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Hello bluetrinity,



You wanted to know about the prophet Muhammed (PBUH) as I gather from your assumptions that you do not know who he is, and you also inquired about the Koran (Quran) so I hope this would help clear your misconceptions.


Who is Muhammad ?



Muhammed (PBUH) is a prophet, a messenger from GOD. Muhammad (pbuh) was born in Makkah in the year 570, at a time when Christianity was not yet fully established in Europe. Since his father died before his birth, and his mother shortly afterwards, he was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As he grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate in disputes. The historians describe him as a clam and meditative.

Muhammad (pbuh) was of adeeply religious nature, and had long detested the decadence of his society. It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of Hira near the summit of Jabal al-Nur, the ' Mountain of Light ' near Makkah."

What is the Quran ?

"The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It was memorized by Muhammad (pbuh) and then dictated to his ' Companions', and written down by scribes, who crosschecked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters, (Suras) has been changed over the centuries, so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad (pbuh) fourteen centuries ago."

If you have any questions about islam, I would be happy to answer them for you J



Salam,



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mssy543 said:
If you have any questions about islam, I would be happy to answer them for you J


Mssy
Hello Mssy,

If u would not Mess up me, I have a question about Islam that the whole islamic umma utterly failed to answer?

Please give me proof that the "angel" who appeared in front of Mohd in the night of Lailathul Qadar was Angel Gabriel, who revealed the Good News to Mary about the coming of "Immannuel"?

Please prove that Allah is the same God, who had been worshipped by Abraham, Moses, etc.?

And I have thousands of questions? If u know something about Islam, please go to "Why Islam", a thread started by NewMan. There I asked a perfect theological question about "salvation by good deeds" of Islam, revealing the "Spirit" who worked behind Quran and Islam. Please go and answer it.

You are free enough to check all biblical manuscripts and evidences. Even our muslim friend who wrote Gospel of Barnabas forgot to mention the name "Allah" in that "Gospel". George Sale who translated Quran into English in the early centuries of Islam mentioned about this "Gospel" as a "medieval forgery". This was the "Gospel" first seen in Holland and got translated from Italian to Spanish by Mostafa de Aranda (a Spanish Muslim) from Italian.

You try anywhere and everywhere. Prove and show me a scrap of evidence about prophecies relating to the coming of a "prophet" after Jesus from Bible or anywhere else.

Check all the apocryphals rejected by the Church. Check all the archeological evidences discovered. Show me a scrap of proof (OTHER THAN CLAIMS) that the word "Allah" was used by prophets and the Eternal Word of God, Lord Jesus.

If you are coming to boast about "Allahi" of Aramaic, please....... just my half-hour. It has already been discussed and rejected a thousand times in earlier threads. So please don't waste our time.

I want to know whether you have anything new.

sijo
 
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Was he drunk or fell of a camel and became delerious? What is the source of the Koran?
My dear,

I don't know the correct answer. But the Hadiths said that Mohd was under the influence of Satan several times:

"Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done." – Bukhari, Narrated Aisha, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 400.

This instance was "one" narrated by Aisha, the "7 year old doll-playing child" wife of Mohd. Only God knows how much time he was bewitched.

So don't get confused. Let's keep our faith ONLY in Lord Jesus Christ, the Eternal Word of YAHWEH.

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Sijo,




I would answer your questions that is if you are truly wanting to learn... the reason I say this is because after reading several of your posts I got the feeling that you are convinced with your way of thinking and that you are not willing to learn.. so I will direct the same sentence that you have directed to me until I feel otherwise…



"So please don't waste our time".





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I would answer your questions that is if you are truly wanting to learn... the reason I say this is because after reading several of your posts I got the feeling that you are convinced with your way of thinking and that you are not willing to learn.. so I will direct the same sentence that you have directed to me until I feel otherwise…



"So please don't waste our time".





Mssy





 
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sijo said:
Hello Mssy,

If u would not Mess up me, I have a question about Islam that the whole islamic umma utterly failed to answer?

Please give me proof that the "angel" who appeared in front of Mohd in the night of Lailathul Qadar was Angel Gabriel, who revealed the Good News to Mary about the coming of "Immannuel"?

Please prove that Allah is the same God, who had been worshipped by Abraham, Moses, etc.?

And I have thousands of questions? If u know something about Islam, please go to "Why Islam", a thread started by NewMan. There I asked a perfect theological question about "salvation by good deeds" of Islam, revealing the "Spirit" who worked behind Quran and Islam. Please go and answer it.

You are free enough to check all biblical manuscripts and evidences. Even our muslim friend who wrote Gospel of Barnabas forgot to mention the name "Allah" in that "Gospel". George Sale who translated Quran into English in the early centuries of Islam mentioned about this "Gospel" as a "medieval forgery". This was the "Gospel" first seen in Holland and got translated from Italian to Spanish by Mostafa de Aranda (a Spanish Muslim) from Italian.

You try anywhere and everywhere. Prove and show me a scrap of evidence about prophecies relating to the coming of a "prophet" after Jesus from Bible or anywhere else.

Check all the apocryphals rejected by the Church. Check all the archeological evidences discovered. Show me a scrap of proof (OTHER THAN CLAIMS) that the word "Allah" was used by prophets and the Eternal Word of God, Lord Jesus.

If you are coming to boast about "Allahi" of Aramaic, please....... just my half-hour. It has already been discussed and rejected a thousand times in earlier threads. So please don't waste our time.

I want to know whether you have anything new.

sijo


You are right Sijo, the topic of "Allah" had been dealt with in previous postings in regards to the derivations. The legitimacy of the word "Allah" as an Arabic derivation has been been backed up even by Jews on this site!! "Allah" references the ONE TRUE G-D, 'EL' OKIM... It is NOT another G-d!!

You know, if you spent half of your time researching good, legitimate websites instead of all of your time on anti-Islamic sites you might get some where. :mad:

Takbir!!

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bluetrinity said:
Was he drunk or fell of a camel and became delerious? What is the source of the Koran?

Blue Trinity,
Howdy!! :wave:

Please access the various Islamic sites (the ones by Muslims, not non-Muslims). I don't want to do link postings here and end up in trouble.

Some are good, some are bad, some are just hard to read ...If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask. I will be more than happy to try to answer for you. Also, there are several other people here that can do so. Mephster, in particular.

I am not interested in whether or not you become Muslim, however, I would like you to at least be able to obtain some decent, correct information about Islam. :D

G-D is GREAT!! Allahu Akbar!!

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sijo said:
Hello Mssy,

If u would not Mess up me, I have a question about Islam that the whole islamic umma utterly failed to answer?

Please give me proof that the "angel" who appeared in front of Mohd in the night of Lailathul Qadar was Angel Gabriel, who revealed the Good News to Mary about the coming of "Immannuel"?

Please prove that Allah is the same God, who had been worshipped by Abraham, Moses, etc.?

And I have thousands of questions? If u know something about Islam, please go to "Why Islam", a thread started by NewMan. There I asked a perfect theological question about "salvation by good deeds" of Islam, revealing the "Spirit" who worked behind Quran and Islam. Please go and answer it.

You are free enough to check all biblical manuscripts and evidences. Even our muslim friend who wrote Gospel of Barnabas forgot to mention the name "Allah" in that "Gospel". George Sale who translated Quran into English in the early centuries of Islam mentioned about this "Gospel" as a "medieval forgery". This was the "Gospel" first seen in Holland and got translated from Italian to Spanish by Mostafa de Aranda (a Spanish Muslim) from Italian.

You try anywhere and everywhere. Prove and show me a scrap of evidence about prophecies relating to the coming of a "prophet" after Jesus from Bible or anywhere else.

Check all the apocryphals rejected by the Church. Check all the archeological evidences discovered. Show me a scrap of proof (OTHER THAN CLAIMS) that the word "Allah" was used by prophets and the Eternal Word of God, Lord Jesus.

If you are coming to boast about "Allahi" of Aramaic, please....... just my half-hour. It has already been discussed and rejected a thousand times in earlier threads. So please don't waste our time.

I want to know whether you have anything new.

sijo
wow sijo, you would make an excellent objective skeptic, if only you would just apply the same standards to your own religion.
 
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MUHUMMAD (PBUH) LEARNT FROM WARAQA - THE RELATIVE OF KHADIJAH (RA)

Muhummad’s (pbuh) contacts with the Jewish and Christian Scholars were very limited. The most prominent Christian known to him was an old blind man called Waraqa ibn-Naufal who was a relative of the Prophet’s first wife Khadijah (r.a.). Although of Arab descent, he was a convert to Christianity and was very well versed with the New Testament. The Prophet only met him twice, first when Waraqa was worshipping at the Kaaba (before the Prophetic Mission) and he kissed the Prophet’s forehead affectionately; the second occasion was when the Prophet went to meet Waraqa after receiving the first revelation. Waraqa died three years later and the revelation continued for about 23 years. It is ridiculous to assume that Waraqa was the source of the contents of the Qur’an.


LOGICAL GROUNDS TO PROVE THAT THE PROPHET DID NOT LEARN THE QUR’AN FROM JEWS OR CHRISTIANS



  • The extremely prominent Quraish nobles who followed the Prophet and accepted Islam were wise and intelligent men who would have easily noticed anything suspicious about the way in which the Prophet brought the revelations to them - more so since the Prophetic mission lasted 23 years.
  • The enemies of the Prophet kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar - they could not point out even a single instance when the Prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular Jews and Christians.
  • It is inconceivable that any human author of the Qur’an would have accepted a situation in which he received no credit whatsoever for originating the Qur’an.
Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a human source for the Qur’an.
MUHUMMAD (PBUH) WAS AN ILLITERATE



The theory that Muhummad (pbuh) authored the Qur’an or copied from other sources can be disproved by the single historical fact that he was illiterate.

Allah testifies Himself in the Qur’an
In Surah Al-Ankabut chapter no.29 verse 48


"And thou was not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted."
[Al-Qur’an 29:48]


Allah (swt) knew that many would doubt the authenticity of the Qur’an and would ascribe it to Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). Therefore Allah in His Divine Wisdom chose the last and final Messenger to be an ‘Ummi’, i.e. unlettered, so that the talkers of vanity would not then have the slightest justification to doubt the Prophet. The accusation of his enemies that he had copied the Qur’an from other sources and rehashed it all in a beautiful language might have carried some weight, but even this flimsy pretence has been deprived to the unbeliever and the cynic.



The prophecy of coming of the unlettered Prophet (pbuh) is also mentioned in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12.

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned."
[Isaiah 29:12]


The Qur’an testifies in no less than four different places that the Prophet (pbuh) was illiterate. It is also mentioned in Surah A’raf chapter 7 verse 158 and in Surah Al-Jumu’a chapter 62 verse 2.
ARABIC VERSION OF THE BIBLE WAS NOT PRESENT

The Arabic version of the Bible was not present at the time of Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). The earliest Arabic version of the Old Testament is that of R. Saadias Gaon of 900 C.E. - more than 250 years after the death of our beloved Prophet. The oldest Arabic version of the new Testament was published by Erpenius in 1616 C.E. - about a thousand years after the demise of our Prophet.
SIMILARITIES IN THE QUR’AN AND THE BIBLE DUE TO COMMON SOURCE



Similarities between the Qur’an and the Bible does not necessarily mean that the former has been copied from the latter. In fact it gives evidence that both of them are based on a common third source; all divine revelations came from the same source - the one universal God. No matter what human changes were introduced into some of these Judeo-Christian and other older religious scriptures that had distorted their originality, there are some areas that have remained free from distortion and thus are common to many religions.

It is true that there are some similar parallels between the Qur’an and the Bible but this is not sufficient to accuse Muhummad (pbuh) of compiling or copying from the Bible. The same logic would then also be applicable to teachings of Christianity and Judaism and thus one could wrongly claim that Jesus (pbuh) was not a genuine Prophet (God forbid) and that he simply copied from the Old Testament.

The similarities between the two signify a common source that is one true God and the continuation of the basic message of monotheism and not that the later prophets have plagiarised from the previous prophets.



If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbour or Mr. XYZ. Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) gave due respect and credit to all the previous prophets (pbut). The Qur’an also mentions the various revelations given by Almighty God to different prophets.
SCIENTIFIC COMPARISON BETWEEN QUR’AN AND BIBLE


  • Creation of the Universe in Six Days
    As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, ‘Ayyaam’ is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. a day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.


    When the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the Bible which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.
  • Sun Created After the Day
    The Bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of Genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the Bible on this issue, the Qur’an does not give any unscientific sequence of Creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the Bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the Bible.
  • Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon
    According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.
  • Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day
    According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?


    If Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the Qur’an and had copied its contents from the Bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the Bible contains? The Qur’an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts.
NOAH (PBUH) AND THE FLOOD



The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C.

This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the Qur’anic presentation of the story of Noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the Qur’an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the Qur’an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the Qur’an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of Noah.



It is illogical to assume that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the Bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the Qur’an.
MOSES (PBUH) AND PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS



The story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh of the Exodus are very much identical in the Qur’an and the Bible. Both scriptures agree that the Pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue Moses (pbuh) and led the Israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The Qur’an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92:

"This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"
[Al-Qur’an 10:92]


Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses II’s son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the Qur’anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs’ body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.



This verse of the Qur’an compelled Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who was a Christian then, to study the Qur’an. He later wrote a book ‘The Bible, the Qur’an and Science’, and confessed that the author of the Qur’an can be no one else besides God Himself. Thus he embraced Islam.
QUR’AN IS A BOOK FROM ALLAH



These evidences are sufficient to conclude that the Qur’an was not copied from the Bible, but that the Qur’an is the Furqaan - ‘the Criteria’ to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the Bible may be considered as the Word of God.


 
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Illume said:
I have a question. What exactly are the five pillars and how exactly do Muslims view people of other religions in regards to salvation.

Why don't you start a new thread to ask your questions. They'll get lost on this one :)
 
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1. Faith: "There is none worthy of worship except God and Muhammad is the messenger of God." This declaration of faith is called the Shahadah, a simple formula that all the faithful pronounce. The significance of this declaration is the belief that the only purpose of life is to serve and obey God, and this is achieved through the teachings and practices of the Last Prophet, Muhammad.

2. Salah or Prayer: Salah is the name for the obligatory prayers that are performed five times a day, and are a direct link between the worshipper and God. There is no hierarchical authority in Islam and there are no priests. Prayers are led by a learned person who knows the Qur'an and is generally chosen by the congregation.

Prayers are said at dawn, mid-day, late-afternoon, sunset and nightfall, and thus determine the rhythm of the entire day. These five prescribed prayers contain verses from the Qur'an, and are said in Arabic, the language of the Revelation. Personal supplications, however, can be offered in one's own language and at any time.

Although it is preferable to worship together in a mosque, a Muslim may pray almost anywhere, such as in fields, offices, factories and universities. Oftentimes visitors to the Muslim world are struck by the centrality of prayers in daily life.

A translation of the Adan or Call to Prayer is:

God is Great.
God is Great.
God is Great.
God is Great.
I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God.
I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God.
I testify that Muhammad is the messenger of God.
I testify that Muhammad is the messenger of God.
Come to prayer!
Come to prayer!
Come to success!
Come to success!
God is Great!
God is Great!
There is none worthy of worship except God.


3. Zakah, the financial obligation upon Muslims: An important principle of Islam is that everything belongs to God, and that wealth is therefore held by human beings in trust. The word zakah means both "purification" and "growth." Our possessions are purified by setting aside a proportion for those in need and for the society in general. Like the pruning of plants, this cutting back balances and encourages new growth.

Each Muslim calculates his or her own zakah individually. This involves the annual payment of a fortieth of one's capital, excluding such items as primary residence, car and professional tools.

An individual may also give as much as he or she pleases as sadaqa-h, and does so preferably in secret. Although this word can be translated as "voluntary charity" it has a wider meaning.
The Prophet said, "Even meeting your brother with a cheerful face is an act of charity." The Prophet also said: "Charity is a necessity for every Muslim." He was asked: "What if a person has nothing?" The Prophet replied: "He should work with his own hands for his benefit and then give something out of such earnings in charity." The Companions of the Prophet asked: "What if he is not able to work?" The Prophet said: "He should help the poor and needy." The Companions further asked: "What if he cannot do even that?" The Prophet said: "He should urge others to do good." The Companions said: "What if he lacks that also?" The Prophet said: "He should check himself from doing evil. That is also an act of charity."

4. Fasting: Every year in the month of Ramada-n, all Muslims fast from dawn until sundown--abstaining from food, drink, and sexual relations with their spouses.

Those who are sick, elderly, or on a journey, and women who are menstruating, pregnant or nursing, are permitted to break the fast and make up an equal number of days later in the year if they are healthy and able. Children begin to fast (and to observe prayers) from puberty, although many start earlier.

Although fasting is beneficial to health, it is mainly a method of self-purification and self-restraint. By cutting oneself from worldly comforts, even for a short time, a fasting person focuses on his or her purpose in life by constantly being aware of the presence of God. God states in the Qur'an: "O you who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed to those before you that you may learn self-restraint." (Qur'an 2:183)

5. Hajj or Pilgrimage: The pilgrimage to Makkah (the hajj) is an obligation only for those who are physically and financially able to do so. Nevertheless, over two million people go to Makkah each year from every corner of the globe providing a unique opportunity for those of different nations to meet one another.

The annual hajj begins in the twelfth month of the Islamic year (which is lunar, not solar, so that hajj and Ramada-n fall sometimes in summer, sometimes in winter). Pilgrims wear special clothes: simple garments that strip away distinctions of class and culture, so that all stand equal before God.

The rites of the hajj, which are of Abrahamic origin, include going around the Ka'bah seven times, and going seven times between the hills of Safa and Marwa as did Hagar (Hajir, Abraham's wife) during her search for water. The pilgrims later stand together on the wide plains of 'Arafat (a large expanse of desert outside Makkah) and join in prayer for God's forgiveness, in what is often thought as a preview of the Day of Judgment.

The close of the hajj is marked by a festival, the 'Id al Adha, which is celebrated with prayers and the exchange of gifts in Muslim communities everywhere. This and the 'Id al Fitr, a festive day celebrating the end of Ramada-n, are the two holidays of the Islamic calendar.

(I made some parts bold, because I like them very much.)

source: http://www.islam101.com/dawah/pillars.html
 
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how exactly do Muslims view people of other religions in regards to salvation.
Basically, God has the right to save anyone he wills, muslims doesn't exactly every non-muslim going to hell per se. Although, in the Quran it says God may forgive everything except associating partners with him... it is same as the first commendment.
 
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