Missing link was a lie

[dad]

As a little footnote, here are a couple of English to American translations,



Guff | Define Guff at Dictionary.com


Also, I don't know if the soccer term 'own goal' is familiar to all Americans.

From the same source: dictionary.com


So, if this limey inadvertantly uses unfamiliar British phrases, don't hesitate to tell me. I love differences between American-English and British-English. (I was reading a story the other day about how for some Americans the word English is more immediately associated with the language they speak in America than with a nation of people living on the other side of the Atlantic. That gave me pause for thought.)

Right-ho, footnote over. Carry on.

OK, thanks. So it is something hooligans would likely be familiar with.

 

[dad]

Sorry, but it doesn't. I was hoping you would gain some perspective, but that was a vain hope. A closed mind cannot gain new information.

Apparently it can't post any here for us to read either.

I guess you don't see the computer you are using, the light fixtures, the heating/cooling system, your refrigerator, stove, car, etc., etc. All the things you take for granted in your save and easy life, as you rail against the provider of it all.

False. Dreams of a same state past or future have never given anything to man. They have only robbed little children of faith, and offended little ones.

With you running science, it would be a case of the patients running the insane asylum.

I don't even much like science. I only looked into it, enough to kill the lie. Why would God stick me in the true science dept?? Give Him a little more credit than that..

How about you first admitting you do not speak for God. How about first admitting you are fallible. I asked first, afterall. Instead, you dodge, dodge and dodge...

Anyone that can read John 3:16 speaks for God. He gave us a book of Him speaking. He spoke for Himself, so if we repeat it we are speaking for God. This is news??

 

[Tomatoman]

You're unravelling, dad.

 

[dad]

You're unravelling, dad.

Not at all, it ain't my tomato that is getting sliced and diced here! So, what, listing a few relevant verses triggers thoughts of being 'unraveled' to you? Hilarious.

 

[Split Rock]

Apparently it can't post any here for us to read either.

Are you speaking of yourself again?

False. Dreams of a same state past or future have never given anything to man. They have only robbed little children of faith, and offended little ones.

Fine. I take it you will be moving to that deserted island sometime soon? No? How about this. Move to Indonesia.. or a poor African country. There are plenty of poor children there you can help, without so much technology that you claim you do not need. Or it that technology a crutch you cannot give up?

I don't even much like science.

No kidding??!!!

I only looked into it, enough to kill the lie. Why would God stick me in the true science dept?? Give Him a little more credit than that..

Just enough, huh? In other words, you made some assumptions and that was that.

Anyone that can read John 3:16 speaks for God. He gave us a book of Him speaking. He spoke for Himself, so if we repeat it we are speaking for God. This is news??

But you are not just repeating scripture, are you dad? You are inventing theology and claiming it is God's Word. You are not speaking for God, though you clearly believe you are. Do not prophets speak for God? Why are you afraid to use the term, when you believe it so strongly?

 

[dad]

Are you speaking of yourself again?

No, I was speaking of posters that talk a good talk, but do not support what they say, even when asked.

Fine. I take it you will be moving to that deserted island sometime soon? No? How about this. Move to Indonesia.. or a poor African counrty. There are plenty of poor children there you can help, without so much technology that you claim you do not need. Or it that technology a crutch you cannot give up?


No kidding??!!!

One need not move anywhere to avoid same state progress, it doesn't exist. Real knowledge is mostly what advances in technology are based on. Show me anything that helps anyone that is based on the present state existing in the future? Whether they stuff the whole thing in a speck in the imaginary past, or kill it all, and have an imaginary black hole swallow it in the fantasy future, it never helped anyone!

Man tinkering around right here in this temporal present state gives us the good and the bad actual progress, nothing else! Stop trying to grab the glory for all things for the little god of so called science.

But you are not just repeating scripture, are you dad? You are inventing theology and claiming it is God's Word. You are not speaking for God, though you clearly believe you are. Do not prophets speak for God? Why are you afraid to use the term, when you believe it so strongly?

Why do you come off as caring what God or the bible say? I think I had this chat with you before about who has a strong bible case, and you didn't last a round. Need a fresh one?

 

[Nostromo]

I am ready for the evo Inquisition to be terminated! The forced worship

Forced? You choose not to believe it don't you? Find me someone who has been forced into "worship" of ToE.

mandatory teaching of lying fables

I know what you mean, I went to a Church of England school.

Seriously though, they teach ToE because it works, and because it can be shown to be true. What more do you want?

Would you consider yourself a reasonable man, dad?

 

[dad]

Forced? You choose not to believe it don't you? Find me someone who has been forced into "worship" of ToE.
I know what you mean, I went to a Church of England school.

Well, if someone did not go to school, where the TOE is mandatory, by the way, they would find themselves in serious trouble. Their parents may be jailed, and they may be forced into pagan government care. If someone skips church, they do not go to jail.

Seriously though, they teach ToE because it works, and because it can be shown to be true. What more do you want?

Would you consider yourself a reasonable man, dad?

Of course I am reasonable. If you have real and reasoned arguments they will be taken as such. Having entered the creation debate assuming the standard flood geology was the alternative to science, it was through reason, that I tweaked my ideas. Rather than reject continental separation, I embrace it, as I do evolving, decay, fossils, and all evidences. It is only by reason that I have discovered theat science is a chicken shipt hoax. Does the TOE work? No. Only as far a evolution starting from created kinds. Thus far, and NO further does it work.

 

[Nostromo]

Well, if someone did not go to school, where the TOE is mandatory, by the way, they would find themselves in serious trouble. Their parents may be jailed, and they may be forced into pagan government care. If someone skips church, they do not go to jail.

I'm assuming you're in the US, labeling government care as "pagan" is a touch disingenuous when the constitution dictates the separation of state and religion. It's also perfectly legal to homeschool your children and ToE is not required, to my knowledge.

It's also a little disingenuous of you to ignore the fact that various parties have tried to force the teaching of Bible based biology in science classes.

It is only by reason that I have discovered theat science is a chicken shipt hoax. Does the TOE work? No. Only as far a evolution starting from created kinds. Thus far, and NO further does it work.

And being a reasonable man you're willing to accept that you might be wrong?

Can you think of anything which would convince you that you are wrong?

 

[Split Rock]

No, I was speaking of posters that talk a good talk, but do not support what they say, even when asked.

Where you looking in the mirror when you wrote this? Because it describes you perfectly. You blather on about your split/merge silliness, but have no factual, biblical, or even logical support for any of it. Not to mention no support from anyone else. How many times have posters here asked you for evidence to back your claims up?

One need not move anywhere to avoid same state progress, it doesn't exist. Real knowledge is mostly what advances in technology are based on. Show me anything that helps anyone that is based on the present state existing in the future? Whether they stuff the whole thing in a speck in the imaginary past, or kill it all, and have an imaginary black hole swallow it in the fantasy future, it never helped anyone!

So your split/merge silliness is "real knowledge?" Go ahead and show us how it advances technology. If not, then by your own words it is not real knowledge.

None of this has any bearing on why I suggested you leave all the technology you take for granted behind, does it? You claim to hate science, and that science is evil. The technology you use everyday is based on that science. That is why I suggested you leave it all behind. But, you can't do that can you... it would be too hard for "God's Little Echo."

Man tinkering around right here in this temporal present state gives us the good and the bad actual progress, nothing else! Stop trying to grab the glory for all things for the little god of so called science.

No, I'll leave all the "glory" for "God's Little Echo." Too bad your own Holy Book says you will get none, becasue of your towering arrogance and hubris.

Why do you come off as caring what God or the bible say? I think I had this chat with you before about who has a strong bible case, and you didn't last a round. Need a fresh one?

I didn't last a round? You crack me up,dad! I showed that "The split" had to do with the separating of the tribes of man, and nothing to do with a "split" between the physical and the spirtual. Where is your biblical evidence for such nonsense? Where is your case? "I think," "I feel" and "maybe this was diffferent in the past" are not a case, but that's all you have provided.

 

[driewerf]

I am ready for the evo Inquisition to be terminated! The forced worship, and mandatory teaching of lying fables, and doctrines of devils, that is science so called, falsely.

Forced? You choose not to believe it don't you? Find me someone who has been forced into "worship" of ToE.

Well, if someone did not go to school, where the TOE is mandatory, by the way, they would find themselves in serious trouble. Their parents may be jailed, and they may be forced into pagan government care. If someone skips church, they do not go to jail.

The theory of evolution is mandatory in American schools and you conclude that children are forced to worship the ToE...
They are also forced to worship mathematics.
The worship of chemistry is mandatory, also they have to pray for the god of English, attend the church of history, follow the teachings of Geography and adore the pagan god of French.

The US are not a christian nation anymore.

 

[dad]

I'm assuming you're in the US, labeling government care as "pagan" is a touch disingenuous when the constitution dictates the separation of state and religion. It's also perfectly legal to homeschool your children and ToE is not required, to my knowledge.

I suppose it is legal to live on Gilligan's Island in a shack, and home school from a coloring book. But that doesn't change anything. Families are forced to go, and even those that can afford to escape, get a lot of it in school anyhow. Also in movies, and TV, and books, and etc. Those that don't worship at the altar of the lie are treated like the Beverly Hillbillies, more or less.

It's also a little disingenuous of you to ignore the fact that various parties have tried to force the teaching of Bible based biology in science classes.

So? They would have been a lot closer to truth, that the utterly lying and baseless fables they are subjected to by force. The earlier Inquisition never had as many victims.

And being a reasonable man you're willing to accept that you might be wrong?

Yes, it is unreasonable for God to be wrong, and we have His word. There is NO chance that man descended from apes. None. Claiming such Satanic lies, is to do so without any possible proof, or evidence. To insinuate, for example, that the ape found recently in South Africa is a descendant of man is a lie. It is demonstrable evidence that evos do not know what they are talking about in even a remote way! Yes, there was a lot of evolving, but none of it included evolving into Adam. That is evil conjecture, and should be treated by any caring adults as an offense to children.

Can you think of anything which would convince you that you are wrong?

Like the rest of us, I am wrong several times a day, sometimes more. So it depends on what exactly you are talking about. It is not possible that the scripture can be broken, if that is what you mean. Heaven and earth that we know, shall be no more, but God's word will all be completely fulfilled.

 

[dad]

The theory of evolution is mandatory in American schools and you conclude that children are forced to worship the ToE...
They are also forced to worship mathematics.
The worship of chemistry is mandatory, also they have to pray for the god of English, attend the church of history, follow the teachings of Geography and adore the pagan god of French.

The US are not a christian nation anymore.

No, of course it is not a Christian nation. If it were, having Satanic lies forced on the young people Christians are charged by God Almighty to protect, and teach right, would not be an option.

But pagans worshiped gods, you know. They sacrificed children to them even.

"wor·ship 1. a. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
b. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.

2. Ardent devotion; adoration.

....2. To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion....

--free online dictionary

That is what worship is, and it fits perfectly! Just look at the zeal with with the evos pulpit pound their doctrines of devils! Look at the ardent esteem they place on teaching the TOE to kids!

It is nothing in this world, literally, but forced worship.

 

[dad]

So your split/merge silliness is "real knowledge?" Go ahead and show us how it advances technology. If not, then by your own words it is not real knowledge.

See. science that is only in the future or past is so called science. No earthly good at all. Yet it id foisted on innocents as science. It does NOTHING but try to destroy faith in the truth. The bible, including the clear differences in the creation era, and future is real knowledge, of a time to come, and a time that was! So called science opposes and exalts itself above that, with lying vanities.

None of this has any bearing on why I suggested you leave all the technology you take for granted behind, does it? You claim to hate science, and that science is evil. The technology you use everyday is based on that science. That is why I suggested you leave it all behind. But, you can't do that can you... it would be too hard for "God's Little Echo."

The technology, once again (you need an echo, you won't listen the first few times) -has NOTHING to do with so called science.

I didn't last a round? You crack me up,dad! I showed that "The split" had to do with the separating of the tribes of man, and nothing to do with a "split" between the physical and the spirtual.

No, you showed no such foolishness. You merely pointed out the obvious, that some have interpreted it that way. Many also interpret it as including more.

When we look at the sudden life span changes, absence of spiritual beings among men directly, plant growth, light, properties of matter regarding heat production, and retention, ett etc..we can logically proceed to a conclusion that the bible indicates it was different, indeed.

The differences are many, and clear, both in the future, and in the far past, and I have mentioned a lot of them often.

 

[Nostromo]

I suppose it is legal to live on Gilligan's Island in a shack, and home school from a coloring book.

You tell me you're reasonable and then continue to deal out this inanely colourful rhetoric rather than addressing the point in a straightforward manner.

Yes, ToE is taught in schools, but noone is forcing anyone to believe it, just remember it and answer questions on it later. That might seem pointless to anyone who thinks ToE is nonsense, but what teenager hasn't bemoaned the futility of spending every Friday afternoon in double Geography so they can memorise information they'll forget the day after the exams.

So? They would have been a lot closer to truth, that the utterly lying and baseless fables they are subjected to by force. The earlier Inquisition never had as many victims.

The main difference being that few of its victims got off as lightly as having to sit through a lesson they didn't like. That and their actions were based on entirely subjective measures.

If you don't see the difference between biology lessons and murdering or torturing people for having a different opinion or practicing some kind of dark art that cannot be shown to exist, then I fear your moral compass might be slightly wonky.

Yes, it is unreasonable for God to be wrong, and we have His word.

How about a straight answer? Could you be wrong in thinking that the Bible is the word of God?

There is NO chance that man descended from apes. None. Claiming such Satanic lies, is to do so without any possible proof, or evidence.

There is evidence. A heck of a lot more evidence than the Bible will ever have.

The problem is that if you're not actually willing to admit that you could be wrong, there's no way for you to impartially examine the evidence for alternate views and assess its merit.

You tell me you're reasonable, but you're not reasoning here, just dictating your opinion over and over.

 

[Split Rock]

See. science that is only in the future or past is so called science. No earthly good at all. Yet it id foisted on innocents as science. It does NOTHING but try to destroy faith in the truth. The bible, including the clear differences in the creation era, and future is real knowledge, of a time to come, and a time that was! So called science opposes and exalts itself above that, with lying vanities.

You creationists all ways make the same mistakes. You think you can pick and choose what parts of science you can keep and what parts you can toss out. The problem is that it is all connected. There is no science that is only about the past or future.

When we find pillow lava in the geological column, it looks just like pillow lava forming today. We know how it forms because we can watch it form. If it is the same as the pillow lava we find in the column, it obviously formed the same way. When we find Stromatolites in the geological column, we know they formed in the same way as they do today, because they are exactly the same. When we find banded iron formations, we know they formed by the oxidation of iron salts in the early oceans, and that means before that time period that there was little free oxygen in the atmosphere. I could go on, but you should get the point by now.

I remember when you first talked abut your split/merge nonsense here in this forum. You cannot fool me now, dad. You said you had come up with a way of reconciling what science says about the earth with your interpretation of scripture. Deep time, you said was an illusion caused by "the Split," and the earth was really not billions of years old. Before the Split the laws of physics were different. Not becasue of what scripture said, but because it gave you an ad hoc means of reconciling your understanding of scripture with our understanding of the earth. Period. No revelation from God. No new understanding of what the authors of The Bible meant. It was all ad hoc and it still is.

The technology, once again (you need an echo, you won't listen the first few times) -has NOTHING to do with so called science.

See above.

No, you showed no such foolishness. You merely pointed out the obvious, that some have interpreted it that way. Many also interpret it as including more.

Most Christians interpret it that way.. why? Because that is what is "obvious."

When we look at the sudden life span changes, absence of spiritual beings among men directly, plant growth, light, properties of matter regarding heat production, and retention, ett etc..we can logically proceed to a conclusion that the bible indicates it was different, indeed.

Who is "we" dad? You are in a Church of One. Just you... no "we."

The differences are many, and clear, both in the future, and in the far past, and I have mentioned a lot of them often.

Clear only to "God's Little Echo." But then, you are God's new prophet on earth... aren't you, dad?

 

[dad]

You tell me you're reasonable and then continue to deal out this inanely colourful rhetoric rather than addressing the point in a straightforward manner.

A serious situation demands a serious response. If you think colorful is bad, then I suggest that it depends on what side of the colorful you are on. My end of the rainbow looks fine, thanks.

Yes, ToE is taught in schools, but noone is forcing anyone to believe it, just remember it and answer questions on it later.

They are forcing people to be exposed to it. No one is forced to drown when exposed to water, however, after a while the choice no longer exists.

That might seem pointless to anyone who thinks ToE is nonsense, but what teenager hasn't bemoaned the futility of spending every Friday afternoon in double Geography so they can memorise information they'll forget the day after the exams.

Geography is no excuse for teaching lies, like the evolving of creatures beyond the limits of where it is proven to exist.

The main difference being that few of its victims got off as lightly as having to sit through a lesson they didn't like. That and their actions were based on entirely subjective measures.

Well, being separated from God is not a light thing, and those that offend the little ones like that will one day learn the meaning of victim.

If you don't see the difference between biology lessons and murdering or torturing people for having a different opinion or practicing some kind of dark art that cannot be shown to exist, then I fear your moral compass might be slightly wonky.How about a straight answer? Could you be wrong in thinking that the Bible is the word of God?There is evidence. A heck of a lot more evidence than the Bible will ever have.

Biology has nothing to do with evolving from anything other than created creatures.

The problem is that if you're not actually willing to admit that you could be wrong, there's no way for you to impartially examine the evidence for alternate views and assess its merit.

There is no way for God to be wrong, regardless of the spin you try to put onn evidence.

You tell me you're reasonable, but you're not reasoning here, just dictating your opinion over and over.

Reason does not mean abandoning truth and fact for fables.

 

[dad]

You creationists all ways make the same mistakes. You think you can pick and choose what parts of science you can keep and what parts you can toss out. The problem is that it is all connected.

Only in the twisted imagination of godless so called science devotees. In actual fact, nothing is connected to an unproven same state past. The only connection is imaginary.

There is no science that is only about the past or future.

I agree. Science is firmly stuck in the present.

When we find pillow lava in the geological column, it looks just like pillow lava forming today. We know how it forms because we can watch it form. If it is the same as the pillow lava we find in the column, it obviously formed the same way.

So, is there any pillow lava from pre flood? If so, where is it? Let's check the atomic structure, and microscopic details. You make the claim, you support it.

When we find Stromatolites in the geological column, we know they formed in the same way as they do today, because they are exactly the same.

Woah. Let's look at some modern ones living today. Seems like the experts are less certain than you..

"But it’s not just their varied shapes that makes them so interesting. It’s the fact that no one knows how they formed...

Cyanobacteria in other locations are famous for building a variety of structures, from thick rubbery mats to layered dome-like structures known as stromatolites, which are thought to have been the dominant form of life on early Earth. Today, though, they are rare, existing only in extreme environments.

Chris McKay of NASA Ames Research Center. McKay was one of the first scientists to scuba dive in Pavilion Lake. “When you look at structures like this, the standard hypothesis is that organisms are playing a role in creating them. But we haven’t proven that here.”

Looking for Life on Mars – in a Canadian Lake

When we find banded iron formations, we know they formed by the oxidation of iron salts in the early oceans, and that means before that time period that there was little free oxygen in the atmosphere. I could go on, but you should get the point by now.

No. You may know how they now form.

I remember when you first talked abut your split/merge nonsense here in this forum. You cannot fool me now, dad. You said you had come up with a way of reconciling what science says about the earth with your interpretation of scripture. Deep time, you said was an illusion caused by "the Split," and the earth was really not billions of years old. Before the Split the laws of physics were different. Not becasue of what scripture said, but because it gave you an ad hoc means of reconciling your understanding of scripture with our understanding of the earth. Period. No revelation from God. No new understanding of what the authors of The Bible meant. It was all ad hoc and it still is.

Vague balderdash. The different state past is a way of seeing how the bible was right, and where science gets off.

Most Christians interpret it that way.. why? Because that is what is "obvious."

Commentators have different opinions. It is not something that was black and white, and understood fully. With the newer evidence of science, such as the continental separation, combined with the info on the past in history and the bible, we can add a little depth to our former comprehension of that event.

Clear only to "God's Little Echo." But then, you are God's new prophet on earth... aren't you, dad?

You are starting to sound obsessive.

 

[Nostromo]

How about a straight answer? Could you be wrong in thinking that the Bible is the word of God?

I wonder how many times you could reply and just pretend that I never asked, or answer a different question.

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

Dad
Im sure you just missed it.

How about a straight answer? Could you be wrong in thinking that the Bible is the word of God?.

Mind answering that one? Im just interested in your answer.