Missing link was a lie

[dad]

The sacred nature of the Koran is not negtiable for muslims.

It doesn't go back very far!

The sacred nature of the Talmud is not negotiable for Jews.

That is tradition, the scripture trumps that.

There are no sacred texts. There are only people who are affraid to get their illusions in their favourit book lost.

No? Let me guess, there are no Alps, either?

 

[driewerf]

Very well, I will focus on this one:

It's called 'the fossil record'! Hyper evolution means evolving in a very different, and fast way. It started from created kinds, not a pond.

How does the fossil record support rapid evolution?
How do you make the difference between your alleged rapid evolution, and the conventional view on evolution?

The fossil record is the only record man has, other than the bible.

While you mentionned yourself astronomical data, archeological data, geological data... Aren't these records in your opinion?

There, we have all kinds on the ark at a certain time, and only so much time for all the evolving to happen.

Really. I will not go into these ark-fantasies. They are too ridicoulous.

In other words, we see that there were changes, but we have only assumed that they took place slowly, as now.

Strange. Since we have records of ancient civilisation, no evolution, has been seen. The elephants with which Hannibal crossed the Alps were the same as now. This narrows donw very thightly the time in which elephants had to evolve... according to your speculations.

 

[driewerf]

It doesn't go back very far!

That is tradition, the scripture trumps that.

No? Let me guess, there are no Alps, either?

In your Universe, maybe.

 

[Split Rock]

How about answering my question, "God's Little Echo?"

I keep asking, but you dodge, weave and ignore me. Why are you a Lonely Church of One, if this is all so obvious and "immutable?"

 

[sandwiches]

It doesn't go back very far!

That is tradition, the scripture trumps that.

No? Let me guess, there are no Alps, either?

Special pleading is dad's favorite little fallacy.

The Bible is special because it's the Bible, amirite?

 

[dad]

Very well, I will focus on this one:


How does the fossil record support rapid evolution?
How do you make the difference between your alleged rapid evolution, and the conventional view on evolution?

The real question is, 'why would I need to'?? How do you force the evidence into a present state origin? How would you know what state the world was in when the creatures died? Let's stick to what is KNOWN. We know that they died. We also see some divergence. Created kinds as the starting point, fits the bill something fierce there!

While you mentionned yourself astronomical data, archeological data, geological data... Aren't these records in your opinion?

Really. I will not go into these ark-fantasies. They are too ridicoulous.

That merely reflects how far what you thought you knew, differs from what actually went down.

Strange. Since we have records of ancient civilisation, no evolution, has been seen.

The evidence mounts then! The civilizations are post flood. How much evolution would we expect? Yet, I notice Neanderthal man, and all sorts of different species, etc..! So there had to be a window after the flood, where hyper evolution still was the order of the day. That is what the evidence indicates.

The elephants with which Hannibal crossed the Alps were the same as now. This narrows donw very thightly the time in which elephants had to evolve... according to your speculations.

Relax. Hanibal was decidedly post split.

 

[sandwiches]

The real question is, 'why would I need to'?? How do you force the evidence into a present state origin? How would you know what state the world was in when the creatures died? Let's stick to what is KNOWN. We know that they died. We also see some divergence. Created kinds as the starting point, fits the bill something fierce there!

That merely reflects how far what you thought you knew, differs from what actually went down.

The evidence mounts then! The civilizations are post flood. How much evolution would we expect? Yet, I notice Neanderthal man, and all sorts of different species, etc..! So there had to be a window after the flood, where hyper evolution still was the order of the day. That is what the evidence indicates.

Relax. Hanibal was decidedly post split.

So, more special pleading. You claim that cities floated, animals and people didn't die and other such nonsense, without any objectively verifiable evidence to backup your claim and then, without missing a stride, you claim that there's no way that we can know that the state of the universe was similar to today's.

I see you're well-versed in typical Biblical special pleading, appeal to authority, and begging the question.

So, please tell us more about floating Jerusalem, while I wait for my mole to be done.

 

[dad]

In your Universe, maybe.

My universe is this temporal one at the moment. The one you can't take back to creation week, or the flood era, or anywhere much past your nose.

 

[dad]

So, more special pleading. You claim that cities floated,

Say what?? Cities floated??? Get a grip.

animals and people didn't die and other such nonsense, without any objectively verifiable evidence to backup your claim and then, without missing a stride, you claim that there's no way that we can know that the state of the universe was similar to today's.

You also can't confirm or deny the facts of creation week, the future, or the flood era, now can you?? People didn't die???/ I know of no such people! Adam died. Noah died. Paul the apostle died...?? Don't make stuff up.

I see you're well-versed in typical Biblical special pleading, appeal to authority, and begging the question.

No. I don't beg. Thank you very much. Now cut your same state past begging, and pleading against a God and bible that are way way beyond the reach of temporal state so called science.

So, please tell us more about floating Jerusalem, while I wait for my mole to be done.

Do you use ketchup on your mole? The future isn't here yet, sorry that seems to be news to you.

 

[dad]

How about answering my question, "God's Little Echo?"

My beliefs for the most part are shared by all believers that ever lived. My unique findings and deductions on the different state past are new, so they will take some time to be added to the common knowledge of believers.

 

[Tomatoman]

dad:

My unique findings and deductions on the different state past are new, so they will take some time to be added to the common knowledge of believers.

Not going very well so far, is it.

 

[Split Rock]

My beliefs for the most part are shared by all believers that ever lived. My unique findings and deductions on the different state past are new, so they will take some time to be added to the common knowledge of believers.

Your arrogance and hubris is impressive dad. It will just take some time, huh? No chance you are completetly wrong, is there "God's Little Echo?"

 

[Split Rock]

dad:


Not going very well so far, is it.

It's tough being God's newest Prophet.

 

[sandwiches]

Say what?? Cities floated??? Get a grip.

You also can't confirm or deny the facts of creation week, the future, or the flood era, now can you?? People didn't die???/ I know of no such people! Adam died. Noah died. Paul the apostle died...?? Don't make stuff up.

I thought you were the one who claimed something about Jerusalem landing on Earth before there was gravity or some other nonsense. If that wasn't you, I apologize.

No. I don't beg. Thank you very much. Now cut your same state past begging, and pleading against a God and bible that are way way beyond the reach of temporal state so called science.

Do you use ketchup on your mole? The future isn't here yet, sorry that seems to be news to you.

So, do you have any objectively verifiable evidence that the past beyond what's been scientifically recorded had different states for things like radioactive decay, speed of light, etc?

 

[BananaSlug]

Really? Looks like the list is less than complete..

Some disagreement exists as to whether the fragments were even arranged in the right place!

Then why do you claim that is it an accurate portrayal of ancient kings? If the list is not accurate for dates of reign, what makes it accurate for mentioning "spirit" kings?

"constantly disagreeing on how much was missing and how to put the pieces together. It was not until 1938 that Guilio Farina succeeded in making a definitive restoration of the document which was then preserved between two pieces of glass, although there was still some disagreement about his reconstruction....

After all, "after Drovetti threw it into a box and took it back toEurope,where he sold it the king od Sardinia, it was nothing but a pile of jumbled fragments."

New fragments of the Turin King Llst: Fresh light on the pharaohs:

I couldn't load the page. In any case, if you claim it is so inaccurate, why do you continue to use it?

Now a quick look at the actual rulers and dates they ruled seems to yield bizarre results?!

" Djehuty (Thoth), 7,726 years"

Turin Kings List

You really think this is good for dating? Seriously?

So if you think the list is lying about the reign of Thoth then what makes it accurate about "gods" as kings? All it shows is humanity's capability to deify ancient rulers. Just because some of it is exaggerated does not mean the whole thing is.

Really? So tell us about the spook that ruled seven thousand plus years..

Humanity's capability to ascribe great deeds and feats to ancient people.

It contains spirits! Boo.

If it is so untrustworthy as a source of dates, what makes it any different about ancient spirit kings?

The unknown scribbler is hardly a reliable source for actual dates. Especially not near the beginning of Egypt, which likely would be right after the flood time.

Conversely, an unknown scribbler is hardly a reliable source for the reliability of "spirit" kings. I still haven't heard a counter for 3,000 years of Egyptian history being fit into a 2,000 year time span.

How would you know what was ascribed to Mohammad or Buddha never happened? Why do you claim such things??

So you believe that Mohammad ascended into heaven by angels? You believe that Buddha walked on water and was protected by a naga as he sat under the Bodhi tree to reach enlightenment?

Getting from cleopatra to the first rulers is a stretch. You have no reliable dating to do that.

So the kings listed from Menes to Cleopatra are all fake with made up dates? Do you have any reliable evidence to back this up?

So now you claim that your source makes things up! OK. I have no reason to assume that, despite their weak records on years, and even kings, that they lied outright. I give them the benefit of the doubt, and assume they are merely stupido.

All I have claimed is that later Egyptian culture deified pharaohs so it is no surprise that they did the same with the earliest rulers.

Because they are fragmentary, and ridiculous records, maybe made by some insane scribbler for all we know. He was unknown. Some kings are unknown, or erased, some have silly years marked, and etc etc.

So now you are claiming they are ridiculous? In earlier posts you mentioned how the Turin list mentions "spirits" as rulers and how it proves your "different state" past nonsense. Now you are claiming they are "ridiculous records made by some insane scribbler". Funny, funny, funny...

In what way do they belive that? Do they think their mayor is a ghost? Or, like bible believers, do they merely realize that spirits inhabit people?

They are animistic, they believe that spirits live everywhere. Spirits can take the form of animals or people. To animistic cultures the spirit world and physical world are inseparable.

It means if we rapidly slide a continent hundreds of miles, we will get heat...hence molten rock.

I thought there was no heat in the "different state" past? To me that sounds like heat caused by friction and pressure, the same as today in the present state. Ergo, the past was the same as the present.

Right, however, how do seismic waves react when they encounter something that is also spiritual? For all I know, they behave as they would for liquid up here.That means if it is spiritual material down thar, all seismic readings are no better than tea leaves! They do not know...really. They have godless religious assumptions, based on nothing, repeat nothing at all!

So if the core is spiritual also, then that means the "split" never happened since the spiritual is still connected to the physical. So which is it, did the spiritual and physical separate or not? Seismic readings show the core is molten, according to you the core is spiritual also matter which contradicts your statements on "present state" matter no longer being spiritual also.

No. I said that the heat was not enough to kill life, and that it was not retained that long. However, remember that the continental separation was likely a result of the split! That means at least by the time it was complete, or near complete, we were right here in this state! So, we would get some heat, depending on how long stuff moved, and how far, in this state!

So heat being created from movement is no different than today. Heat is being created by the earth in this state that does not kill life, unless you jump into the lava.

No doubt. But no evidence that said reversals happened in this present state! Moot.

The fact is that it has happened several times in the past.

We don't know that. Not any longer than we observed it. How fast the sea floor spread when continents were racing apart in the split is another matter, than how fast man saw them move for a few hundred years.

So are you claiming that the magnetic poles have changed several dozen times in the past few thousand years?

I don't know it was done in a past state. You need to have details. I deal in facts.

You have consistently claimed that the physical laws of the past were different from the physical laws of the present. We know that pillow lava is formed in aquatic environments. If we find pillow lava in the geologic record, no matter how old it is, whether it is on top of a mountain or in the middle of the desert, we know that it was formed underwater. You have also claimed that you can explain ANY event in the past state. Since you have consistently been unable to explain how pillow lava would form differently in the "past state", I now claim victory.

 

[dad]

dad:


Not going very well so far, is it.

Yes, it is going amazingly well. I understand in detail now, the reasons science cannot oppose the bible. In fact, if a court of law were to hear the case from a scientist for a same state past, it would be tossed out as unsupported. That might be a good angle to spend some creo coin on, and sue the bejinkers out of the public education system!

It is easy to prove that all claims of science rest on the premise of the present having existed and being exppected to exist...for NO reason!

 

[dad]

It's tough being God's newest Prophet.

I know the opposition is trembling when they stoop to patronizing. I guess you figure someone has to be some sort of prophet to bust science. Ho hum, now that their foundation is exposed, almost anyone can chew the best of em up for breakfast.

 

[dad]

Your arrogance and hubris is impressive dad. It will just take some time, huh? No chance you are completetly wrong, is there "God's Little Echo?"

I have little or nothing to do with it. There was NO chance God was wrong. That is impressive, when the details of why start to filter out..!

 

[Tomatoman]

dad:

Yes, it is going amazingly well. I understand in detail now, the reasons science cannot oppose the bible. In fact, if a court of law were to hear the case from a scientist for a same state past, it would be tossed out as unsupported. That might be a good angle to spend some creo coin on, and sue the bejinkers out of the public education system!

Good luck with that.

You do realise that you'd be the one putting forward a case for a different state past, don't you? You don't, do you? And that is precisely why it would be fun to watch.

 

[Split Rock]

Yes, it is going amazingly well. I understand in detail now, the reasons science cannot oppose the bible. In fact, if a court of law were to hear the case from a scientist for a same state past, it would be tossed out as unsupported. That might be a good angle to spend some creo coin on, and sue the bejinkers out of the public education system!

Already tried by members of your creationist apologetics ilk... and failed. It was called: Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District (Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). You wouldn't even have gotten as far as they did.

It is easy to prove that all claims of science rest on the premise of the present having existed and being exppected to exist...for NO reason!

No reason? Now you are bearing false witness. I am shocked that God's New Prophet would stop so low and disobey one of God's Commandments... shame on you!

I know the opposition is trembling when they stoop to patronizing. I guess you figure someone has to be some sort of prophet to bust science. Ho hum, now that their foundation is exposed, almost anyone can chew the best of em up for breakfast.

LOL! You have not lost your sense of humor! So, God's Little Echo is going to take down science all by his lonesome.... can't wait to see that! When do you start?

I have little or nothing to do with it. There was NO chance God was wrong. That is impressive, when the details of why start to filter out..!

We are not claiming God was wrong, you arrogant, hubris-filled, blasphemer. JUST YOU! Only a Prophet of God should be so very sure of his particular interpretation of scripture equals God's Inerrant Word. Therefore, in your twisted little mind, you must be a prophet. Still claim I am "patronizing" you?