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all men generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
6. But let him ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea driven and tossed by the wind.
7. For let not that man expect that he will receive anything from the Lord,
8. being a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways."

This is not about asking for wisdom about Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. It is about the Jewish converts going through trials. The application is about asking for wisdom through trials of faith.

So I'm gathering that you think this section of the Bible doesn't apply to you?
That you can't ask God for wisdom? Why not? Do you think God is mute?

You seem against the idea that God still speaks to men. Are you?

 

[Ironhold]

And the free masonary,

All known about.

the lies,

[citation needed]

do you know some of the ages of his youngest wives when he married them?

We know.

Was about his death, why did he have a gun?

Some of the members of the church at the time rightly believed that the militia assigned to guard the prison where he was being held wouldn't do their jobs if armed resistance attempted to breach the facility. Sure enough, when the mob came, the guards discharged their weapons into the air and fled.

Really, this is all stuff we've known about for years or even decades. You're not breaking any new ground here.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Maybe we can apply 1 Thesis 5:21 to some of Joseph Smiths beliefs...

It this list you posted of your original compilation-- aka did you go out and gather each source on this list by yourself? If not, then you are plagiarizing someone else's work-- aka stealing. Simply including the citation would avoid this issue.

Also, none of the sources you cited are actually scripture or official statements of LDS beliefs.

I know that Mormons get very upset when we say they they follow a cult

Yes, LDS folks do get annoyed when people lie. If you want to say "but LDS are cult", please show me so in an actual dictionary.

 

[withwonderingawe]

And the free masonary, the lies, do you know some of the ages of his youngest wives when he married them? Was about his death, why did he have a gun?

“And the free masonry”

I think most people who know something about the Masons agree that Joseph borrowed some symbols from them to use in the Temple but they do not have the same meanings. There is the odd truth that some of the ceremony which are similar he had worked out before he became a Mason and there seem to be no known reason why. The Temple ceremony has been developed and changed over the years, even in my life time I’ve seen some major changes. It’s not about the symbols but about the covenants made.

My great uncle was a Mason, good man and nothing evil about him.

“the lies”

What lies?

“the ages of his youngest wives”

Yes I know. There is no evidence that he ever slept with them. Did you know he was also sealed to men, and he was not gay! My husband’s great great grandfather was sealed to his mother in law and no he wasn’t sleeping with her. There was this idea of families being sealed to each other, the Kimball family was sealed to the Smith family through the sealing of their daughter to Joseph. It was an odd thought and today we don’t fully understand what they were thinking.

The evidence with the youngest one Helen Mar Kimball has two parts to it, she was sealed to him when she was 14, he went home and she lived with her parents. When she was about 17 she wanted to go to a dance but her father had to remind her she was sealed to Joseph, I guess it took her back a little because she had never thought of him as a husband. If they were having sex she would have understood. On the second point years and years later there was a court battle between two different factions of Mormonism over some land in Missouri. For some reason they needed to prove Joseph was a polygamist and they summoned a number of woman to give testimony to their relationship with Joseph. They only wanted those who had slept with him as a wife. They did not ask for Helen because she could not give that kind of testimony.

It wasn’t until 1919 and a new revelation given to President Joseph F. Smith which explained more fully what the sealings were about and how we were to seal families by generations.

D&C 138 compare to Mal 4:5-6
“46 Malachi, the prophet who testified of the coming of Elijah—of whom also Moroni spake to the Prophet Joseph Smith, declaring that he should come before the ushering in of the great and dreadful day of the Lord—were also there.
47 The Prophet Elijah was to plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to their fathers,
48 Foreshadowing the great work to be done in the temples of the Lord in the dispensation of the fulness of times, for the redemption of the dead, and the sealing of the children to their parents, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse and utterly wasted at his coming.

In the New Testament there is this in Eph 1 & 3
“… in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him….According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:….For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named..”


Was about his death, why did he have a gun?

So he had a gun, someone smuggled it into him. It was a little pepperbox and his brother had a single shot pistol you can see them in the museum in Salt Lake City.

There were two hundred men running around with guns and they were cornered in a room with two small guns and two walking sticks and with no way out. There was some confusion as to whether Joseph shot anyone. According to the story although it was a six shot it only shot three times and the mob was packed to tightly in the hall he had to hit someone. But, no one seems to have died from their wounds, instead they were indicted. Hyrum never got a chance to use his for he was holding the door shut when a bullet went through the door and hit him in the face.

Does it bother you that a mortal man would fight for his life and the lives of his friends? There were two other men in that room, John Taylor who was shot four time but survived to later became the prophet after Young. And, Willard Richards who remained unharmed as bullets sailed around him.

 

[Rescued One]

And I would say that it is pure mainstream Christianity arrogance to declare that mormons don't know Christ. The name of our church is not the church of Peter. It's name is not Calvinism or penticostal or Methodist. It is the church of Jesus Christ. Even with your experiences the only thing you Christ. That is all you know. There is much more to know about the truths he taught. God told me that Joseph smith and the book or Mormon are what we say they are.

Nor is it St. George Temple or Washington Ward or Colorado Springs Ward or a stake center.

God told me to flee the false teachings of Mormonism. Mormons worship two gods. I worship One.

It is pointless for you to call Christians arrogant.

If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1979, p. 670

The only principle upon which they judge me [Joseph Smith] is by comparing my acts with the foolish traditions of their fathers and nonsensical teachings of hireling priests, whose object and aim were to keep the people in ignorance for the sake of filthy lucre; or as the prophet says, to feed themselves, not the flock.
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Deseret Book, 1977, p. 315

 

[Jane_Doe]

Nor is it St. George Temple or Washington Ward or Colorado Springs Ward or a stake center.

None of those are the Church name. They are names of locations.

Mormons worship two gods.

Incorrect.

 

[Ironhold]

Nor is it St. George Temple or Washington Ward or Colorado Springs Ward or a stake center.

God told me to flee the false teachings of Mormonism. Mormons worship two gods. I worship One.

It is pointless for you to call Christians arrogant.

If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1979, p. 670

The only principle upon which they judge me [Joseph Smith] is by comparing my acts with the foolish traditions of their fathers and nonsensical teachings of hireling priests, whose object and aim were to keep the people in ignorance for the sake of filthy lucre; or as the prophet says, to feed themselves, not the flock.
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Deseret Book, 1977, p. 315

Got anything from a church-sanctioned work?

 

[withwonderingawe]

Maybe we can apply 1 Thesis 5:21 to some of Joseph Smiths beliefs:


"God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil--all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . " (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409). Click here to see this quote in context.

Please let us know if we are wrong about Joseph Smith?

I love this quote;
“"God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil--all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . " (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409). Click here to see this quote in context.”

Really funny how they managed to stop that quote just at the point where Joseph is about to explain himself, but we’ll get to that in a moment.

The first time I read it I was aghast, I had never read anything like it before and of course I read it in an anti Mormon pamphlet. So I hurried down to my neighborhood library to look it up.

Let’s set this up, he had just been released once again from jail on an attempt to drag him off to Missouri, it’s that writ of habeas corpus I mentioned earlier. And yes he was a little frustrated, he gets up and starts with “the 11th Chap. II Corinthians” so let’s take a look at that.

“Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me….. I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little. That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also. For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise….”

And then Joseph says

“ My object is to let you know that I am right here on the spot where I intend to stay. I, like Paul, have been in perils, and oftener than anyone in this generation. As Paul boasted, I have suffered more than Paul did. I should be like a fish out of water, if I were out of persecutions. Perhaps my brethren think it requires all this to keep me humble. The Lord has constituted me so curiously that I glory in persecution. I am not nearly so humble as if I were not persecuted. ..”

So then Joseph was speaking as a fool, he was joking with the crowed and having a good time. He does a little more light hearted boasting and then makes the comment you quoted, out of context I might add.

So let look at the claim

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . " (just 18 more words and his boasting would have made sense)

The whole claim for the existence of the LDS Church is that the early church went into apostasy.

It says of the followers of Jesus

John 6; 66 ¶From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

And Paul complained to Timothy
2 Timothy 1:15
This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me;

James lamented
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

Peter warned
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

And speaking of Paul’s writings

“They that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.” 2Peter 3

So there were some who had left the fold and he’s trying to hold on to these he’s writing to.

And John who wrote a bit about the anti Christ which was already working in their mist wrote;

3 John
“ 9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church”

So each of these men experience members leaving the Church or no longer following them.

Now Joseph said;
“ A large majority of the whole have stood by me… the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . "

So let’s back up time wise and go back to March of 1839. Joseph, his brother Hyrum, Sidney Rigdon, Lyman Wight and Alexander McRae had been sitting in a pit called Liberty Jail since December. It was basically a hole in the ground with a building over the top. The only way in or out was through a trap door. There was no toilet except for a bucket and no light except that which came through the cracks in the walls.

In the mean time the Church members had been run out of their homes, they were living along the banks of the Mississippi river in tents and huts all the way through the winter. Women had been raped and men murdered, there was a bloody trail leaving Missouri. In this time of trial and despair Joseph wrote down a prayer and then the answer he received.

1 O God, where art thou? And where is the pavilion that covereth thy hiding place?

2 How long shall thy hand be stayed, and thine eye, yea thy pure eye, behold from the eternal heavens the wrongs of thy people and of thy servants, and thine ear be penetrated with their cries?

3 Yea, O Lord, how long shall they suffer these wrongs and unlawful oppressions, before thine heart shall be softened toward them, and thy bowels be moved with compassion toward them?

4 O Lord God Almighty, maker of heaven, earth, and seas, and of all things that in them are, and who controllest and subjectest the devil, and the dark and benighted dominion of Sheol—stretch forth thy hand; let thine eye pierce; let thy pavilion be taken up; let thy hiding place no longer be covered; let thine ear be inclined; let thine heart be softened, and thy bowels moved with compassion toward us.

5 Let thine anger be kindled against our enemies; and, in the fury of thine heart, with thy sword avenge us of our wrongs.

6 Remember thy suffering saints, O our God; and thy servants will rejoice in thy name forever.

The Lord answered him this way;

7 My son, peace be unto thy soul; thine adversity and thine afflictions shall be but a small moment;

8 And then, if thou endure it well, God shall exalt thee on high; thou shalt triumph over all thy foes.

9 Thy friends do stand by thee, and they shall hail thee again with warm hearts and friendly hands.

10 Thou art not yet as Job; thy friends do not contend against thee, neither charge thee with transgression, as they did Job.

Even through all of this suffering his friends stood by him, so when he said “A large majority of the whole have stood by me..” he was revering to this prayer.

Now the part of his speach which CARM did not give you;

“….The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet. You know my daily walk and conversation. I am in the bosom of a virtuous and good people…”

Why was he able to keep the church together because they his followers were “a virtuous and good people” , he took all of that boasting and laid it at their feet.

He went on to say;

“I am innocent of all these charges, and you can bear witness of my innocence, for you know me yourselves. ….I can go to the cross—I can lay down my life; but don't forsake me. I want the friendship of my brethren.—Let us teach the things of Jesus Christ. Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a downfall.

Be meek and lowly, upright and pure; render good for evil, …. As I grow older, my heart grows tenderer for you.. . I love you for your reception of me. …I have nothing in my heart but good feelings.”

Now I hope this shows you not to trust most of the anti Mormon material that you may see out there especially from CARM.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Now I hope this shows you not to trust most of the anti Mormon material that you may see out there especially from CARM.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[thesunisout]

Thesunisout, would you like me to tell you that you are a devil worshiper? That the experience at your baptism was imaginary? That you should give up your "childish" faith in Christ because I said so? That you're "trapped" in your horrible faith? That you don't really know Christ in the first place? That, I, a stranger on the internet know more about your faith than you do?

I can't tell you any of those things, because that would be lying. But you have treated me that exact horrible way. You don't know the basics of my faith, you don't know me, and you're making judgements off of nothing. No, my faith in Christ is not childish, I'm not trapped. I'm here as a well educated woman convected of the Holy Spirit. You seemly don't want to see that- you seemingly don't want to see me.

I'm sorry if I was unkind in my words. I am not trying to offend you or say you are less than I am, Jane. Christ saved me in the same exact situation. I am also not denying you are a person worthy of respect and love, created in the image of God, someone that He made with a plan in mind. You are definitely someone worthy of Gods love and my love and respect. I am denying that Joseph Smith was a prophet and that his writings were inspired by God. I understand that could hurt you because your whole life is based on that idea. Again, I have to tell you that it wouldn't be loving for me to pretend that it is fine to believe what you believe if it isn't true.

This paragraph and others in your post are very inaccurate to actual LDS beliefs. I'm guessing that you are very unfamiliar with LDS beliefs? Have you ever attended an LDS service?

Are you telling me that Mormons don't believe God the Father used to be a man and lived on a planet called Kolob?

The last time I attended a mainstream Christian service was 3 different ones in December. I had scheduled another in January, but logistics fell through. In February I'll be attending a Methodist service for the baptism of my niece

That's great, I am glad you are attending church. I will be praying the Lord will speak to you there.

I'm sorry, but this post is devoid of love. You do not know the first thing about me-- more than that, you blatantly deny the very core of who I am. You're trying to replace the actual me with some doll you're imagining. That's not an act of love at all! You cannot love a person you refuse to see. Nor can you pray for the salvation of a person you blatantly refuse to see.

If you want to get to know me, I welcome that. But I am not this doll you are imagining, and I do not welcome being treated in such away.

I am not trying to hurt you or make this personal. I wish someone would have been able to explain to me what I am trying to explain to you when I was lost. I do not have any animosity towards you, and I am not trying to paint you into a corner. I don't pretend to know you, all I do know is that you're a mormon. I love mormons, but I don't love your religion because what we believe matters, and has eternal significance. I cannot be silent on that because I do care about you, and I don't want you to die in your sins and face judgment. I hope you can try to understand that.

 

[Jane_Doe]

I am also not denying you are a person worthy of respect and love, created in the image of God, someone that He made with a plan in mind. You are definitely someone worthy of Gods love and my love and respect.

*You* are just denying me any respect or love.

I am denying that Joseph Smith was a prophet and that his writings were inspired by God.

That's fine, you're welcome to your opinion.

I understand that could hurt you because your whole life is based on that idea.

That is a false and arrogant assumption on your part.

Again, I have to tell you that it wouldn't be loving for me to pretend that it is fine to believe what you believe if it isn't true.

You don't know the first thing about my beliefs and are arrogantly pretending to make a righteous judgement.

Are you telling me that Mormons don't believe God the Father used to be a man and lived on a planet called Kolob?

No. Pretty much every statement you have made about LDS beliefs has been false.

I notice you didn't respond to my question about whether or not you've attended LDS service. I take it the answer is "no"?

That's great, I am glad you are attending church. I will be praying the Lord will speak to you there.

I don't visit out of interest to convert- in fact my time there convinces me more thoroughly that the LDS Church is Christ's Church. I visit because I do love people and want to see what they believe and respect them.

I am not trying to hurt you or make this personal.

You think you can pretend someone doesn't have a relationship with Christ and have that not be a personal jab? No. To insult a person's relationship with Christ is to attack the very fiber of their being. To pretend that someone doesn't exist and try to replace them with an imaginary doll is extremely disrespectful.

I wish someone would have been able to explain to me what I am trying to explain to you when I was lost.

You're falsely and arrogantly assuming I am lost. If you want to listen, I will happily tell you about my relationship with Christ.

I don't pretend to know you, all I do know is that you're a mormon.

You're using a blind labeling as your justification for your actions here? Really???
This is another example of you trying to replace me with an imaginary doll.

I love mormons,

No. You can't love someone you refuse to see.

I cannot be silent on that because I do care about you

You don't care about me at all. You still refuse to even see me.

I cannot be silent on that because I do care about you, and I don't want you to die in your sins and face judgment.

You're blindly and arrogantly assuming you know anything about my eternal fate when you literally don't know the the first thing about me (well actually, you do and then insulted it by pretending it doesn't exist).



Thesunisout, if you would like to listen, I will joyfully tell you about my very real relationship with Jesus Christ. Are you interested in that?

 

[thesunisout]

Thesunisout, if you would like to listen, I will joyfully tell you about my very real relationship with Jesus Christ. Are you interested in that?

I'm actually going to end the conversation here. Take care, I hope you have a good day

 

[Jane_Doe]

I'm actually going to end the conversation here. Take care, I hope you have a good day

To you as well

 

[Jane_Doe]

I'm actually going to end the conversation here. Take care, I hope you have a good day

I apologize for my cutting tone in post 112. It was wrong of me to loose my temper thus. If you would like, I can delete the post.

 

[thesunisout]

I apologize for my cutting tone in post 112. It was wrong of me to loose my temper thus. If you would like, I can delete the post.

It's okay, I forgive you Jane_Doe. Take care

 

[SkyWriting]

Men don't become angels or Gods.

It says so, right here:

19.... And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife.....
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.
Doctrine and Covenants 132

 

[fatboys]

Nor is it St. George Temple or Washington Ward or Colorado Springs Ward or a stake center.

God told me to flee the false teachings of Mormonism. Mormons worship two gods. I worship One.

It is pointless for you to call Christians arrogant.

If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1979, p. 670

The only principle upon which they judge me [Joseph Smith] is by comparing my acts with the foolish traditions of their fathers and nonsensical teachings of hireling priests, whose object and aim were to keep the people in ignorance for the sake of filthy lucre; or as the prophet says, to feed themselves, not the flock.
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Deseret Book, 1977, p. 315

So how did god manifest this knowledge to you?

 

[Jane_Doe]

It says so, right here:

19.... And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife.....
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.
Doctrine and Covenants 132

Do you not believe a disciple of Christ will become one with God and a joint heir with Christ?

 

[withwonderingawe]

Are you telling me that Mormons don't believe God the Father used to be a man and lived on a planet called Kolob?

Kolob is a sun and He lives nigh unto it, I think most believe it's somewhere near the center of our galaxy. It really is kind of a speculation pulled together from several different passages and comments of Joseph Smith. Quoting John 5

"The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth"

He says God the Father was once a man as Jesus was, so there is this speculation that God the Father was a Messiah on another planet "far far away".

At the end of the millennium this earth will be celestialised and taken to be nigh unto Kolob also. We really don't know because not a lot has been written about it, like Paul we see through a glass darkly.