Mind Games

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · Sep 11, 2019

From : Aerial Toll-Houses - OrthodoxWiki

• The last, twentieth toll-house is the toll-house of Unmercifulness: failing to show mercy and charity to people, and being cruel in any way.

Playing mind games with people is Cruel and Unmerciful.

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ChicanaRose · Sep 11, 2019

Tone said:
Matthew 5:44
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"

You changed your avatar again, I didn't recognize you for sec. Yes, I will pray for my enemies.

bèlla · Sep 11, 2019

Melody Suttles said:
I wouldn't think of advising anyone to engage spirits. But I definitely want to encourage you to sever ALL TIES with any and all people in your life who are under the influence of any kind of violent, abusive, or manipulative demon. I believe this is wisdom.

We know our enemy. He is the architect of all evil and uses others to affect his schemes. But the battle is the Lord’s.

You are correct. Especially when they’ve given it control.

bèlla · Sep 11, 2019

ChicanaRose said:
Your words are so encouraging and speaks life.

The articles are so helpful, including parts 2 and 3. My experience is starting to make sense.

Thank you. ❤️

Observe with that in mind and see what you discern. What is meant to harm you will be your victory to come.

Job3315 · Sep 11, 2019

LaBèlla said:
Mind games. We’ve heard of them and recognize the damage they cause.

In your opinion, what drives the behavior? And how do you address it as a Christian?

I learned a long time ago that the only person I can control is myself; my emotions, my response, my decisions. So I am aware others might want to try to control me, but I am the only one who decides what I give out to others; my time, my possessions, my energy, my emotional support, etc. I assess what I am willing and can do. I also became very open about my decisions. The hardest were with some family members, but I stood firm and removed myself from conversations and drama.

In my opinion people don't take responsibility for their lives, so they are going around looking for others to control since they are not willing to control and confront themselve. We have a saying in my country, "The thieve judges by their condition". So people who play mind games like to control but don't like being controlled. The problem is that others, thinking they should be good and long suffering, think it is ok to become a doormat. The best thing you can do is learn how to say "no".

bèlla · Sep 11, 2019

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
The last, twentieth toll-house is the toll-house of Unmercifulness: failing to show mercy and charity to people, and being cruel in any way.

Playing mind games with people is Cruel and Unmerciful.

Thank you for sharing the link. The book and images are beautiful!

You are correct. It is cruel and that is troubling. Malice is harmful and always leads to further sin.

bèlla · Sep 11, 2019

Job3315 said:
The hardest were with some family members, but I stood firm and removed myself from conversations and drama.

I agree with your consensus. We can only control ourselves. Those with the Holy Spirit residing within them who walk with God will have little interest in controlling others.

You were wise to hold firm and remove yourself from unhealthy connections. I don’t believe we are meant to be doormats or ill treated. The long term effects of both are never good.

bèlla · Sep 11, 2019

@ChicanaRose

I just read these words. This is an excellent reminder for your calling.

For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it. —Isaiah 55:10-11

Pavel Mosko · Sep 11, 2019

LaBèlla said:
Mind games. We’ve heard of them and recognize the damage they cause.

In your opinion, what drives the behavior? And how do you address it as a Christian?

"Mind Games" colloquially speaking is a pretty general category...

You would be better off specifying it with something out of the actual "Games people play" book,
Games People Play (book) - Wikipedia

or maybe name something specific like gaslighting.

Gaslighting - Wikipedia

as for motivations, they can be pretty complex and varied. Lots of people are only semi aware of their true feelings. It is possible to be game play just because you are afraid of offending someone with an unpleasant truth, and then you get come to the more pathological people....

bèlla · Sep 11, 2019

Pavel Mosko said:
Mind Games is a pretty general category.

It was phrased that way to secure more feedback. I’ve read Berne’s book but that would limit the discussion to those who have.

And gaslighting often moves the discussion to narcissism. Some perpetrators have the disorder but many do not or are undiagnosed.

as for motivations, they can be pretty complex and varied. Lots of people are only semi aware of their true feelings. It is possible to be game play just because you are afraid of offending someone with an unpleasant truth, and then you get come to the more pathological people....

Correct. We’ll encounter several varieties in our lifetime. I wanted to hear how others have dealt with it.

Pavel Mosko · Sep 11, 2019

So much of the everyday world has games. I just watched this video last night that covered one of my favorite films of the 90s, Office Space.

Neogaia777 · Sep 11, 2019

It's all fun and games until it rips society apart and the whole world burns...

It makes me very angry, what are the points to these stupid little games, and why do people do it/them?

Do they not count the cost? Do they even care?

Now I'm really beginning to hate people...

God Bless!

bèlla · Sep 11, 2019

Hate is never the solution. That is an evil that should never be visited upon anyone for any cause.

God is love. The deeds of evil men don’t change His goodness or our spiritual mandate. We are called to love. Which prevents our hearts from hardening.

There is nothing we’ve encountered. No plight that befalls the world that is not a matter for prayer. We ought to cry out to engage His help. Some problems must be resolved in the heavenly realm before a breakthrough comes forth.

bèlla · Sep 11, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
God Bless!

I thought you’d enjoy this.

ChicanaRose · Sep 11, 2019

LaBèlla said:
so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it. —Isaiah 55:10-11

This is a great reminder that God is more powerful and all powerful. The most important point I derived from parts 1, 2, and 3 of the article you sent me is "do not give grounds" to the Jezebel spirit. The most obvious meaning of this is keeping this spirit out of your boundaries. But the verse you quoted also reminded me that if I quit God's calling out of fear of her, then I would be making her fear tactic effective.

public hermit · Sep 11, 2019

ChicanaRose said:
because of the crab spirit

Hi ChicanaRose,

I don't really want to butt in, but my curiosity is too much. What is a crab spirit?

bèlla · Sep 11, 2019

ChicanaRose said:
The most important point I derived from parts 1, 2, and 3 of the article you sent me is "do not give grounds" to the Jezebel spirit.

This is most the important part of that article:

they look for personalities that can help them climb to the top of the heap in whatever environment they are trying to work in.

The individual who behaves this way needs help. They are unable to reach the level they seek without support. They cannot raise themselves.

When considering if you are dealing with this form of predation (there are others) you must be able to articulate your usefulness to that person.

They target you for a reason. It isn’t haphazard. And the offender can be either sex. Since the goal is visibility and attention, they are most attracted to persons in positions of authority or prominence. They desire the spotlight. However, if they see your potential for the same that is a draw.

But the verse you quoted also reminded me that if I quit God's calling out of fear of her, then I would be making her fear tactic effective.

Quitting wouldn’t be its goal. Usurping is its aim.

Blade · Sep 11, 2019

Hard to tell.. maybe control of power over..

Maria Billingsley · Sep 11, 2019

LaBèlla said:
Mind games. We’ve heard of them and recognize the damage they cause.

In your opinion, what drives the behavior? And how do you address it as a Christian?

Seems everyone plays mind games even with one's own mind. Like second guessing yourself or thinking something is going on when it is not. If we check ourselves first, maybe we can deal with others who project their mind game on you.
Blessings

bèlla · Sep 11, 2019

Blade said:
Hard to tell.. maybe control of power over..

Yes. That can be the case. The Lord knows all. Seeking His input is best.

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