Moral motivation

[DarkProphet]

If your motivation to be a moral person is "a fear of God" or "to get to heaven" then are you truly a moral person?

 

[The Nihilist]

Morality is a lie created by the weak to protect them from the strong*. Your question has no meaning.







*not intended to include eudaimonism. I really want to drop that I've read Nichomachean Ethics, but I can't think of a subtle way to do it.

 

[Blackguard_]

Sociopathic responses aside, it depends on how much of morality you consider to be action and how much you consider to be intention.

What do you think the "truly" moral person do?

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What is "eudaimonism" Recoveringphilospher? I've heard "eudomonia" as the goal of the Stoics similar to the way ataraxia is the goal of the Epicureans. but I never read Nichomedean Ethics, so I don;t know if there's similarity or connection.

Would Utilitarianism also be an expcetion to your "morality is a tool of the weak" statement?

 

[ManOfTheAmish]

If your motivation to be a moral person is "a fear of God" or "to get to heaven" then are you truly a moral person?

My moral motivation is in returning to man's natural goodness that civilization corrupts.

The path of God is my guidance to that goodness.

I choose the path of naturality.

 

[ManOfTheAmish]

Morality is a lie created by the weak to protect them from the strong*. Your question has no meaning.







*not intended to include eudaimonism. I really want to drop that I've read Nichomachean Ethics, but I can't think of a subtle way to do it.

The so called strong are vain in their corruption,creations and artifacts.

 

[quatona]

If your motivation to be a moral person is "a fear of God" or "to get to heaven" then are you truly a moral person?

Why wouldn´t they?
Which concept of morality are you basing this question upon?

 

[The Nihilist]

The so called strong are vain in their corruption,creations and artifacts.

Behold the otherthrowing of valuation. You call what is good bad and what is bad good, and do so out of jealousy and resentment. You have made it a virtue to be no better than a slave, because you are not capable of being a master. This is why you turn the other cheek; because to do otherwise would result in a sound beating.
Less you than the early Christians, but I think you get the idea.

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

Behold the otherthrowing of valuation. You call what is good bad and what is bad good, and do so out of jealousy and resentment. You have made it a virtue to be no better than a slave, because you are not capable of being a master. This is why you turn the other cheek; because to do otherwise would result in a sound beating.
Less you than the early Christians, but I think you get the idea.

You sound like Nietzsche.

 

[The Nihilist]

Sociopathic responses aside, it depends on how much of morality you consider to be action and how much you consider to be intention.
What do you think the "truly" moral person do?
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What is "eudaimonism" Recoveringphilospher? I've heard "eudomonia" as the goal of the Stoics similar to the way ataraxia is the goal of the Epicureans. but I never read Nichomedean Ethics, so I don;t know if there's similarity or connection.
Would Utilitarianism also be an expcetion to your "morality is a tool of the weak" statement?

Sociopathic! Ha!
Ataraxia was the goal of the stoics, the epicurians, and I think maybe the skeptics, too. Eudaimonia is the goal of the Aristotelians, who have taken to calling themselves Eudaimonists. This is also called virtue ethics.

 

[ManOfTheAmish]

Behold the otherthrowing of valuation. You call what is good bad and what is bad good, and do so out of jealousy and resentment. You have made it a virtue to be no better than a slave, because you are not capable of being a master. This is why you turn the other cheek; because to do otherwise would result in a sound beating.
Less you than the early Christians, but I think you get the idea.

The true philosopher will transcend the materialistic spectrum of existance for they are better off than all others centering themselves in the hungry elite who prides themselves amongst the wealth of the earth.

What exactly is the worth of gold or a dollar?

The worth is only large to the extent that we give it in our dominionism and from ourselves brings much suffering on the world.

The true master is the one who masters his life and mind beyond the material world. Such idolizing of the materialistic pursuits is fitting for a slave in my opinion.

Turning the other cheek is the goal of most Christians but somtimes the sword is necessary too.

 

[The Nihilist]

The true philosopher will transcend the materialistic spectrum of existance for they are better off than all others centering themselves in the hungry elite who prides themselves amongst the wealth of the earth.

See him doing it again, Existence? He does not have access to what is real, so he praises what is not.

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

See him doing it again, Existence? He does not have access to what is real, so he praises what is not.

I dont exactly understand what hes trying to imply.

 

[ManOfTheAmish]

See him doing it again, Existence? He does not have access to what is real, so he praises what is not.

What exactly am I doing?

I see you supporting the subjugation,manipulation and suffering of man in your large supporting of abstracts.

 

[ManOfTheAmish]

I dont exactly understand what hes trying to imply.

What exactly have I said that was confusing?

 

[Blackguard_]

Sociopathic! Ha!

Well it is!

But seriously, that view doesn't seem to have any place for empathy. Or is empathy just something the weak have?

Ataraxia was the goal of the stoics, the epicurians, and I think maybe the skeptics, too. Eudaimonia is the goal of the Aristotelians, who have taken to calling themselves Eudaimonists. This is also called virtue ethics.

yeah, you're right about the Stoics.

What exactly am I doing?

Denigrating physical goods becasue you are too moral, and hence most likely too weak, to take them by force if necessary, to judge by RP's other posts.

I don't entirely disagree. Christians can act way too Dualistic at times. There's nothing wrong with physical wealth and goods. Many of the prominent figures in Christianity were rich such as Abraham and David. Job starts the book rich and ends the book even richer.

Also, keep it mind it was Judas Iscariot who complained about Mary wasting expensive perfume on Jesus.

 

[zoro222]

If your motivation to be a moral person is "a fear of God" or "to get to heaven" then are you truly a moral person?

The answer of course depends on your definition of “moral” and “person”. If by “moral” is meant (as I think it should mean) “using your brain as best you can” and if by “person” is meant an adult, then my answer to your question is “NO!”: only small children can be considered “moral” for clinging to beliefs in the absence of any evidence. For adults to believe in any god or the oxymoronic idea of “life after death” is the height of immorality (that is to say, stupidity).

 

[Blackguard_]

The answer of course depends on your definition of “moral” and “person”. If by “moral” is meant (as I think it should mean) “using your brain as best you can” and if by “person” is meant an adult, then my answer to your question is “NO!”: only small children can be considered “moral” for clinging to beliefs in the absence of any evidence. For adults to believe in any god or the oxymoronic idea of “life after death” is the height of immorality (that is to say, stupidity).

No, no, no. If morality is "using your brain as best you can" then the height of morality is to beleive in things with no proof ,such as God, and accept oxymoronic concepts such as life after death. This is becasue it is more difficult to do then only believing things with proof, which is very easy. Since when is "the best" seen in what is easy? The best thing is that which can accomplish the most difficult tasks. So the best use of the brain is to accpet difficult concepts, such as those without proof, and not to stick to the novice game of only believing what has proof. So being a Materialist Patternist is immoral becasue it is such an easy concept to understand and beleive, and hence can't be the best use of an organ used for understanding and holding concepts.

 

[zoro222]

The trouble is, some may think you're serious.

 

[Blackguard_]

I wasn't being serious.

 

[bigredline]

Morality is a lie created by the weak to protect them from the strong.

I prefer to think of it as a system of values that provide guidelines as to how to act correctly in society, so as not to be shunned or hated by those around you. Society dislikes immoral people because they are often disruptive.