Millennial Considerations

Marilyn C · Dec 22, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Matthew 25:46
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Yes Truth they will go into everlasting punishment when God says - at the great White Throne. And those who are righteous, (of the nations - yet to be revealed) will go into eternal life on the earth.

`And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light...` (Rev. 21: 24)

This also will be shown at the great white throne. God is just doing a quick précis, an overview of their eternal destination.

Marilyn.

Marilyn C · Dec 22, 2017

vinsight4u said:
Because it seems to be how they will treat Israel-the Jews - the least of these My brethren. When Israel started out, God told her that she was the fewest in number when He chose her people. She will in the latter days have only a remnant return to the land to begin again to rebuild it. Faith in Jesus Christ will be over for people after He is seen coming in glory for the church. The church as to repenting of your sin and believing that He is comes to its end when salvation comes upon the church -at the end of our faith.
Those in Matthew 25 have survived the millennium, or been born sometime later. They were here for the final Gog war. They know about the fire that came down from heaven and consumed those wickeds trying to attack the holy city. They saw the lake of fire...they saw the graves of the just were empty. They saw the lion eat straw time and infants that don't die when very young time. It is up to them to do right, follow God's laws for then. They are not still keeping communion - which was to remember His death till He came. They are not having hope that He will raise the dead and give them eternal life. They can see the saints have been ruling with Jesus Christ in Jerusalem. It is not then going to be much as to faith - but in will they follow Him.
Matthew 25 starts out with what word?
"Then....."
Then shall....ten virgins....sheep...goats....everlasting punishment.
When a chapter begins with the word - Then - or For, this leads me to step back into the previous verse to find out what this one is referring to. For - as in - because. Or sometimes we find the word - But. All of these require looking back in the story to see what the scene and timing actually is.

Matthew 24 ends as being for the time of the gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13 clearly states that as being - the end of the world. Other verses also show this is when a wicked person goes to the furnace of fire.
This makes Matthew 25 as parables about the end of the world. The people that have not died and been buried will be judged as to how they treated -the least of the brethren.
The righteous -sheep - inherit the kingdom.
This means that they will no longer be able to have babies as they will now be in flesh and bones bodies and not have blood.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

The section actually begins back in Matthew 24:35 where it tells that heaven and earth shall pass away....v36 has....that day....ch ends....gnashing of teeth....ch 25 Then shall...goats...everlasting punishment.

Hi bro,

You are confusing the kingdom/rule of heaven upon the earth through Israel as promised - in the millennium with the ultimate kingdom/rule of God in all realms.

The book of Matthew is Israel`s king and his rulership through them as promised on the earth over the nations. This is the kingdom/rule of their Messiah that Jesus reminded them of in the parables. Each one refers back to the OT where they were promised rulership over the nations and their Messiah. The harvest at the end of THIS age is when the Lord comes and His angels gather out those who were rebellious.

Marilyn.

Truth7t7 · Dec 22, 2017

Marilyn C said:
Good scripture there bro, So we both agree that when the Lord appears the brightness of His glory will destroy many.

`And the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of HIs mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.`(2 Thess. 2: 8)

` And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, and their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths...` (Zech. 14: 12)

Then we read that -

`...the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet ....These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone...` (Rev. 19: 20)

So we see that the Lord judged the beast and the false prophet and they went into the lake of fire.

Then the Lord judges the nations that are on the earth. Note it is the nations and not all those who have ever lived. Remember that those who lived before the flood are not in the nations but are of one group.

The final Great White Throne is of everyone who ever lived (barring the Body of Christ & the spirits of just men) all those from the beginning till the end of the age -

`And I saw a great white throne and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the neaven fled away. And there was no place found for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened.....The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and hades delivered up the dead who were in them.....Then death and hades were cast into the lake of fire...` (Rev. 20: 11 - 14)

So we see that 2 Tim. 4: 1 is referring to the judgment of the nations on the earth and the lawless one and false prophet being judged right there and thrown into the lake of fire.

Details are very important and I`m glad you brought up that scripture to show how particular God is.

Marilyn.

Details are important

When Jesus Returns, This Existing Earth WillBe Dissolved By The Lords Fire.
2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Micah 3:2, Nahum 1:5, Isaiah 24:20, 1 Corinthians 3:13

A whole lotta fire there, gonna need a Big barbeque to contain that universal flame.

Truth7t7 · Dec 22, 2017

Marilyn C said:
Yes Truth they will go into everlasting punishment when God says - at the great White Throne. And those who are righteous, (of the nations - yet to be revealed) will go into eternal life on the earth.

`And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light...` (Rev. 21: 24)

This also will be shown at the great white throne. God is just doing a quick précis, an overview of their eternal destination.

Marilyn.

Jesus Is teaching exactly what will take place at his return with the angels in Matthew 25:31-46

The final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom takes place, "Eternity Begins"!

There will be no earthly 1000 year kingdom after Jesus returns, "Eternity Begins"

Truth7t7 · Dec 22, 2017

seventysevens said:
No you just do not understand , but as I said IF you were to truly research and study you will understand -- er you should understand , but since you refuse to accept the FACT that satan is bound for 1000 years and then released , you not likely to understand anything that requires some real study and comparison , ,and yet you cannot prove what is , is not as you first have to truly try and understand, if you google the topic you will fins most every link is saying that The Prince is the Messiah as no one else is worthy to fill the role as it is laid out in scripture , see the role is very similar to that of the high priest in the OT , but with added details that were never part of the high priest role as it refers to only what the lamb of God has accomplished
As you continue to show you only accept what you prefer to be true and not was really is true

Ezekiel 46 states this prince is preparing sacrifices to the "Lord"

Is Jesus sacrificing to himself in your future temple?

Jesus Is The Lord Of The Old & New Testaments

seventysevens · Dec 22, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Ezekiel 46 states this prince is preparing sacrifices to the Lord, is Jesus sacrificing to himself in your future temple?

Why don't study????
I have told you multiple times ,it is cross referenced , it has parallels , it requires you to see those things , you need to understand the rules for the priest and notice that the prince has added responsibilities than what the priests in the OT had , as I have told you already is just google it , it is more than obvious that you do not want anything to conflict with what you prefer to believe , hence you prefer to believe a falsehood rather than risk facing the truth that you are wrong , since you do not want to be wrong , if 10000 people showed you your error you will reject all truth to adhere to your misunderstanding
just as you do with the 1000 years that satan is imprisoned , so instead of actually searching the hundreds of sources that simply say the same thing I have told you , you simply deflect , that is on you , if you prefer to believe a lie - do so and be happy

seventysevens · Dec 22, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Details are important

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Seems you say that only when you think you are right , otherwise you refuse to acknowledge details that show when you are wrong

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 22, 2017

seventysevens said:
Seems you say that only when you think you are right , otherwise you refuse to acknowledge details that show when you are wrong

Yep.
It only take one detail (and there are many) to prove them wrong. So they can't afford to acknowledge the truth (details) if they want to continue believing their system is okay even though it is opposed to Scripture (often).

BABerean2 · Dec 22, 2017

Marilyn C said:
The book of Matthew is Israel`s king and his rulership through them as promised on the earth over the nations.

Christ revealed His Church in the Book of Matthew and also gave the Great Commission to the Church at the end of Matthew's Gospel.

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Mat_12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Mat_21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(See 1 Peter 2:4-10)

Mat_25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Luk_1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Luk_16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luk_17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

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Marilyn C · Dec 22, 2017

BABerean2 said:
Christ revealed His Church in the Book of Matthew

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Mmm my Bible says that that truth (the Body of Christ) was NOT revealed before the Lord by the Holy Spirit revealed it to the Apostle Paul many, many years later.

BABerean2 · Dec 22, 2017

Marilyn C said:
Mmm my Bible says that that truth (the Body of Christ) was NOT revealed before the Lord by the Holy Spirit revealed it to the Apostle Paul many, many years later.

You must be reading Scofield's notes, because you did not get the idea above from the Bible.

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Maybe you think we should just ignore the Great Commission to the Church at the end of Matthew's Gospel, in order to make your Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

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Marilyn C · Dec 22, 2017

BABerean2 said:
You must be reading Scofield's notes, because you did not get the idea above from the Bible.

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Maybe you think we should just ignore the Great Commission to the Church at the end of Matthew's Gospel, in order to make your Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

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Oh you mean the Gentiles, well those in the Body of Christ have been called out of the Gentiles and of Israel bro. That`s what `ekklesia` means the `called out ones.`

And I think you have forgotten this scripture -

`...how by revelation He (the Lord) made KNOWN TO ME the mystery....which IN AGES PAST WAS NOT KNOWN to the sons of men as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs of the same body and partakers of His promise through the good news of which I became a minister...` (Eph. 3: 3 - 6)

Marilyn.

Truth7t7 · Dec 22, 2017

Marilyn C said:
Oh you mean the Gentiles, well those in the Body of Christ have been called out of the Gentiles and of Israel bro. That`s what `ekklesia` means the `called out ones.`

And I think you have forgotten this scripture -

`...how by revelation He (the Lord) made KNOWN TO ME the mystery....which IN AGES PAST WAS NOT KNOWN to the sons of men as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs of the same body and partakers of His promise through the good news of which I became a minister...` (Eph. 3: 3 - 6)

Marilyn.

Romans 9:6-8
The Church is the Israel of God, Children of the promised seed.

The children of the flesh "Jews" these are not the children of God.

That Simple

Davy · Dec 22, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Revelation 20:1-6 has no earthly kingdom with humans present.

Angel, heaven, devil, satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ, 100% spiritual realm.

No earthly kingdom with humans there?

Sure it does. All are simply in their spiritual bodies on earth; as the angels like Jesus said, remember? Rev.5 promise to Christ's elect is to reign "one the earth". As per Zech.14, Jesus' feet touch down upon the Mount of Olives on earth.

Ps 2:6-12
6 Yet have I set My king upon My holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto Me, Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten Thee.

8 Ask of Me, and I shall give Thee the heathen for Thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for Thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and ye perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him.
KJV

Marilyn C · Dec 22, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Romans 9:6-8
The Church is the Israel of God, Children of the promised seed.

The children of the flesh "Jews" these are not the children of God.

That Simple

And where in God`s word do you find that God has done away with His people, His beloved, the one He betrothed to Himself forever, (Hosea 2: 19)?

Marilyn C · Dec 22, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Jesus Is teaching exactly what will take place at his return with the angels in Matthew 25:31-46

The final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom takes place, "Eternity Begins"!

There will be no earthly 1000 year kingdom after Jesus returns, "Eternity Begins"

So why are those `saved` who just did GOOD WORKS?

BABerean2 · Dec 23, 2017

Marilyn C said:
And where in God`s word do you find that God has done away with His people, His beloved, the one He betrothed to Himself forever, (Hosea 2: 19)?

He has not done away with the "remnant" of Israel found in Romans 9:27.

On the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2:36 Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel". On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13.

In Romans 11:1 Paul calls himself an "Israelite", even after his conversion.

Based on Galatians 1:14-18 Paul did not begin his ministry to the Gentiles until about 3 years after his conversion.
When the Church first began almost all of its members were Israelites.

Throughout the history of Israel there were two different groups of Israelites. One group turned from God and the other group remained faithful to God's plan. Paul reviewed this truth during the time of Elijah in Romans 11:2-5.

Sadly, today some of us cannot tell the difference between the faithful remnant and the Baal worshippers, which is revealed in 1 John 2:22-23.

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Marilyn C · Dec 23, 2017

BABerean2 said:
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And the Heb. 11 people, who are they?

BABerean2 · Dec 23, 2017

Marilyn C said:
And the Heb. 11 people, who are they?

They are Christians who are Israelites, just like the Apostle Paul, who had the following to say about genealogies.

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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seventysevens · Dec 23, 2017

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

All people who seek the Lord and obey Him will be saved , it makes no difference if they be a DNA Jew or a Gentile with no DNA of Jews
Some people seek to elevate their stature because in their own eyes they believe they are entitled to be seen as a better more deserving people than those who have no bloodline in the Jewish bloodline

God chose the Israelite people because of the fact they were the ones that were oppressed and picked on as they were few and small in number and so God chose Abram; and Abram was obedient and faithful and God said Abram would be a father to many peoples

Matt23
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled; and whosoever shall humble himself shall be exalted

2Cor12
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.

6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

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