Misconceptions about Protestants

[razeontherock]

well maybe if you read it you might know what they teach instead of presumming what they teach and maybe just maybe when someone post's in an online chat forum that they are not the official word of their particular Church and are just posting their own thoughts and opinons. How crazy would that be?

I presume nothing. I call out what looks like nonsense to me. Is a straight answer too much to ask for?

"Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment.... For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God.... His conscience is man's most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths."[47]

I truly can't stomach reading much of this sort of thing, but to me it sounds like RC does NOT teach that "conscience is an act of our intellect," which is the statement I objected to. So you have a strange way of telling me you agree with me!

Why not just stick with Scripture?

Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness"


This isn't good enough? You're seriously going to stand by any statement like that? I see 0 value in what you posted, over and above even these tiniest snippets of Scripture on the subject. It'd be one thing if Scripture were silent on the matter, but it's not ... neither do I see any "2 ways of reading this."

 

[razeontherock]

No, they don't.

This is a silly response. Every bit as silly as when you compare all Pr's to the bad experience you had in one Church. That word "they" can become awfully tribal!

Much better just to point out the over-generalization, and correct the post you were responding to, reflecting that he was referring to individuals. Individuals that represent a teeny fraction of 1% of the whole he was commenting on.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Pope John Paul II had a rather different view of charismatics. He was fully supportive of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. I suspect that many of the saints of the Church would also take a rather different view of the gifts of the Spirit.

I have nothing against the gifts of the Holy Ghost (how could I?) -- either the ordinary gifts or the extraordinary gifts. I just have a serious problem with the what Charismatics (Protestants or [pseudo-]Catholics) claim is the gift of speaking in tongues (and some other issues). There are saints who had the gift of speaking in tongues -- but they did not babble nonsense.

Contrary to popular belief, Catholics are not subject to the personal whims and opinions of the current pope. Just because Pope John Paul II and, to a lesser degree, Pope Benedict XVI, have recognized the Charismatic Catholic Movement doesn't necessarily legitimize it.

Obviously, this movement of the Holy Spirit is not limited to Catholics. The Renewal of the 70's included Catholics, Anglicans, Presbyterians and many others. There many programs today that emphasize evangelism and releasing the gifts of the SPirit. These programs exist in Catholic churches, in Catholic prayer groups as well as in those of other denomination.

I should highlight the part of about the 1970s.

Make some felt banners, sing Kumbayah, and "release the gifts of the Spirit" -- I'm glad the 70s are over.

Hippies of the Religious Right - Preston Shires.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*
I should highlight the part of about the 1970s.

Make some felt banners, sing Kumbayah, and "release the gifts of the Spirit" -- I'm glad the 70s are over.

I would give all I have to go back to the 70s

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

I would give all I have to go back to the 70s

To be 40 years younger, all the hippie nonsense or the awesome clothes?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

To be 40 years younger or for all the hippie nonsense?

Both.....

 

[razeontherock]

Well, why not use the term "heresy" instead?

If you are referring to a group who you believe has an incorrect belief on an essential issue, you should refer to them as a "heresy" to be more clear, "cult" already has several accepted meanings.

Ok, so here's another misconception RC's have about Pr's:

that we're about to suddenly accept RC terminology! I woulda never thought I'd actually see that one in print either

Why not use the term heresy? Because it refers to Faithful and devout believers that were TORTURED, MAIMED and KILLED by YOUR Church.

I hope that's clear enough for you? Please, let's not go there again, ok? Inserting boiling lead into a person's veins never had ANY power to purge from sin. I see no other reason to use the word heresy other than to conjure up such heinous images.

But wouldn't that be the same problem a Catholic would have with a Baptist teaching their children about Jesus? They don't believe the same things about Jesus as we do,

You a funny girl. Baptists teach He became a werewolf on the full moon? If you could for a minute ditch the schismatic things you've been taught and recognize the truth of the matter, you'd see ... wait, that's the point of this whole thread, isn't it?

Why not just spell out your perceptions of what horrible things Baptists teach about who Jesus is?

Many parents at my parish, and other traditional Catholic parishes, for that reason especially don't even send their children to Catholic schools -- most have become so liberal they are no longer trustworthy educators

Don't look now but you just agreed with a Pr. (Then again my kids were homeschooled, and I do everything in my own business)

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Too much control for me. yikes.

Maybe they have the "mind of Christ" instead.

Where does Christ say it is okay to participate in false religions?

 

[Standing Up]

Can ya prove dat

As well as anyone else

 

[boswd]

I presume nothing. I call out what looks like nonsense to me. Is a straight answer too much to ask for?



I truly can't stomach reading much of this sort of thing, but to me it sounds like RC does NOT teach that "conscience is an act of our intellect," which is the statement I objected to. So you have a strange way of telling me you agree with me!

Why not just stick with Scripture?

Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness"


This isn't good enough? You're seriously going to stand by any statement like that? I see 0 value in what you posted, over and above even these tiniest snippets of Scripture on the subject. It'd be one thing if Scripture were silent on the matter, but it's not ... neither do I see any "2 ways of reading this."

what exactly can't you stomach/ the fact that this is what the Catholic Church actually teaches about conscience and you can't stomach the fact you "gasp'.... you may agree?

Now i don't know what type of personally issues you may have had with the Catholic Church, but it seems to me everything and anything to do with the Catholic Church seem bring upon rage and knee jerk reactions to automatically disagree .

i mean what part of 'For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God.... " can't you stomach?

something tells me if this was written by an Evangelical or even an EO you would have responded with an

 

[razeontherock]

We like Christian rock and roll, pizza, the message Bible, like to throw the Spirit at you (or beat it into you with a jacket) and think Icons are the devil. what more do you need to know?

This is GREAT Ya gotta clue me in on beating the Spirit into you with a jacket though?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Where does Christ say it is okay to participate in false religions?

Great question!

 

[razeontherock]

There's a couple seriously scary things in this one post:

Doesn't your version of the Holy Spirit involve blowing on people and knocking them down and babbling nonsense? That doesn't mean I deny any about the Holy Spirit just because I reject your false conception of Him.

Wow, could you exemplify the need for this thread's existence any better?

Baptism saves. if someone gets baptized and then gets hit by a car leaving the church, they will go straight to Heaven.

Notice the heart condition is irrelevant, the action is all that matters

 

[boswd]

Ok, so here's another misconception RC's have about Pr's:

that we're about to suddenly accept RC terminology! I woulda never thought I'd actually see that one in print either

Why not use the term heresy? Because it refers to Faithful and devout believers that were TORTURED, MAIMED and KILLED by YOUR Church.

I hope that's clear enough for you? Please, let's not go there again, ok? Inserting boiling lead into a person's veins never had ANY power to purge from sin. I see no other reason to use the word heresy other than to conjure up such heinous images.



You a funny girl. Baptists teach He became a werewolf on the full moon? If you could for a minute ditch the schismatic things you've been taught and recognize the truth of the matter, you'd see ... wait, that's the point of this whole thread, isn't it?

Why not just spell out your perceptions of what horrible things Baptists teach about who Jesus is?




Don't look now but you just agreed with a Pr. (Then again my kids were homeschooled, and I do everything in my own business)

ohh that's right because Protestant's never maimed, burned, hunged, tortured or killed who they considered heretics, now did they? Nooo

but yet we never see you fly off the handle at Baptist, who let's see not all that long ago hung up blacks, used the bible to distort the views on slavery and racial issues, but then head off to Church and sing his Glory, come back and beat them up some blacks.

Where is your oversized bolded text with them?

what a joke!!!!

 

[sunlover1]

So let me get this straight you are upset that your faith is being mischaractorized?

ohhh the irony

PTC wrote THIS:

Doesn't your version of the Holy Spirit involve blowing on people and knocking them down and babbling nonsense? I'm happy to deny that perverse view of God the Holy Spirit. Much of what I have seen on YouTube smacks of the demonic,

smh

 

[razeontherock]

Well here's another misconception about Pr's. What are we up to now, about 49?

sunlover1's mother may not have explained the reasons clearly but she did the right thing in forbidding her from attend a Baptist VBS.

Still looking for where Baptists teach Jesus ate His young, or whatever it is you object to that they say about HIM.

 

[tadoflamb]

ohh that's right because Protestant's never maimed, burned, hunged, tortured or killed who they considered heretics, now did they? Nooo

They did?!?

I thought only Catholics did that.

I guess I had a misconception about protestants.

 

[razeontherock]

"There are people in the Church who are sinners, therefore the Church can teach things which are false." I don't see the logic here.

Ok, how many are we up to now? The misconception on display here, is that Pr's don't see the logic here either.

 

[boswd]

PTC wrote THIS:


smh

and what the other poster write before that? It seems to be a tit for tat,a "let me insult you but how dare you insult me back."

but I guess that is SOP around here though.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

They did?!?

I thought only Catholics did that.

I guess I had a misconception about protestants.

Tis not your fault bro. Thou art forgiven