Mohammed

[RJ1]

Mohammed



Was he drunk or fell of a camel and became delerious?

Did you before coming up with that statement?
You know if someone came to me speaking of Jesus in such a manner there would be nothing that person could say to me from there on out that would make me take him/her seriously. It's one thing to question and debate a religion. It's another to be insulting.

 

[shawn_h76]

The angel Gebriel gave him the Koran.

Galatians 1
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

 

[PurelyIslam]

Did you before coming up with that statement?
You know if someone came to me speaking of Jesus in such a manner there would be nothing that person could say to me from there on out that would make me take him/her seriously. It's one thing to question and debate a religion. It's another to be insulting.

Thank u RJ for this great reply...

The greatness of Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him and the love he has in the heart of every Muslim is certainly not affected by such ravings...infact this is something that might even strengthen our faith and love for him cuz never was there a Prophet and Messenger sent from God but there were ignorant people attacking him..."And if you call them to guidance, they hear not and you will see them looking at you yet they see not. Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good and turn away from the foolish"..Al Aaraf 198-199

Take Care....

 

[new_manII]

a quick comment on this post:

MUHUMMAD (PBUH) WAS AN ILLITERATE

1- how many of the arabs were NOT illiterate?
2- what was Muhamed's job before being a *prophet* ?

ARABIC VERSION OF THE BIBLE WAS NOT PRESENT

can you tell us what Warqa was doing with the Hebrew Bible?

Creation of the Universe in Six Days
As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period.

Can you quote from the bible where it said that the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period ?

The story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh of the Exodus are very much identical in the Qur’an and the Bible. Both scriptures agree that the Pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue Moses (pbuh) and led the Israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The Qur’an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92:
"This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"
[Al-Qur’an 10:92]...Thus the Qur’anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs’ body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

so you want to tell us that the additional info is that Pharoh's body was saved? and that was in Quran not the Bible?
mmm, let's check this
Exo 14:27 And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.
Exo 14:28 And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.
Exo 14:29 But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
Exo 14:30 Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore.

what do you say?

 

[RJ1]

Thank u RJ for this great reply...

You're welcome.

 

[IronEagle]

a quick comment on this post:
1- how many of the arabs were NOT illiterate?
2- what was Muhamed's job before being a *prophet* ?
can you tell us what Warqa was doing with the Hebrew Bible?
Can you quote from the bible where it said that the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period ?

so you want to tell us that the additional info is that Pharoh's body was saved? and that was in Quran not the Bible?
mmm, let's check this
Exo 14:27 And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.
Exo 14:28 And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.
Exo 14:29 But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
Exo 14:30 Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore.

what do you say?

I don't see where it is written that Pharaoh's body is saved.

 

[Nemesis420]

1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.cb(1,2); 1:2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waterscb(1,3); 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.cb(1,4); 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.cb(1,5); 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. (Genesis )

Now it says one day has morning, light, eveing, and dark which is called one day here. Sound like 24 hours to me?

Pharaoh drowned during the exodus, that what ur verses sound to me.

 

[peaceful soul]

1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.cb(1,2); 1:2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waterscb(1,3); 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.cb(1,4); 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.cb(1,5); 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. (Genesis )

Now it says one day has morning, light, eveing, and dark which is called one day here. Sound like 24 hours to me?

Pharaoh drowned during the exodus, that what ur verses sound to me.

It may sound like 24 hours to you, but nowhere does it say that it is true. It only gives separation of darkness and light into a day. You should not assume that morning and evening are a natural demarcation of 24 hours. You could be correct, but don't make it as Gospel. Many things we do not know and will never know. What we do know, we can take and better understand God and the design of His creation.

 

[shawn_h76]

1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.cb(1,2); 1:2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waterscb(1,3); 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.cb(1,4); 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.cb(1,5); 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. (Genesis )

Now it says one day has morning, light, eveing, and dark which is called one day here. Sound like 24 hours to me?

Right the earth was created in 7/24 hour days.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day( genesis 1:5)
The word day, in hebrew, yowm is day (24 hour period).(strongs)

 

[new_manII]

Pharaoh drowned during the exodus, that what ur verses sound to me.

I don't see where it is written that Pharaoh's body is saved.

may be you have hearing/seeing problems?
look herer, carefully
it says what?
Exo 14:30 Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore.
they saw Egyptians dead upon the sea shore...
they saw thier dead-bodies upon the sea shore...
upon the sea shore, they saw Egyptians dead...
Egyptians dead were seen upon the sea shore by Isreali...

What did Isreal saw upon the sea shore?
Where were the bodies of the Egyptians?
Who saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore?

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now it says one day has morning, light, eveing, and dark which is called one day here. Sound like 24 hours to me?

and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period ?

so you lied when you said that each day is defined as 24 hours...
why do you lie? or it's ok as your Muhamed said, it's ok to lie in three cases,
lie at your wife, lie at your eniemy, and lie if you will make *peace* between *friends*!!
and since you consider us, your Allah and Muhamed's enimeis, so it's ok to lie at us?
very nice teachings... Allah is really happy with you....
go on...
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The word day, in hebrew, yowm is day (24 hour period).(strongs)

(Strong)H3117
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

be well

nmII

 

[Nemesis420]

Exo 14:30 Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore.
they saw Egyptians dead upon the sea shore...
they saw thier dead-bodies upon the sea shore...
upon the sea shore, they saw Egyptians dead...
Egyptians dead were seen upon the sea shore by Isreali...

What did Isreal saw upon the sea shore?
Where were the bodies of the Egyptians?
Who saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore?This tell me that he drown in water and died.

If you look at history of Mohammed (PBUH), he was called many name but one name he was never called was a lier.


1:5 "...light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Look at it again, with ur open eyes. there was light night eveing morning and then one day. It does not say there were 100s of days. it says day.

 

[new_manII]

This tell me that he drown in water and died.

did anyone claim anything else? he drawned and died, and his body was thrown to the shore and Israel saw it along with the other dead bodies of the Egyptian army...

If you look at history of Mohammed (PBUH), he was called many name but one name he was never called was a lier.

Hitler's followers said the same exact thing about him... does that mean anything?
do you don't agree on that Hadith I told you about "to lie in three cases" ?

Look at it again, with ur open eyes. there was light night eveing morning and then one day. It does not say there were 100s of days. it says day.

Yes it says day. the same word as it's in Quran. or you disagree?
Did the bible say it's 24 hours?
Did it say that the light and darkness were because of Earth movement around itself?
Did you read the *hebrew root* of the word "Yum"?
Did you read the diffenetion of the word "Yum" ?
or you're just like your Muahmed "I don't read!!" ??

have fun my dear
nmII

 

[Nemesis420]

Yea that what the bible say i agree with that, but i said the Quran goes one step furture.

"This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"
[Al-Qur’an 10:92]

Which agree with morden science.

For the agrument sake just say it was not 24 hours right. How the hell do u save this this.

<LI>Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?

How can God make this Big mistake even 5 yrs old kid know without Sun we would all die.

 

[new_manII]

hello Nmses

Yea that what the bible say i agree with that, but i said the Quran goes one step furture.
"This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"
[Al-Qur’an 10:92]
Which agree with morden science.

Very good that you reliazed your mistake.
so now you agree that Pharoh's body along with his army were saved from the sea and were thrown upon the sea shore and Isreal saw that...
now, you want to say that the *miracle* is that Quran said that the Body of Pharoh will be kept??
mmm, do you know how many mummies were discovered for Pharohs?
Go to the Egyptian museum and you will see 8 bodies at least... including Ramsis I, Ramsis II, Siti I, and others...
so what's the *wierd* thing about that pharoh?
almost all egyptian pharoh were kept save by priests of Ra' and there's nothing *sepcial* about Ramsis II

For the agrument sake just say it was not 24 hours right.

great. so why did you lie and say that the Bible mentioned it's 24 hours???
or you're just following Muhamed's command that is "to lie in three cases" ?
be honest please...

How the hell do u save this this.
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day.
How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?

Please, put the verse that says Sun was created on the Forth Day...
Don't lie please...

nmII

 

[Nemesis420]

I can prove that it was 24 hours still but you wont understand. Pharoh, every one know him the badest man every walked on this planet. It says in the Quran this body will be kept safe, at that time this would sound stupid but it is true right now.

Read your own bible, Only for u

1:11And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so.cb(1,12); 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good.cb(1,13); 1:13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (Genesis)

1:16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.cb(1,17); 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth,cb(1,18); 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.cb(1,19); 1:19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. (Genesis)

How can you have eving and morning when light came on fourth day, i think there is some mistake here

 

[new_manII]

hello

I can prove that it was 24 hours still but you wont understand.

Please prove it. I am waiting...

Pharoh, every one know him the badest man every walked on this planet.

What about Muhamed is the worest one?
at least pharoh didn't claim that what he's doing is In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful!
He didn't go around killing poeple, poping thier eyes, cutting thier hands and legs, and put heated iron into their eyes, and then left them into the hot desert! all that as a punishment for stealing his own camel!!!!! Muhamed did that...

It says in the Quran this body will be kept safe, at that time this would sound stupid but it is true right now.

May be it sounds stupid for your people "The Arabs" or the Muslims [depends ] at that time, but for my people, Pharohs, it's the normal act to embalm, save and protect Pharoh's body ...
Virtually, every King Of Egypt were embalmed...
Jews, for example, knew that. For this is what Egyptians did to Jacob and Joseph...

Gen 50:2 And Joseph commanded his servants the physicians to embalm his father: and the physicians embalmed Israel [Jacob].
Gen 50:26 So Joseph died, being an hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.

So not because it looked stupid for your Muhamed and his people, it looks stupid for everyone else...

How can you have eving and morning when light came on fourth day, i think there is some mistake here

First: Yes, there's a mistake here... and the mistake is that you didn't see what happen in the first *day*. God made the Light...
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Second: I didn't see God created the Sun on the forth day as you claimed... why do you lie? it's not a good thing to do ...

nmII

 

[mssy543]

Newman,

"What about Muhamed is the worest one?"

Would u please refrain yourself , from insulting our beloved prophet (PBUH)..
If you have a point you could discuss it civially or else please do not

Thank you

Mssy

 

[Nemesis420]

Well i can take that, Where did the prohet (PBUM) kill people for no reason.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

One day = it says light darkness night eving moring

Now if it was one day in God day then it should be 1000's of night 1000's days and so on.

Mohammed the worst one, aint that a joke, the fastest growing relgion, the most influence man ever walked in this planet. The Guy who talked about nuclear physic.

"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.' After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 19:26-28)"

Jesus so called God of urs want to kill some one?

Where does it say God make light on the first day it says

If God did creat light on first day then, why did he create light again in 4th day.

1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.cb(1,19); 1:19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

 

[wake up call]

The angel Gebriel gave him the Koran.

what about the 3 verses that Omar Ibn Al Khattab "Inspired" in the Quran?
Did Gabriel appear to him too?

 

[PurelyIslam]

Hi wakeup call...

Do u believe that God the Exalted the Most High was present in every moment of Time and is Aware of Everything??! If yes, then you would understand how that the verses of the Quran were revealed immediately to the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to deal with live situations that were happening right then and there, and to answer questions that people asked and to set people straight in issues in which they differed and to show them their religion...

The Prophet's blessed heart was not more than a receptacle for the Lord's Glorious speech....So in the incidents u speak of when Omar ibn Al Khattab may Allah be pleased with him have spoken to the Prophet peace be upon him regarding certain issues Allah the Almighty would reveal a verse that would set the Muslims straight regarding that issue of their religion...and it happened to be an approval of what Omar said...This is no way means that Omar inspired the verse , the Only Inspirer of the Quran is the Lord Who sent the Quran..

Take Care..

Purely