Nobody has ever denied that billions of people claim to have spiritual experiences. What you cannot do is provide any evidence that those experiences are actually of the spiritual.
No need to, the evidence is in the fact that it is experienced by them, not how we can verify that with science.
I am, indeed, ignorant of things beyond the natural,
Bingo thanks for that.
which is why I ask for evidence of their existence. Instead of providing any, the best you can do is "everyone knows!" Sorry, but that's not evidence - it's just argumentum ad populum.
What kind of evidence do you require? Precisely? Apparently actual witnesses observing stuff is just too frequent for your liking.
Argumentum ad populum is a fallacy. Sorry if you don't like that. But your not liking it won't make it untrue.
False, it is not a fallacy concerning things of the spirit, deal with it. The fallacy is trying to apply it there. Likey or lumpy.
There are no "tested and observed and evidenced spiritual things". If there were we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Of course there are, you just seem to require some unmentioned unspecified vague other type of evidence than observations of man, tested over time immemorial.
I have nowhere denied the reality of history or the experience of men.
Well then, address the moon god of Egypt, that is claimed by them to have built the pyramid? What was it, if not the spirit, or 'god', or super natural being?? And how can you support it? What was the resurrection of Jesus we saw? We, being Christians. You can't simply stick your fingers in your ears, cover your eyes, and say la la la la here. You may not dismiss the evidence!!! You are overruled.
I have nowhere insulted anything. I have asked you to evidence your claims. You have repeatedly gone to great lenghts to avoid doing so.
The bible is support, how do you like them apples?
I and many others have tested the bible and it failed.
Really? What test was that? Pretty vague. I mean if a million people get a shock, when they stick a finer in a lamp socket, and a few claim they don't, I have to ask if it was plugged in!
Certainly, the scripture could sail along as it has if its adherents were wrong (not liars), just as you (I assume) imagine other religious texts have done.
Not really. If it said Elijah did certain miracles, and that manna fell in the desert, and it was not based on reality, it would not be preserved as sacred. If we did not really see the virgin birth, and life and resurrection of the Messiah, the record would have fallen by the wayside. It was observed. We have the record. We know that record is true, and it was sealed in blood of real people that died for it.
Yet amazingly, none of these thousands and ten thousands of miracles can ever be produced in anything but the most shady circumstances.
The experience of most men through history is now 'shady'? Strange. Also false for much of it, like the bible, which was not done in a closet, but in the open light, seen by men. What nonsense.
As soon as anything approaching controlled conditions occur, these 'faith healers' fail dismally.
God controls the conditions, and other spirits, that result in spiritual experiences. It always has been totally controlled. You can forget about you controlling squat concerning the spiritual with science. That is only PO controlled.
I don't doubt that you believe you've seen many miracles; what you cannot do is evidence that they actually were miracles.
God evidences to man, and the experience is a spiritual experience. We, being physical men do not zap other men, normally, with some spiritual experience. We receive it. The sources are not physical. The physical pip squeak science cannot control it, or even so much as detect it!! Pitiful.
Lives are changed and prayers apparently answered all the time. It doesn't take any spiritual to do that.
You made a claim there. Prove it.
Not interested in what you think of science. We're discussing your claims, nobody else's.
No, my claims of a well known spiritual are gospel. Immutable. Absolute, known, a done deal. We are looking at your claims here, and what you think is the criteria of evidence. You just, for example said that no spiritual is required for a spiritual experience!!! Tell us what you think is!!???
Lots of books stand through time; the bible is nothing special in that regard. Its account cannot be changed (because that's what the book says; if you change it, it's no longer the bible), although interpretations of it can and are. Of course, it has been repeatedly challenged through the ages, so "it cannot be challenged" is simply false.
Another claim you make here. No one can challenge the account that the moon was created. Let's see you do it!! The best so called science has on offer now, is the crackpot story of the big whack!! That challenges nothing.
It may be irrelevant to your mysterious, minority criteria, whatever it may be! It is relevant to a thread about the moon. Focus.
