Misconceptions about Protestants

[Lively Stone]

I like how you claim to be religious in the first half of that post, then start calling religion a bad thing.

I make no claim for myself. I do not ascribe to religion per se. I have a relationship with the living God. that is what He calls us all to...not to a church or a religion.

You didn't even read the definition of "religion" when I posted it earlier, did you?

Hey, I have been around a long time. I know definitions, and I have read it many times. Following Christ is not a religious exercise.

 

[laconicstudent]

I make no claim for myself. I do not ascribe to religion per se. I have a relationship with the living God. that is what He calls us all to...not to a church or a religion.

You just said "As a follower of Jesus Christ, and being transformed into His image, I am a sister to others who love and follow after Him" That is the definition of someone who is religious. Come now, attempting to turn "religion" into a negative buzzword is becoming somewhat tedious.

Hey, I have been around a long time. I know definitions, and I have read it many times.

You haven't exactly been showing that you know what it means....

Following Christ is not a religious exercise.

Yes, it is, if you consider yourself part of a community of believers, shape your beliefs and practices according to your beliefs, and your beliefs of the universe are informed by Christ.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

but you have to read what she said however,

she was saying someone could go murder someone,

get baptized

then get in a car wreck

and go to heaven .

its the faith that saves not the baptism .

even the person receiving the sacrament needs to believe for it to be effective .

Yes, I said all those things. What about them?

I don't know what you mean by "it's the faith that saves, not the baptism" and then you say "the person receiving the sacrament needs to believe for it to be effective" -- which is it? Is Baptism made effective and thus salvific by faith or is salvific faith entirely separate from Baptism?

 

[Lively Stone]

You just said "As a follower of Jesus Christ, and being transformed into His image, I am a sister to others who love and follow after Him" That is the definition of someone who is religious. Come now, attempting to turn "religion" into a negative buzzword is becoming somewhat tedious.

LOL! No it isn't!

Religiosity is a negative. It competes with freedom in Christ.

You haven't exactly been showing that you know what it means....

It means that we aren't driven by dogma and church doctrine, dogma and ritual, but we are led by the Spirit of Christ and His word, and conformed to Him.

Yes, it is, if you consider yourself part of a community of believers, shape your beliefs and practices according to your beliefs, and your beliefs of the universe are informed by Christ.

Jesus is my Lord and my friend. I do not ascribe to religion or religiosity.

 

[laconicstudent]

LOL! No it isn't!

Religiosity is a negative. It competes with freedom in Christ.


It means that we aren't driven by dogma and church doctrine, dogma and ritual, but we are led by the Spirit of Christ and His word, and conformed to Him.




Jesus is my Lord and my friend. I do not ascribe to religion or religiosity.

You believe in Jesus? Then you are a religious.

re·li·gion

   /rɪˈlɪdʒ

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–noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic . religious rites.

8. Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.

 

[Lively Stone]

You believe in Jesus? Then you are a religious.

re·li·gion

   /rɪˈlɪdʒ

ən/ Show Spelled[ri-lij-uh

n] Show IPA
–noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic . religious rites.

8. Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.

I absolutely am not religious. Jesus hated religiosity, and shouted at those who were, calling them appropriate names as well. I hate what he hates---we all should.

 

[laconicstudent]

I absolutely am not religious. Jesus hated religiosity, and shouted at those who were, calling them appropriate names as well. I hate what he hates---we all should.

Jesus hates those who believe in him? You aren't making any sense in light of what the words you are using actually mean.

 

[Lively Stone]

Jesus hates those who believe in him? You aren't making any sense in light of what the words you are using actually mean.

Do you purposely try to oppose?

Are you a true seeker or not? Perhaps you need to change your designation.

Jesus hated the religious fronts of the people of His day. He never taught religion or showed His disciples how to be religious.

If I am not making sense, I cannot help that. It is the truth that one discovers when walking intimately with Jesus Christ. We do not need all the trappings of religion and ritual. We only need Jesus and His word, and to simply obey Him.

 

[laconicstudent]

Do you purposely try to oppose?

Only when people are purposely abusing the English language.

Are you a true seeker or not? Perhaps you need to change your designation.

Relevance? And why would I?

Jesus hated the religious people of His day.

He hated some of them.

he never taught religion or showed His disciples how to be religious.

Jesus never told the disciples to believe in Him? I suppose there would be some Muslims on this forum who would agree with that.

If I am not making sense, I cannot help that. It is the truth that one discovers when walking intimately with Jesus Christ. We do not need all the trappings of religion and ritual. We only need Jesus and His word, and to simply obey Him.

You aren't making sense because you are ignoring what a word means.

"Taxi smash Padirajah purple."

That sentence doesn't make sense either? See the problem when we ignore what words actually mean?

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

In my utter disbelief at you even mentioning the issue of "formula for Baptism," I really have to ask you your opinion on the following:

some will declare a Baptism NOT done in the Name of Jesus to be invalid. Others will say the Trinity needs to be invoked. Now a thinking person would say that "I Baptize you in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which IS the Name of Jesus," would cover all bases. How do you stand?

Woah what? What is "I Baptize you in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which IS the Name of Jesus," supposed to mean?

Ah - here you make things simple! All Pr's are heretics, do not have Faith, and therefore do not have "the effect of Baptism." So those are your true colors but the question is - is that your final answer?

Or perhaps things are a tad more complicated than that?

Did you actually read the rest of the post?

Again I object to your usage of the word "heresy." IF you can pinpoint, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, how some historic error, resolved within the Church before 600AD, is being repeated in our time - I say the word "heresy" is not unduly divisive.

Huh? Since when is the definition of "heresy", "some historic error, resolved within the Church before AD 600"? What happened in AD 600 that distinguished errors before then heresy and errors after then unimportant?

Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith

Anyway, read the rest of my post that you were responding to, you seemed to have stopped at the part where heretics do not have faith.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I absolutely am not religious. Jesus hated religiosity, and shouted at those who were, calling them appropriate names as well. I hate what he hates---we all should.

You mean like "hypocrites"

Job 15:34 That congregation of hypocrites stark shall be desolate, and fire devours tents of bribery.

Matthew 23:15 Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!..............
Matt 23:38 Lo! left to ye desolate the House of ye!

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

That's an awfully optimistic viewpoint, thinking that we're headed in the right direction, globally.

Modernism, like all heresies, is unsustainable. It will die out of necessity. That may involve the Catholic Church becoming much smaller, Pope Benedict has said words to that effect on more that one occasion.

So whether we are going in the right direction is a matter of where you are standing. If you are standing with the orthodox faithful (and this is a way of living a holy life, not just paying lip-service to doctrinal/moral positions), you are moving towards spiritual growth and God. But if you are standing with the modernists (which, again, does not just regard doctrinal/moral positions but an entire impious way of life), you are spiritually starving and moving away from God.

So as for the individual, it is up to them whether they are headed in the right direction or not -- whether they are climbing the stairway to Heaven or slouching towards Hell. As for the global direction, we all know how it will turn out -- tribulation followed by the Parousia; things are going to get a lot worse before the final victory.

We have two duties in life -- our primary duty is to save our own soul; secondarily, we are supposed to try to save as many other people as we can. So the world as a whole is, of course, going to hell in a handbasket, but we can still do what we can to live a holy life ourselves and lead as many people as we can to Christ so they can do the same.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

IOW, the center of RC worship is "to educate against Pr."

That depends on what you mean by "the center of Catholic worship". Yes, there is usually a sermon between the two parts of the Mass so in that sense it is in the center. Sometimes there is discussion of Protestantism and false ideas which have seeped into the Catholic Church (e.g. we've had sermons on Charismaticism and OSAS).

But if you mean the central focus and purpose of Catholic worship, it is not the sermon. Preaching is talking amongst ourselves, it is teaching and exhortations, yes, but it is not worship? Do you consider sermons to be worship?

The central focus of Catholic worship is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, whether or not a sermon is present is entirely adjunct.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Tis a battle between David[Refomers] and Goliath [RCC].
My bet is with David [the Reformers]

http://www.christianforums.com/t2562238/
Was God behind the Reformation?

 

[laconicstudent]

Tis a battle between David[Refomers] and Goliath [RCC].
My bet is with David [the Reformers]

http://www.christianforums.com/t2562238/
Was God behind the Reformation?

That's a poor comparison, David actually killed Goliath, all the Reformers managed was the splintering of Western Christendom into countless tiny pieces.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

When did that practice of sermons start in the RCC mass?

Sorry, I thought I was clear -- Trent. Prior to that, sermons were either before or after Mass or entirely separate. That is when they decided to put sermons between the Mass of the Catechumens (readings and such) and the Mass of the Faithful (the actual Canon and Communion).

I don't have a source to quote, I heard it mentioned during a recording of Fr. Chad Ripperger, FSSP., series of talks on the Liturgy. I thought it was an interesting fact.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That's a poor comparison, David actually killed Goliath, all the Reformers managed was the splintering of Western Christendom into countless tiny pieces.

Yes.
Sad but true.......

edit to add: time for me to hit the sack.....g'night


http://www.christianforums.com/t6790703-30/#post43066817
Great Schism and effect on Christianity and Theology

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Seriously? Can't that be un-done just on the grounds of sheer tackiness? Or do we need to make a whip ...

Some have their own espresso stands so you can get your caffeine fix too.

James River Assembly

On the website, there is a Flash gallery of pictures, the Starbucks is near the very end.

Of course, some other people prefer something a bit stronger.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Lots of defects in the people that run the churches, whether they be of the Roman Catholic denomination or any other.

There is no defect in Jesus Christ.

And nobody said otherwise.

 

[Heavens]

This is my religion

(Jas 1:27) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.