Moon was Created

[futzman]

You know futzman, if we all accepted the same past state as absolutely true, then there would be no question about your claims, the Big Whack, Big Bang or any of this. The fundamental issue is the veracity of the science's account of things, because it is based on a mythical past. If you accept it as absolutely true and many of us don't, then we can argue for eternity and never reach agreement.


So, rather than blather on, and argue, you need to pony up big time here, the evidence for your so called science. You need to erase all spiritual as well, and limit the debate to only the natural. You can't do that. So, no need to argue at all. You already lost.

I've already "ponyed-up" many times on this forum for my "so-called" science. My most recent post showed conclusively how mutation and random selection works to produce clocks from clock parts, refuting one of the lame argument Creationist/IDists use as a strawman to "debunk" evolution. I noticed you didn't even attempt to debate this very strong evidence. But, then again, that would require following a logical train of thought when yours has obviously been derailed.

As far as the spirtual realm goes I'm a very spirtual person. I stand in awe of nature and it's processes and my awe increases the more I learn. My spirtuality, however, just doesn't include, nor need, an invisible, mythical being.

 

[FishFace]

And we all keep wandering through it here.

And treading in pony-poo.

 

[Wyzaard]

Thanks for admitting it. Some poor souls get too big for their little science britches.

Ummm... what sort of naturalist do you think that I am?

Some may not like the tiny bounds of the puny natural only???

What do your likes or dislikes have to do with this discussion? You do realize that by breaching the conventional boundaries of science and positing supernatural forces, you are admitting an INFINITE variety of contradictory metaphysical schemas into the mix, all with equally vapid justifications?

If they did, we would not be talking. A wave wiggle bouncing off heaven knows what is not what you claim here. Really. Get off your cloud, and get down to the nitty gritty, of putting the hard science where you mouth is.

The hard science (which does not admit supernatural forces) has already come in... and it says that the Earth's core is a particular physical substance, as per them wiggles.

 

[dad]

More of the same. Excuses, avoidance, smart alec answers you probably think are funny or make you look clever...

Do you ever wonder why nobody takes you seriously? Why not even other Christians, not even other YECs on this site defend you? It's because of posts like the above. Because not only do you fail to provide any support for your claims, but you are incapable of even discussing them rationally. At the first sign of requests for evidence, you go off into one of your rants, throwing out excuse after excuse, trying to shift the onus of proof, claiming proof where none exists and attacking positions others haven't even taken.

If you want to have any chance of actually convincing anyone of the truth of your opinions, you need to look at yourself, your attitude, and the way you 'debate'. On the other hand, if you want to continue the way you are, with everyone treating you as a joke, something between a troll and a nuisance, just keep going the way you have been.

When and if you show any signs of being able to actually rationally discuss your position, I'll resume conversation with you. Until then, I'm done with you. Have fun with your fantasies.

Well, there really are most men that believe in a spiritual, also a real history full of them, and a bible. Obviously you cannot begin to dispute any of it, and have no case on offer. You may bow out now, as gracefully as possible.

From the little blather blow here, I see you are leaving with more of a whimper, thatn a bow. Oh well, you offered nothing anyhow. Cheers.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Well, there really are most men that believe in a spiritual, also a real history full of them, and a bible. Obviously you cannot begin to dispute any of it, and have no case on offer. You may bow out now, as gracefully as possible.

Those people are wrong. The Bible is wrong. Can you prove a single claim of the spiritual?

 

[dad]

Ummm... what sort of naturalist do you think that I am?

How would I know? I simply noted something you admitted to. I sort of assume the kind that believes only in the natural, but you can illuminate us all about yourself here, if that needs a tweak.

What do your likes or dislikes have to do with this discussion? You do realize that by breaching the conventional boundaries of science and positing supernatural forces, you are admitting an INFINITE variety of contradictory metaphysical schemas into the mix, all with equally vapid justifications?

Doesn't matter, in the myth line up, the bible is a big boy. Your only power for the silly myths consisted of many actually believing they were somehow science!!! Once that dragon was slain, there is no fight left possible for such ridiculous tales as the big whack.
Put that, on it's own in the myth line up, and it goes into the back of the line as a joke.

The hard science (which does not admit supernatural forces) has already come in... and it says that the Earth's core is a particular physical substance, as per them wiggles.

The hard reality is that nothing hard has ever went to the beautiful forever foundations of this, the absolute center of all universes!!!! Your strange tales of what is down there are only based on absolute ignorance. All you have is hard denial!!! Hard myth, and hard to believe fables.

 

[dad]

No, you had it right -- they had no "spiritual" experience. It's all psychological.

Think that all you like. But a lot more things have went on in real history and the real world, than spin around your head.

I call them mistaken. I can't post what I'd call you.

True, you may not. Tough, eh?

Making you the single most credulous human being to ever walk this planet.

No, many realize that there is truth to the gods and spirits of history. Get out more.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Doesn't matter, in the myth line up, the bible is a big boy.

Agreed -- it's the biggest and most famous myth.

The hard reality is that nothing hard has ever went to the beautiful forever foundations of this, the absolute center of all universes!!!!

This is not reality, dad, it's only your own blather.

 

[dad]

See, dad, at least I'm reading something by someone else. That is what is called learning.

Wow, you read to? Great.

Homework is part of learning. It is part of a larger topic called discipline.

Hey, don't share too much info on your personal life here, this is a family site.

You have "the unexamined" where you stash all your fantasies and decree that inside this dark closet anything is possible, except that which threatens to shine a light in.

Calling light darkness and darkness light wears kinds thin after a while. Work on that.

You're a one-trick pony. And the sad thing is it actually utilizes the first part of a rather interesting philosophical issue. Only problem is, your "trick" is digesting this particular carrot and doing what all ponies ultimately do with carrots.

So, what is the carrot in your parable? The bible, and spiritual? And what is the interesting issue? A little hard to sift though the field of manure here, to find your little gem.

And we all keep wandering through it here.

Try posting something else?? Like about the topic, maybe? Or something other than whining about me?

 

[dad]

I've already "ponyed-up" many times on this forum for my "so-called" science.

So now you admit it is the so called science. Great. Progress is being made.

My most recent post showed conclusively how mutation and random selection works to produce clocks from clock parts, refuting one of the lame argument Creationist/IDists use as a strawman to "debunk" evolution.

Glad you made it somewhere else, where they seem to have been unable to trounce that baloney in a New York minute. Notice you didn't try it here. Clever.

I noticed you didn't even attempt to debate this very strong evidence. But, then again, that would require following a logical train of thought when yours has obviously been derailed.

Guess that is my cue to hunt down your thread?

As far as the spirtual realm goes I'm a very spirtual person. I stand in awe of nature and it's processes and my awe increases the more I learn. My spirtuality, however, just doesn't include, nor need, an invisible, mythical being.

Right, so you are spiritual by NOT believing in spirits. Got it. Quite clever, that.

 

[dad]

Agreed -- it's the biggest and most famous myth...
.

Thanks for that. So, watch out people, your only hope for your most absurd of all myths of man, is to pretend it is science. Too bad you cannot do that anymore unless you prove a same state future and past!!!!? That is the name of the game, and there can only be one winner.

 

[dad]

Those people are wrong. The Bible is wrong. Can you prove a single claim of the spiritual?

The bible is right, I checked out the prophesies. I know. I don't pretend to know. It is absolute.
The kingdom of God is within, that is where the evidence is. Not all men have it within, so they get no evidence, unless they have some other spirit within, or nearby, that makes them know at least the spiritual is real.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Thanks for that. So, watch out people, your only hope for your most absurd of all myths of man, is to pretend it is science. Too bad you cannot do that anymore unless you prove a same state future and past!!!!? That is the name of the game, and there can only be one winner.

And that winner ain't you. Blather = disqualification

 

[Nathan Poe]

The bible is right, I checked out the prophesies. I know. I don't pretend to know. It is absolute.

You checked it out? The problem with that is that clearly, your research skills are on the same level as Verne Troyer's slam-dunk skills.

You do pretend to know. It is blather.

The kingdom of God is within, that is where the evidence is. Not all men have it within, so they get no evidence, unless they have some other spirit within, or nearby, that makes them know at least the spiritual is real.

Oooo.. magic spirits! Cool!

 

[dad]

You checked it out? ..

Yes, I am one of the most people on earth that have reasons to believe.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Hey, don't share too much info on your personal life here, this is a family site.

Only Dad would equate academic discipline with something not fit for public consumption!

Calling light darkness and darkness light wears kinds thin after a while. Work on that.

Oooh, the "Work on that" command! When Dad doesn't understand a post this is his algorithm:

000 loop n=1 to infinity
001 select words from post Dad doesn't understand
002 place them in an unrelated sentence
003 command person to "work on that"
004 move along because someone might notice you don't undersand what you are are reading
004 next n

So, what is the carrot in your parable? The bible, and spiritual? And what is the interesting issue? A little hard to sift though the field of manure here, to find your little gem.

Wow! You really didn't get it did you? Is that your best come-back?

Oh my, dad, what is your reading level? You might want to "work on that" if you wish.

Try posting something else?? Like about the topic, maybe? Or something other than whining about me?

Well, I gotta whine about you, the docents at the group home clearly forgot to lock up the computer during that critical time before your meds come around!

 

[thaumaturgy]

Oooh, the "Work on that" command! When Dad doesn't understand a post this is his algorithm:

000 loop n=1 to infinity
001 select words from post Dad doesn't understand

Oops, I used the word "Infinity", I bet Dad comes back with a zinger like this:

"I don't care about your infinity and beyond! Buzz Lightyear! Work on that!"

or

"Infinity is something you can't talk about in your fishbowl PO, work on that!"

Oooh, I can't wait to see his insightful clever commentary! It will most assuredly include the word "infinity" or something about that!

 

[futzman]

So now you admit it is the so called science. Great. Progress is being made.

I was quoting you.

Glad you made it somewhere else, where they seem to have been unable to trounce that baloney in a New York minute. Notice you didn't try it here. Clever.

Here it is. Knock yourself out.

Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker

 

[dad]

Only Dad would equate academic discipline with something not fit for public consumption!

True, I see it as totally unfit, due to the fact that it is mostly fibs.

Well, I gotta whine about you,...

Really now. Guess that is all you can do, after my big whack attack. I understand.

the docents at the group home clearly forgot to lock up the computer during that critical time before your meds come around!

Hey, keep telling us your stories, now. That is science, after all. for many of you guys here.

 

[dad]

I was quoting you.

And you got it right.

Here it is. Knock yourself out.

Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker

I see it was a movie. You would need to say in your words what points in it you think are important. In case you do not know, I believe in evolution, in that it started at Eden, from created creatures. So, trying to prove things evolve is a no brainer. The trick is to try and take it beyond the garden, that you, and your movie, or anything else on earth cannot do.

There. That didn't take long. Lurkers note here, that he will not be able to do it, I guarantee it.