Millennials Turn Away From Creationism

[Neogaia777]

So bandwagons and wishful thinking wont cut it. What will?

What makes things true? Being true makes them true.

Yes, I was going to say that, "Truth" will...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Yes, I was going to say that, "Truth" will...

God Bless!

How do we establish Truth from what is false...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

How do we establish Truth from what is false...?

God Bless!

I know, I know, come up with a theory and test a hypothesis, right...?

Well what if it's not testable "yet" or right now, or not anymore, or not right now, etc...?

Can we still establish truth without those conditions...? Or under those conditions just now mentioned...?

Yes or No...?

If so, how would we do that...? and if not, how or why not, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Job 33:6]

That we know of, or have fossil records for...

I know it may not be "perfect", but for some reason God had to use the language "birds" and such (and such) to those people back then at that time, to describe some creatures of the sea that might have had some limited ability to "fly" back then...

It is very hard to find a lot of fossil records for that age and era and time, for one thing there just are not very many of them around anymore, for one thing...

Unless it was a very, very common creature, that was very big in numbers, then it's that much harder to have or find any fossils of them around by our period of time since it was so long ago, etc, and a lot geologically has happened to and in the earth since then...

But there could have been, no, more than likely "is or are or were" many, many different kinds of sea creatures back then ("monsters" also) (or pretty monstrous sea creatures) that were more than likely never going to find any fossils of, or fossil record for, ever, (now), (or by now), etc, but that is not to say that those creatures never existed, and there could have been many others we don't know about as well, (and more than likely were), and are never going to ever find out about as well, (such as flying ones, etc), but that is not to say that none like that ever existed back then, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

We have countless older fossils. Including countless fish fossils.

Regardless, what we have is an unsubstantiated claim. That's really all this comes down to.

 

[the last child]

The Truth never changes regardless of whether people discover it, remain ignorant to it, ignore it, hide it, misunderstand it, are perceptive to it, love it, hate it, try to twist or manipulate it. Our judgements of it do not change it. The account of the beginning of the world as we could understand it, regardless of what version it may be, will not change. But there is only one true version. Which means all others are false.

 

[Neogaia777]

We have countless older fossils.

Mainly from a very small stock, and it usually only shows creatures that were very numerous and very, very common... The more uncommon/rare ones we may never get any fossils for or of, not from that period of time anyway...

Regardless, what we have is an unsubstantiated claim. That's really all this comes down to.

If you mean "un-testable" right now, maybe your right...

God Bless!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

That we know of, or have fossil records for...

I know it may not be "perfect", but for some reason God had to use the language "birds" and such (and such) to those people back then at that time, to describe some creatures of the sea that might have had some limited ability to "fly" back then...

It is very hard to find a lot of fossil records for that age and era and time, for one thing there just are not very many of them around anymore, for one thing...

Unless it was a very, very common creature, that was very big in numbers, then it's that much harder to have or find any fossils of them around by our period of time since it was so long ago, etc, and a lot geologically has happened to and in the earth since then...

But there could have been, no, more than likely "is or are or were" many, many different kinds of sea creatures back then ("monsters" also) (or pretty monstrous sea creatures) that were more than likely never going to find any fossils of, or fossil record for, ever, (now), (or by now), etc, but that is not to say that those creatures never existed, and there could have been many others we don't know about as well, (and more than likely were), and are never going to ever find out about as well, (such as flying ones, etc), but that is not to say that none like that ever existed back then, etc...

It's always a stretch...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

If you were talking to a very, very primitive people with very limited concepts or ideas on almost, or just about "everything", yes...

And I don't know what the Hebrew word was for "bird" or that was translated "birds", but it probably had a much more "broader" and much more "general" (and much more simple, but probably also a lot more vague) "meaning", like much of the Hebrew words translated did back then, etc... That also shows the limits of their "vocabulary" then, or back then also BTW...

Our words often can't convey the exact meaning of those or their words back then, which is difficulty translators have deal with a lot, or a great deal, etc... Some of the words are so broad and so general and so vague, that highly accurately translating them (and conveying their "exact" meaning) (and sometimes even the general meaning of them in general even sometimes) isn't even possible sometimes... It's a very common problem that translators face and have to deal with a lot, especially with very old and ancient (primitive) languages, etc...

It's always a stretch...

 

[pitabread]

It's hardly surprising. It's the last days.

People have been claiming it's the "last days" for thousands of years. Such claims have zero merit.

And quite frankly, if it wasn't the last days during events like the Black Death, it's probably not the last days now.

 

[pitabread]

Some people think that because a majority believe something, it must be true. That is nonsense, of course.

In the case of the science of evolution, it really has nothing to do whether the majority believes it or not. Public belief is largely irrelevant other than the occasional lawsuit re: creationism or evolution to waste tax payer dollars.

What truly matters is how evolution is viewed and used within the sciences including industry.

And here comes the bucket of cold water.

The reality is that the science of evolution is foundational to modern biology, is successful as a scientific theory, has loads of evidentiary support and has real world applications. This is why it is taught and will continue to be taught as such.

Creationists are, for the most part, in complete denial of the above. Which more than anything speaks to how fragile creationist beliefs appear to be and why creationist beliefs are unsustainable. Like it or not, creationism appears to be going the way of geocentrism.

 

[pitabread]

what should i as a creationist do?

In what context?

If you're talking about what you can do about creationism being in decline, probably nothing. I predict it's going the way of geocentrism and there's not much anyone can do about that.

 

[Job 33:6]

I just wanted to make a note on the above discussion regarding the testing of the theory of evolution. This is for atheus venandi whom I suspect has departed from us, and anyone else viewing.

Anyone can go online, find a geologic map of a location, look at the timeline of evolution as it pertains to the fossil record, and can go out and find fossils.

Literally anyone, with minimal training can go out and can put the fossil succession to the test, 1st hand.

There isn't any elite cult of paleontologists hiding their methods or secrets from Creationists. As long as you can read simple maps, you're truly just as capable as anyone else in testing the theory of evolution.

Yes you may need to pay 20 dollars on eBay for a rock hammer, and you may need a small hammer from a local appliance store, but in general, anyone can acquire the equipment at almost no cost and can do the science.

 

[Neogaia777]

I know this thread is old, but some of my information in it is still correct, and still might be very useful still for some, etc, anyway, giving it a "bump", etc...

God Bless!

 

[Taisho]

Millennials turn away from Creationism


Came across this blog post today. The author in question used data from the General Social Survey to look at the views of different age cohorts (i.e. generations) and whether they believe humans developed from animals.

The results show pretty clearly that younger generations are trending away from creationist beliefs. This reinforces similar demographics results from other surveys (Gallup, Pew Research, etc).

It's good to hear millennials have some sense not to trust other humans with their intellectual progress and trajectory. I always thought at some point it has to break - the unyielding "serf-like" trust in what other humans tell a person.

 

[coffee4u]

Yup. My case also. I gew up as a charismatic, dispensationalist, young earth creationist...
and in my 30's I do not believe in any of that.

I grew up as a secular evolutionist and became a YEC at the age of 25. I have been ever since, in fact it only grows stronger the older and stubborner I get.

I am among the few who still believes in creationism.

Same. The world is in a sad state of affairs these days.

 

[AV1611VET]

The results show pretty clearly that younger generations are trending away from creationist beliefs.

Ho hum.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[coffee4u]

Millennials turn away from Creationism

Came across this blog post today. The author in question used data from the General Social Survey to look at the views of different age cohorts (i.e. generations) and whether they believe humans developed from animals.

The results show pretty clearly that younger generations are trending away from creationist beliefs. This reinforces similar demographics results from other surveys (Gallup, Pew Research, etc).

Of course they will, it's what we expect and know will happen.

Matthew 24:12
Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold

This is not news to us.

 

[Astrid]

Millennials turn away from Creationism


Came across this blog post today. The author in question used data from the General Social Survey to look at the views of different age cohorts (i.e. generations) and whether they believe humans developed from animals.

The results show pretty clearly that younger generations are trending away from creationist beliefs. This reinforces similar demographics results from other surveys (Gallup, Pew Research, etc).

The greatest country in the world may yet catch up with its lessers.

 

[Astrid]

We are, but so is being a true professing Christian.

True Christians believe they have the inerrant power to
know exactly what God's word is
And
Know more than any researcher on earth?

 

[hedrick]

I think that's the reason. Protestants by large still hold to young earth creationism, and that's the only view I've been exposed to for most of my Christian life.

That doesn’t seem to be true, even of evangelicals. Origins Opinion Surveys Evolve from ‘How’ to ‘Who’