LDS More False Doctrine Right There in LDS Scripture!

[brightlights]

I was referring Abraham's faith being perfect. I'm not sure Phoebe's purpose in randomly posting other verses (or the original one).

But Abraham's faith was not perfect.

 

[withwonderingawe]

But Abraham's faith was not perfect.

How so?

Heb 11
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance,obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

 

[Rescued One]

Mormons teach that if a man meets the requirements and is sealed to more that one wife in a Mormon temple and remains faithful and obedient he can have those wives in the next life. Because Mormons aren't allowing polygamy on earth these days, if the man's first wife passes away before he does, he can be sealed to another woman also; he will then have two wives in the next life.

 

[truefiction1]

Mormons teach that if a man meets the requirements and is sealed to more that one wife in a Mormon temple and remains faithful and obedient he can have those wives in the next life. Because Mormons aren't allowing polygamy on earth these days, if the man's first wife passes away before he does, he can be sealed to another woman also; he will then have two wives in the next life.

Glad you were freed from that.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Glad you were freed from that.

Phoebe is misstating LDS beliefs.

The correct statement: LDS believe that the bounds between spouses and parent-child are not something disposable for just this life, but sacred for all eternities. Through the blood of Christ these unions will be preserved in and with Him through all time.

 

[DJItalianspur]

I'm not avoiding the question, I'm asking first if you want to LISTEN to the answer. If you want to listen, I'll spend the time typing up the answer, you can listen, and we're talk about it. If you don't want to listen, then me typing is a waste of your time and mine.

As I discussed previously I already acknowledge that Joseph Smith was a sinner and the effect that has on my faith.

Are you interested in listening to what I actually believe?
Are just interested in a "DJItalianspur is right and everyone else is wrong" soapbox?

I'm game for the first option, where we talk and listen to each other. The second option is a waste of time because neither of us will listen.

Can you explain (and I will listen) how we can tell if Joseph Smith is either a false prophet or a true prophet?

 

[dzheremi]

The correct statement: LDS believe that the bounds between spouses and parent-child are not something disposable for just this life, but sacred for all eternities. Through the blood of Christ these unions will be preserved in and with Him through all time.

"Through the blood of Christ", how? This clearly is not the same Christ Who told the Sadducees that in the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage (Mark 12:25).

The idea that people will remain or be married in heaven directly contradicts the words of Christ.

 

[DJItalianspur]

Well if a man did that then we would have to look to 1 John 2

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

Now if you are referring to Joseph Smith he did not commit adultery. The difference between being 'given' and 'taking'. There were Saul's wives who were given to David by the Prophet Nathan and then there was Uriah's wife who he took.

2 Sam 11 "And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; ..."

In every case I've read Joseph was in the situation where he was given a wife. With the exception of the first one all of his plural wives happened within the the last 3 years of his life. With his first plural wife her parents gave her to him, he got such a backlash from those around him he released her from the vow and she married someone else. We don't know how his wife Emma really felt about it because she never spoke about the marriage. Then 3 years before he died he was commanded once again to begin plural marriage. He didn't try to woo them, no romance at all. He would teach the doctrine to a small group of people and then ask for a hand in marriage from parents or a brother. They would pray about it together with the women involved who could say no and then she would be given in marriage. His second plural wife was given by her brother, there does seem to be some sexual relationship however there were no children. She later married Brigham Young and had five children all of whom died and then she died at the age of 35 from breast cancer. Joseph married Brigham Young's 56 year old widowed sister and Brigham did the sealing. There is no evidence of a sexual relationship between them. Today she would have been sealed to her husband who had passed away. Each marriage has it's story, some for were for time and eternity mean in this life so they would have had sexual relationships. However a good many of them were for Eternity only which meant there was no sexual relationship. With all the DNA studies which have been done they have not found one single child that they can claim came from one of these marriages.

What is the difference (given or taken) if you have more than one wife?

If someone gives me something that is not mine or I take something that is not mine, it is not mine!

Joseph Smith should have repented straight away!
How many wife's did he have was it around 40?

The bible never shows adultery in good light - look at solomon and David, both Godly men but their down fall was their adultery. Solomon and David never claimed god commanded them to have many wives and also acknowledge this as sin.
Did Joseph Smith?
Again did Joseph Smith repent of this, or his lies, or his free masonary?

Can you identify a false prophet for me, so we can compare to Joseph Smith?

 

[DJItalianspur]

Yes.



I'm not sure what you are asking here.


+30,000 (including LDS). These groups disagree on such issues as:
How many books are in the Bible?
What extra-Biblical sources should be acknowledged as authoritative?
Does Christ have a personal representative here on the Earth, and if so who?
What is required for salvation?
And many others.

I'm going to be blunt here: I am not willing to discuss Islam today. I have friends whom are deeply affected by Mr. Trump's blind Islamophobia. I do not know if you exhibit Islamophobia too, but I'm not willing to risk it today. I'm shutting down any comments you might make in regards to Islam. It is just too much of a loaded painful topic right now.

How do you apply wisdom to determining how the Book of Mormon came into being, have you tested it according to the bible?

Let's not look at Muhammed then, let's look at any other False Prophet can you name one for comparison with Joseph Smith?

 

[DJItalianspur]

DJ; The difference is I don't think this is wasting time.


I would like to know if you would really like to hear the other side before I spend any more time answering your questions, they are good questions but why waste my time if you are not really interested in the answers.

Well I am interested in you answers, but some of the answers do not really deal with the questions.

I don't believe wild claims that someone is a prophet because they say they, this is going against the word of God, there is a criteria God gives us.

I understand it is very difficult to look at Joseph Smith and look for the good fruit in his life. Looking at his life and works it fails to meet biblecal standards.

Many mormons have not looked at this and are taught to get away from these type of questions fast. The answer, Jospeh Smith was not perfect and a sinner is not really the full truth. We need to carefully examine this mans life and his work and where the Book of Mormon came from, then we will be able to determine the truth.

The whole Mormon belief rests on the testimony of Joseph Smith. Let's not run away from this.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Correction to the title here: "Here is a random verse taken out of scriptural and theological context with zero writing done by the OP".

When, someone says it is out of context, just post the full chapter,

quote:

Section 132
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant and the principle of plural marriage. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, evidence indicates that some of the principles involved in this revelation were known by the Prophet as early as 1831. See Official Declaration 1.
1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing plural marriage are set forth.

1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines—

2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.

3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

5 For all who will have a blessing at my hands shall abide the law which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.

6 And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.

7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.

8 Behold, mine house is a house of order, saith the Lord God, and not a house of confusion.

9 Will I accept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name?

10 Or will I receive at your hands that which I have not appointed?

11 And will I appoint unto you, saith the Lord, except it be by law, even as I and my Father ordained unto you, before the world was?

12 I am the Lord thy God; and I give unto you this commandment—that no man shall come unto the Father but by me or by my word, which is my law, saith the Lord.

13 And everything that is in the world, whether it be ordained of men, by thrones, or principalities, or powers, or things of name, whatsoever they may be, that are not by me or by my word, saith the Lord, shall be thrown down, and shall not remain after men are dead, neither in nor after the resurrection, saith the Lord your God.

14 For whatsoever things remain are by me; and whatsoever things are not by me shall be shaken and destroyed.

15 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.

16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever.

18 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory.

22 For strait is the gate, and narrow the way that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the lives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

23 But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that where I am ye shall be also.

24 This is eternal lives—to know the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

25 Broad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the deaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they receive me not, neither do they abide in my law.

26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God.

27 The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which shall not be forgiven in the world nor out of the world, is in that ye commit murder wherein ye shed innocent blood, and assent unto my death, after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, saith the Lord God; and he that abideth not this law can in nowise enter into my glory, but shall be damned, saith the Lord.

28 I am the Lord thy God, and will give unto thee the law of my Holy Priesthood, as was ordained by me and my Father before the world was.

29 Abraham received all things, whatsoever he received, by revelation and commandment, by my word, saith the Lord, and hath entered into his exaltation and sitteth upon his throne.

30 Abraham received promises concerning his seed, and of the fruit of his loins—from whose loins ye are, namely, my servant Joseph—which were to continue so long as they were in the world; and as touching Abraham and his seed, out of the world they should continue; both in the world and out of the world should they continue as innumerable as the stars; or, if ye were to count the sand upon the seashore ye could not number them.

31 This promise is yours also, because ye are of Abraham, and the promise was made unto Abraham; and by this law is the continuation of the works of my Father, wherein he glorifieth himself.

32 Go ye, therefore, and do the works of Abraham; enter ye into my law and ye shall be saved.

33 But if ye enter not into my law ye cannot receive the promise of my Father, which he made unto Abraham.

34 God commanded Abraham, and Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham to wife. And why did she do it? Because this was the law; and from Hagar sprang many people. This, therefore, was fulfilling, among other things, the promises.

35 Was Abraham, therefore, under condemnation? Verily I say unto you, Nay; for I, the Lord, commanded it.

36 Abraham was commanded to offer his son Isaac; nevertheless, it was written: Thou shalt not kill. Abraham, however, did not refuse, and it was accounted unto him for righteousness.

37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.

38 David also received many wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me.

39 David’s wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord.

40 I am the Lord thy God, and I gave unto thee, my servant Joseph, an appointment, and restore all things. Ask what ye will, and it shall be given unto you according to my word.

41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man receiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy anointing, she hath committed adultery and shall be destroyed.

42 If she be not in the new and everlasting covenant, and she be with another man, she has committed adultery.

43 And if her husband be with another woman, and he was under a vow, he hath broken his vow and hath committed adultery.

44 And if she hath not committed adultery, but is innocent and hath not broken her vow, and she knoweth it, and I reveal it unto you, my servant Joseph, then shall you have power, by the power of my Holy Priesthood, to take her and give her unto him that hath not committed adultery but hath been faithful; for he shall be made ruler over many.

45 For I have conferred upon you the keys and power of the priesthood, wherein I restore all things, and make known unto you all things in due time.

46 And verily, verily, I say unto you, that whatsoever you seal on earth shall be sealed in heaven; and whatsoever you bind on earth, in my name and by my word, saith the Lord, it shall be eternally bound in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you remit on earth shall be remitted eternally in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you retain on earth shall be retained in heaven.

47 And again, verily I say, whomsoever you bless I will bless, and whomsoever you curse I will curse, saith the Lord; for I, the Lord, am thy God.

48 And again, verily I say unto you, my servant Joseph, that whatsoever you give on earth, and to whomsoever you give any one on earth, by my word and according to my law, it shall be visited with blessings and not cursings, and with my power, saith the Lord, and shall be without condemnation on earth and in heaven.

49 For I am the Lord thy God, and will be with thee even unto the end of the world, and through all eternity; for verily I seal upon you your exaltation, and prepare a throne for you in the kingdom of my Father, with Abraham your father.

50 Behold, I have seen your sacrifices, and will forgive all your sins; I have seen your sacrifices in obedience to that which I have told you. Go, therefore, and I make a way for your escape, as I accepted the offering of Abraham of his son Isaac.

51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to prove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.

52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.

53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been faithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.

55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundred-fold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal worlds.

56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid forgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to rejoice.

57 And again, I say, let not my servant Joseph put his property out of his hands, lest an enemy come and destroy him; for Satan seeketh to destroy; for I am the Lord thy God, and he is my servant; and behold, and lo, I am with him, as I was with Abraham, thy father, even unto his exaltation and glory.

58 Now, as touching the law of the priesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was Aaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that sent me, and I have endowed him with the keys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit sin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take Hagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


Looks like the OP, quoted it in context to me.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Can you explain (and I will listen) how we can tell if Joseph Smith is either a false prophet or a true prophet?

Ask God.
James 1:5-- "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."

 

[Jane_Doe]

When, someone says it is out of context, just post the full chapter,

Posting a gains wall of text is horrible forum manners. No one's going to read that. And this still does not address the greater theological context or give any reason for the OP's post.

 

[Jane_Doe]

The bible never shows adultery in good light - look at solomon and David, both Godly men but their down fall was their adultery. Solomon and David never claimed god commanded them to have many wives and also acknowledge this as sin.

That's adultery. Do you want to talk about adultery or polygamy? If you want to talk about polygamy, would you be interested in discussing whether you believe that Abraham and Jacob were horrible sinners?

How do you apply wisdom to determining how the Book of Mormon came into being, have you tested it according to the bible?

I previously answered this question in posts 20 and 52.

I don't believe wild claims that someone is a prophet because they say they, this is going against the word of God, there is a criteria God gives us.

You are welcome to that opinion.

Many mormons have not looked at this and are taught to get away from these type of questions fast.

This comment reeks of stereotyping willful ignorance.

The whole Mormon belief rests on the testimony of Joseph Smith. Let's not run away from this.

Your statement here is incorrect. You are trying to falsely pedestal (and then character assassinate) a man everyone here acknowledges as a sinner and should not be pedestaled in the first place. If you want to get to the core of LDS beliefs and what testimony it really rests on, let's talk about Christ and the Holy Spirit.

 

[brightlights]

How so?

Heb 11
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance,obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Abraham had faith. And, as Hebrews says, by faith he left Ur and ventured into the unknown. But his life was not pure faith. He also acted unfaithfully on many occasions - such as the episodes with foreign kings and his wife Sarai.

 

[withwonderingawe]

What is the difference (given or taken) if you have more than one wife?

If someone gives me something that is not mine or I take something that is not mine, it is not mine!

Joseph Smith should have repented straight away!
How many wife's did he have was it around 40?

The bible never shows adultery in good light - look at solomon and David, both Godly men but their down fall was their adultery. Solomon and David never claimed god commanded them to have many wives and also acknowledge this as sin.
Did Joseph Smith?
Again did Joseph Smith repent of this, or his lies, or his free masonary?

mmm you don't know the story of David all that well

"And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom,..." 2 Sam 12

And that was Joseph's question, Abraham had more than one, Jacob had 4 wives, Moses had more than one, David was given the wives of Saul by the prophet. The Law of Moses had a stipulation in where a brother would marry his dead brother's wife so she could have children, it was not considered adultery. You have to ask why the need to give the instructions that Bishops have one wife only? Did some of the men have more than one? There is no other reference in the New Testament about how many wives a man should have.

So why was it right and not adultery for Old Testament Prophets but not in the New Testament. If God does not change then why is there a change?

 

[withwonderingawe]

Abraham had faith. And, as Hebrews says, by faith he left Ur and ventured into the unknown. But his life was not pure faith. He also acted unfaithfully on many occasions - such as the episodes with foreign kings and his wife Sarai.

Oh you mean perfect righteousness, there is a little difference. Perfect faith takes time to develop, perhaps that's why he had to wait until he was an old man before he had his promised son. None of us is born with perfect faith, we become good and faithful servants.

 

[Rescued One]

Glad you were freed from that.

Yes, and one person kept telling me I was going to be his second wife.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Yes, and one person kept telling me I was going to be his second wife.

Such a person would be a...(*Jane looking for polite words*)... lacking in intelligence and knowledge of LDS doctrine.

 

[DJItalianspur]

mmm you don't know the story of David all that well

"And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom,..." 2 Sam 12

And that was Joseph's question, Abraham had more than one, Jacob had 4 wives, Moses had more than one, David was given the wives of Saul by the prophet. The Law of Moses had a stipulation in where a brother would marry his dead brother's wife so she could have children, it was not considered adultery. You have to ask why the need to give the instructions that Bishops have one wife only? Did some of the men have more than one? There is no other reference in the New Testament about how many wives a man should have.

So why was it right and not adultery for Old Testament Prophets but not in the New Testament. If God does not change then why is there a change?

What about 1 tim3:2? How many wives?

We are getting off the main point or my my point. Why do you believe Joseph Smith was a prophet?
Look at this

Deuteronomy 18:21-22 which reads as follows:

And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

I am sure you aware of his many prophecies that did not come true?
Are you from a Mormon family?