Moon it's own source of light

[lasthero]

I was wondering, do you believe in evolution.

Wow.

You know, I’ve seen some bold attempts to change the subject on this forum, but that’s got to be the most blatant ever. Not even subtle about it.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

That's not an adequate response to my objection.

The well-known fact that moonlight has completely different effects on growth and decay of organic matter than sunlight, inadequate? Ok I'll leave it there then.

 

[lasthero]

The well-known fact that moonlight has completely different effects on growth and decay of organic matter than sunlight, inadequate? Ok I'll leave it there then.

That’s not well known, nor is it a fact.

Find one scientific paper documenting this. Just one.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Earthshine has been measured for decades. The bright part of the moon is sunshine.
The dark glow from it's shadow is earth shine and is colored more blue, from the earth shining on it.

No, they're just ascribing it to earthshine without any proof. It's a classic example of begging the question/ assuming the consequent fallacy.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

That’s not well known, nor is it a fact.

Find one scientific paper documenting this. Just one.

You've got to be joking. Agriculture has always been governed by the moon. Just Google it, eg:
Why Do We Garden By The Moon? Farmers' Almanac

 

[SkyWriting]

No, they're just ascribing it to earthshine without any proof. It's a classic example of begging the question/ assuming the consequent fallacy.

 

[SkyWriting]

That’s not well known, nor is it a fact. Find one scientific paper documenting this. Just one.

Here you go:

Interference of moonlight with the photoperiodic measurement of time by plants, and their adaptive reaction
E Bünning, I Moser - … of the National Academy of Sciences, 1969 - National Acad Sciences
… disturbing effects of moonlight. This finding indicates that leaf movements have an adaptive value of the kind that Darwin sought to identify. It also indicates that the behavior of the upper leaf epidermis as a "sense organ for light"13 has an adaptive value. In the short-day plants …
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C Kyba, A Mohar, T Posch - Astron Geophys, 2017 - academic.oup.com
… seen increasing recognition and study of the effect of moonlight on plants and animals

- Does the Moon Affect Plants? Part 2: Moonlight and Biorhythms
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- Lunar influence on plants
W Schad - Earth-Moon Relationships, 2001 - Springer

- Influence of lunar cycles on growth of Ashwagandha (Withania somnifera [L.] Dunal)
SD Tavhare, K Nishteswar, VJ Shukla - Ayu, 2015 - ncbi.nlm.nih.gov




https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,50&q
=the effects of moonlight on plants

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Right, so a few fake CGI pics say what?

You know, all alleged moon landings were on the lit side of the moon, so no earthrise angle would ever occur, the earth should be overhead.

 

[lasthero]

You've got to be joking. Agriculture has always been governed by the moon. Just Google it, eg:
Why Do We Garden By The Moon? Farmers' Almanac

Did you even read that article? Not only is it mostly horoscope hookum, it doesn’t even say anything about the moon having magical rotting light.

 

[SkyWriting]

Right, so a few fake CGI pics say what?

You know, all alleged moon landings were on the lit side of the moon, so no earthrise angle would ever occur, the earth should be overhead.

Photos are not from landings. Earthrise is not the same thing as sunrise.

 

[A_Thinker]

Here you go:

Interference of moonlight with the photoperiodic measurement of time by plants, and their adaptive reaction
E Bünning, I Moser - … of the National Academy of Sciences, 1969 - National Acad Sciences
… disturbing effects of moonlight. This finding indicates that leaf movements have an adaptive value of the kind that Darwin sought to identify. It also indicates that the behavior of the upper leaf epidermis as a "sense organ for light"13 has an adaptive value. In the short-day plants …
Cited by 100 Related articles All 7 versions

- Effects of Moonlight on Flower Induction in Pharbitis nil, Using a Single Dark Period

- Moonlight, mushrooms and moulds

- How bright is moonlight?
C Kyba, A Mohar, T Posch - Astron Geophys, 2017 - academic.oup.com
… seen increasing recognition and study of the effect of moonlight on plants and animals

- Does the Moon Affect Plants? Part 2: Moonlight and Biorhythms
HP Work, HPM Flowers - howplantswork.com

- Lunar influence on plants
W Schad - Earth-Moon Relationships, 2001 - Springer

- Influence of lunar cycles on growth of Ashwagandha (Withania somnifera [L.] Dunal)
SD Tavhare, K Nishteswar, VJ Shukla - Ayu, 2015 - ncbi.nlm.nih.gov




https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,50&q
=the effects of moonlight on plants

Sunlight and moonlight are different, ... but only in terms of intensity.

Sunlight contains many more photons ... and, subsequently, much more energy.

Moonlight is a subset of sunlight (actually a weak reflection) ... and, thus, is much LESS INTENSE, having many FEWER photons, and thus, LESS ENERGY ...

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Sunlight and moonlight are different, ... but only in terms of intensity.

Sunlight contains many more photons ... and, subsequently, much more energy.

Moonlight is a subset of sunlight (actually a weak reflection) ... and, thus, is much LESS INTENSE, having many FEWER photons, and thus, LESS ENERGY ...

Astounding. Weak sunlight (eg winter sun) is still very different in properties as evidenced throughout nature and the growth cycle.

 

[A_Thinker]

Another example of light being emitted by the moon.

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A close up of the two areas.

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Why don't these lights persist ... as the area they are in moves further into shadow ?

Why do we only see these "lights" ... at the edge of the shadow ?

 

[A_Thinker]

Astounding. Weak sunlight (eg winter sun) is still very different in properties as evidenced throughout nature and the growth cycle.

Obviously, even weak sunlight is massively more intense than moonlight.

However, there are common effects of weak sunlight ... and moonlight.

Lesser heat, ... a pause in plant's growth, etc. ...

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Did you even read that article? Not only is it mostly horoscope hookum, it doesn’t even say anything about the moon having magical rotting light.

Tell it 5,000 years of agricultural practitioners. But for you, I'll substitute putrefying with 'growth inducing' effects, being emphasised more in the literature.

Of course they turn to superstition because they know instinctively that the rubbish explanations of modern science don't match experience.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Obviously, even weak sunlight is massively more intense than moonlight.

However, there are common effects of weak sunlight ... and moonlight.

Lesser heat, ... a pause in plant's growth, etc. ...

But it's the opposite - moonlight stimulates plant growth.

 

[A_Thinker]

But it's the opposite - moonlight stimulates plant growth.

Not relative to sunlight.

Intensity of light will affect plant growth. Within reason, more light leads to more growth, ... and less light leads to less growth.

As someone who has worked in the horticultural field, the key is sun.

Most plants need at least moderate sunlight to grow. Moonlight just won't cut it ...

 

[SPF]

Why don't these lights persist ... as the area they are in moves further into shadow ?

Why do we only see these "lights" ... at the edge of the shadow ?

Is anyone going to attempt to explain this?

is anyone going to actually explain how the moon provides its own light??!!

 

[SkyWriting]

Have you not found it maybe a little... I dunno, telling? That the points of light in the dark area are always restricted to an area very close to the “line” where the dark meets the light?

let’s consider which explanation makes more sense:

1) The angel in charge of turning the light on and off is doing a poor job and can’t get them all off in time and so there’s always one or two moon bulbs still on right at the edge.

2) You’re capturing a higher point of land.. a mountain if you will that is still reflecting the light of the sun.

Again, can someone who believes the moon is its own light source actually tell me how it works? Are there ANY ideas on this?

As the picture shows......no substantial light emits in the shadow.
The only light from the shadow is from earthshine and is shaded blue.

It is more visible during a super new moon.

 

[SPF]

As the picture shows......no substantial light emits in the shadow.
The only light from the shadow is from earthshine and is shaded blue.

It is more visible during a super new moon.

This is perhaps the first topic we’ve ever agreed upon.