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It is your lack of understanding
part of the old covenant is
do not make a graven image and bow down to that image in worship the image
do not bear false witness against thy neighbor

do not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's
do not commit adultery.

but you say those are obsolete





Your argument comes apart not only in Galatians chapter 4, but also in chapter 3.

Paul says the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.
This reveals the temporary nature of the Sinai covenant.

Nobody alive today has ever been guilty of breaking the 4th commandment.
Based on Colossians 2:16-17, nobody is to judge us in Sabbath keeping.
Christ is our Sabbath rest every day of the week.

There are two separate sets of commandments in the verse below.


Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


The contract to build a house becomes "obsolete" once that house is finished.
He built us a New House out of two pieces of wood, and a handful of nails.


Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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That is what I thought so I did some research , now it's your turn :)
Look up all the references in history of a Prince in Israel , it is a story in prophetic terms describing how the OT days compare with Jesus crucifixion and as I said too many details - not going to hold your hand if you not willing to learn something you think you know.

http://thejewishhome.org/counter/EzekielPrince.pdf

Ezekiel 46

Ezekiel 46:1 Commentaries: 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon.

The Prince of Ezekiel 46
ezekiel 46 commentary - Google Search
Jewishhome.org?

From Rabbi Elirok?

I will stick with biblical Christianity :)
 
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I Think I Will Stck With Biblical Christianity :)
You see why I will not waste time to walk you through anything ?
You choose to be misinformed , I showed several links to many different places cause you aren't willing to put any effort into it , PROVE IT WRONG
 
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I will stick with biblical Christianity :)
You don't want truth cause it destroys what you prefer to believe
I gave you MANY sources , so you choose to be wrong , that is your choice
You know you don't even understand it , you cannot prove it wrong :)
 
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but you say those are obsolete

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.


Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.



1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.



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How do you account for the rich man and Lazarus, if believers ddon't have souls that go to heaven/Abraham's Bossom Luke 16
Obvious parable.
Do you believe in a present torment, hell?
Not really. The lake of fire might be considered "hell", but there's nobody there right now, so I guess in the terms that you think of hell I would have to say no.
Do you believe in Abrahams Bossom?
From the parable? :scratch: It's a parable.
Do you believe in a future eternal kingdom Revelation chapters 21 & 22?
Of course. Doesn't everybody? That's the whole point of salvation. The main event. Our blessed hope.
Do you believe in a future eternal lake of fire Revelation 20:11-15?
Yes, but I tend to think the name "lake of fire" is more symbolic than literal.
 
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But satan did not cause Israel to be reborn as a nation
Israel was established by the Rothchilds

Balfour Declaration, Land purchased, Israeli Supreme court built, Government Parliament building Knesset, Netanyahu is a MIT grad, One Big Front!

Israel/Jerusalem is likened unto Sodom & Egypt Revelation 11:8, Don't forget the homosexual pride parades marching annually in Jerusalem.

The Unholy Land!
 
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Wrong , that is nonsense you believe from the bogus videos , God said He will bring Israel back and he did; you don't believe that God is behind the evil man called Man of Lawlessness and the false prophet ? You don't believe Gods word when you don't believe what it says , God stands at the door and knocks , he does not force himself in you must invite him in - God does not force you to believe what he says , but if you don't believe -you won't receive
Until you can respond with some actual mature scripturally supported points, I'll be just ignoring you from now on. Don't take it personally. I just prefer to discuss with people who actually discuss and not just yell "Wrong!" every time I say something.
 
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Go ahead and believe the lie if you want to ;)











Israel was established by the Rothchilds

Balfour Declaration, Land purchased, Israeli Supreme court built, Government Parliament building Knesset, Netanyahu is a MIT grad, One Big Front!

Israel/Jerusalem is likened unto Sodom & Egypt Revelation 11:8, Don't forget the homosexual pride parades marching annually in Jerusalem.

The Unholy Land!
 
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That is just fine with me :)
when you you can actually show that you are right , then I would agree with you :)





















Until you can respond with some actual mature scripturally supported points, I'll be just ignoring you from now on. Don't take it personally. I just prefer to discuss with people who actually discuss and not just yell "Wrong!" every time I say something.
 
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Obvious parable.

Not really. The lake of fire might be considered "hell", but there's nobody there right now, so I guess in the terms that you think of hell I would have to say no.

From the parable? :scratch: It's a parable.

Of course. Doesn't everybody? That's the whole point of salvation. The main event. Our blessed hope.

Yes, but I tend to think the name "lake of fire" is more symbolic than literal.
Well Revelation 20:11-15 suggest hell is a real thing, as death & hell are delivered up and cast into the lake of fire that you believe in?
 
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I will stick with biblical Christianity :)
This is a study guide commentary, which means that you are responsible for your own interpretation of the Bible. Each of us must walk in the light we have. You, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit are priority in interpretation. You must not relinquish this to a commentator.

Read the chapter in one sitting. Identify the subjects (reading cycle #3, p. xvi). Compare your subject divisions with the five translations above. Paragraphing is not inspired, but it is the key to following the original author's intent, which is the heart of interpretation. Every paragraph has one and only one subject.

1. First paragraph

2. Second paragraph

3. Third paragraph

4. Etc.



WORD AND PHRASE STUDY

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:1-10
1'Thus says the Lord God, "The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon. 2The prince shall enter by way of the porch of the gate from outside and stand by the post of the gate. Then the priests shall provide his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate and then go out; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening. 3The people of the land shall also worship at the doorway of that gate before the Lord on the sabbaths and on the new moons. 4The burnt offering which the prince shall offer to the Lord on the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish; 5and the grain offering shall be an ephah with the ram, and the grain offering with the lambs as much as he is able to give, and a hin of oil with an ephah. 6On the day of the new moon he shall offer a young bull without blemish, also six lambs and a ram, which shall be without blemish. 7And he shall provide a grain offering, an ephah with the bull and an ephah with the ram, and with the lambs as much as he is able, and a hin of oil with an ephah. 8When the prince enters, he shall go in by way of the porch of the gate and go out by the same way. 9But when the people of the land come before the Lord at the appointed feasts, he who enters by way of the north gate to worship shall go out by way of the south gate. And he who enters by way of the south gate shall go out by way of the north gate. No one shall return by way of the gate by which he entered but shall go straight out. 10When they go in, the prince shall go in among them; and when they go out, he shall go out."

46:1 "the gate of the inner court facing east" Remember the outer eastern gate was permanently sealed (cf. 44:2) because this is the gate by which YHWH left the temple (cf. chapter 10) and returned (cf. chapter 43).

▣ "the new moon" This monthly feast is first mentioned in Num. 10:10 and explained in Num. 28:11-15. It is referred to in Ps. 81:3-5 and Ezek. 45:18; 46:3,6. Since the tabernacle was set up on the first day of the month (cf. Exod. 40:2,17), it is possible that it is connected to this event.

The Jews used a lunar calendar. See Special Topic at 1:1.

46:2 "his burnt offerings and his peace offerings" Also note, verse 12 lists several other offerings. See Special Topic at 44:29.

▣ "he shall worship" This is an unusual form of a common religious concept of "worship" or "bow down." The unusual form is called a Hishtaphel, which comes from this word. The first three consonants (תשה) are common in other Semitic languages, but this is the only example in biblical Hebrew (Kittel, Hoffer and Wright, Biblical Hebrew, p. 182).

The basic stem seems to be חוה (KB 295 II), which in Ugaritic means "to prostrate oneself in worship" or שחו, "to bow down" (BDB 1005). It occurs three times in this paragraph (cf. vv. 2,3,9).

The prince has a special place at the gateway of the inner court where he can see the sacrificing being made, but cannot enter the sacred precincts of the priests.

▣ "the gate shall not be shut" This is a metaphor of access and availability. YHWH would receive the prince and the people in regular worship.

▣ "the prince" This future Davidic leader ("prince," BDB 672) is mentioned several times in Ezekiel.

1. YHWH will establish him as shepherd over a united covenant people, 34:20-24

2. YHWH will restore the covenant people to their land and restore their Davidic prince. He will make an everlasting covenant of peace with an obedient Israel, 37:24-28

3. he will eat/worship before YHWH in the new temple, 44:2-3; 46:1-12

4. he shall receive a large special land allotment (i.e., great wealth) on both sides of the temple area to keep him from oppressing the people, 45:7-8; 48:21-22

5. the people will give offerings to the prince so that he can provide sacrifices on special days, 45:13-25

6. regulations about inheritance gifts given by the prince, 46:16-18



46:4-7 The prince shall offer

1. the sabbath

a. six lambs

b. one ram

c. one ephah of grain (with ram)

d. as much as able of grain (with the lambs)

e. a hin of oil

2. new moon

a. a young bull

b. six lambs

c. a ram

d. one ephah of grain (with bull)

e. one ephah of grain (with ram)

f. as much as able of grain (with lambs)

g. a hin of oil



46:4 "without blemish" This term (BDB 1071) denotes an animal that is healthy and without obvious defect. In other words, it is a prime example (typical) of its breed in color, shape, and size (i.e., Exod. 12:5; Lev. 3:1).

46:5 "ephah. . .hin" See SPECIAL TOPIC: ANCIENT NEAR EASTERN WEIGHTS AND MEASURES (METROLOGY) at 4:11.

46:7

NASB"as much as he is able"
NKJV, TEV"as much as he wants to give"
NRSV"as much as he wishes"
NJB"what he pleases"
LXX"according as his hand can furnish"
Peshitta,
JPSOA, REB"as much as he can afford"

The literal phrase is "as much as his hand can reach." The amount of sacrifices depended on two things.

1. the free-will offerings of the people

2. the wealth and/or ability and/or desire of the monarch



46:10 The prince has a special place to observe the sacrifices on the "special" days (i.e., appointed feasts), but on other days he was not allowed even this special place, but must enter and exit with other covenant people.

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:11-12
11"At the festivals and the appointed feasts the grain offering shall be an ephah with a bull and an ephah with a ram, and with the lambs as much as one is able to give, and a hin of oil with an ephah. 12"When the prince provides a freewill offering, a burnt offering, or peace offerings as a freewill offering to the Lord, the gate facing east shall be opened for him. And he shall provide his burnt offering and his peace offerings as he does on the sabbath day. Then he shall go out, and the gate shall be shut after he goes out."

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:13-15
13"And you shall provide a lamb a year old without blemish for a burnt offering to the Lord daily; morning by morning you shall provide it. 14Also you shall provide a grain offering with it morning by morning, a sixth of an ephah and a third of a hin of oil to moisten the fine flour, a grain offering to the Lord continually by a perpetual ordinance. 15Thus they shall provide the lamb, the grain offering and the oil, morning by morning, for a continual burnt offering."

46:13

NASB, NKJV,
REB"you"
NRSV, NJB,
LXX, Peshitta"he"

The MT has "you," but ancient translations understood it as a reference to "the prince" (same in v. 14).

▣ "morning by morning" This refers to the "continual" (i.e., post-exilic designation), which was a lamb offered every morning and evening at the temple (cf. Exod. 29:38-42; Num. 28:3-4; II Kgs. 16:15).

46:14 "a perpetual ordinance" See Special Topic at 37:25,26. The Hebrew term "forever" (מלוע, BDB 761) is used in several senses as the Special Topic shows and must be interpreted in each context.

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:16-18
16'Thus says the Lord God, "If the prince gives a gift out of his inheritance to any of his sons, it shall belong to his sons; it is their possession by inheritance. 17But if he gives a gift from his inheritance to one of his servants, it shall be his until the year of liberty; then it shall return to the prince. His inheritance shall be only his sons'; it shall belong to them. 18The prince shall not take from the people's inheritance, thrusting them out of their possession; he shall give his sons inheritance from his own possession so that My people will not be scattered, anyone from his possession."'"

46:17 "the year of liberty" This refers to the "year of Jubilee" (cf. Lev. 25:8-17, esp. v. 10), in which the land returns to its original tribal owners because the land was a gift from YHWH (cf. Joshua 13-23).

46:18 This verse links to 45:8, where the prince is given a large section of land to keep him from taking common land from the people.

This shows that "the prince" was understood as a person still affected by Genesis 3. This would not fit a NT understanding of "Messiah" (this is also true of Isa. 42:1 vs. 42:18-19). Oppression was often associated with the kingship (cf. 18:7,12,16).

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:19-20
19Then he brought me through the entrance, which was at the side of the gate, into the holy chambers for the priests, which faced north; and behold, there was a place at the extreme rear toward the west. 20He said to me, "This is the place where the priests shall boil the guilt offering and the sin offering and where they shall bake the grain offering, in order that they may not bring them out into the outer court to transmit holiness to the people."

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:21-24
21Then he brought me out into the outer court and led me across to the four corners of the court; and behold, in every corner of the court there was a small court. 22In the four corners of the court there were enclosed courts, forty cubits long and thirty wide; these four in the corners were the same size. 23There was a row of masonry round about in them, around the four of them, and boiling places were made under the rows round about. 24Then he said to me, "These are the boiling places where the ministers of the house shall boil the sacrifices of the people."

46:22 "corners. . .enclosed" Both of these words are uncertain.

1. "corners" - the verb (BDB 893) is found only here in the OT. Many OT scholars assume it is a Hophal participle. The noun is found in 26:24; 36:29; 46:21(twice). It could refer to a corner post. Many of Ezekiel's architectural terms are rare and uncertain.

2. "enclosed" - BDB 883 (קטר) could also mean "vaulted" or "covered" (NEB, REB). JPSOA has "uncovered," following the Mishnah (Middoth 2.5). The Septuagint assumes a different stem (קטנות), "smaller," and is followed by Peshitta, NRSV, TEV, and NJB or possibly "the same size" (NEB, JPSOA footnote. REB).



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Well Revelation 20:11-15 suggest hell is a real thing, as death & hell are delivered up and cast into the lake of fire that you believe in?
No it doesn't.

And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, [even] the lake of fire.

Hades is not what you think it is. Hades is the name given to the place of the dead, the unseen world, though it's not an actual place. It's more like a state of being. One "goes" to Hades, in the same way that one "goes" to sleep.
 
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Your very commentary posted states the prince is not Jesus the Messiah as you previously claimed.
This is a study guide commentary, which means that you are responsible for your own interpretation of the Bible. Each of us must walk in the light we have. You, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit are priority in interpretation. You must not relinquish this to a commentator.

Read the chapter in one sitting. Identify the subjects (reading cycle #3, p. xvi). Compare your subject divisions with the five translations above. Paragraphing is not inspired, but it is the key to following the original author's intent, which is the heart of interpretation. Every paragraph has one and only one subject.

1. First paragraph

2. Second paragraph

3. Third paragraph

4. Etc.



WORD AND PHRASE STUDY

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:1-10
1'Thus says the Lord God, "The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon. 2The prince shall enter by way of the porch of the gate from outside and stand by the post of the gate. Then the priests shall provide his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate and then go out; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening. 3The people of the land shall also worship at the doorway of that gate before the Lord on the sabbaths and on the new moons. 4The burnt offering which the prince shall offer to the Lord on the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish; 5and the grain offering shall be an ephah with the ram, and the grain offering with the lambs as much as he is able to give, and a hin of oil with an ephah. 6On the day of the new moon he shall offer a young bull without blemish, also six lambs and a ram, which shall be without blemish. 7And he shall provide a grain offering, an ephah with the bull and an ephah with the ram, and with the lambs as much as he is able, and a hin of oil with an ephah. 8When the prince enters, he shall go in by way of the porch of the gate and go out by the same way. 9But when the people of the land come before the Lord at the appointed feasts, he who enters by way of the north gate to worship shall go out by way of the south gate. And he who enters by way of the south gate shall go out by way of the north gate. No one shall return by way of the gate by which he entered but shall go straight out. 10When they go in, the prince shall go in among them; and when they go out, he shall go out."

46:1 "the gate of the inner court facing east" Remember the outer eastern gate was permanently sealed (cf. 44:2) because this is the gate by which YHWH left the temple (cf. chapter 10) and returned (cf. chapter 43).

▣ "the new moon" This monthly feast is first mentioned in Num. 10:10 and explained in Num. 28:11-15. It is referred to in Ps. 81:3-5 and Ezek. 45:18; 46:3,6. Since the tabernacle was set up on the first day of the month (cf. Exod. 40:2,17), it is possible that it is connected to this event.

The Jews used a lunar calendar. See Special Topic at 1:1.

46:2 "his burnt offerings and his peace offerings" Also note, verse 12 lists several other offerings. See Special Topic at 44:29.

▣ "he shall worship" This is an unusual form of a common religious concept of "worship" or "bow down." The unusual form is called a Hishtaphel, which comes from this word. The first three consonants (תשה) are common in other Semitic languages, but this is the only example in biblical Hebrew (Kittel, Hoffer and Wright, Biblical Hebrew, p. 182).

The basic stem seems to be חוה (KB 295 II), which in Ugaritic means "to prostrate oneself in worship" or שחו, "to bow down" (BDB 1005). It occurs three times in this paragraph (cf. vv. 2,3,9).

The prince has a special place at the gateway of the inner court where he can see the sacrificing being made, but cannot enter the sacred precincts of the priests.

▣ "the gate shall not be shut" This is a metaphor of access and availability. YHWH would receive the prince and the people in regular worship.

▣ "the prince" This future Davidic leader ("prince," BDB 672) is mentioned several times in Ezekiel.

1. YHWH will establish him as shepherd over a united covenant people, 34:20-24

2. YHWH will restore the covenant people to their land and restore their Davidic prince. He will make an everlasting covenant of peace with an obedient Israel, 37:24-28

3. he will eat/worship before YHWH in the new temple, 44:2-3; 46:1-12

4. he shall receive a large special land allotment (i.e., great wealth) on both sides of the temple area to keep him from oppressing the people, 45:7-8; 48:21-22

5. the people will give offerings to the prince so that he can provide sacrifices on special days, 45:13-25

6. regulations about inheritance gifts given by the prince, 46:16-18



46:4-7 The prince shall offer

1. the sabbath

a. six lambs

b. one ram

c. one ephah of grain (with ram)

d. as much as able of grain (with the lambs)

e. a hin of oil

2. new moon

a. a young bull

b. six lambs

c. a ram

d. one ephah of grain (with bull)

e. one ephah of grain (with ram)

f. as much as able of grain (with lambs)

g. a hin of oil



46:4 "without blemish" This term (BDB 1071) denotes an animal that is healthy and without obvious defect. In other words, it is a prime example (typical) of its breed in color, shape, and size (i.e., Exod. 12:5; Lev. 3:1).

46:5 "ephah. . .hin" See SPECIAL TOPIC: ANCIENT NEAR EASTERN WEIGHTS AND MEASURES (METROLOGY) at 4:11.

46:7

NASB"as much as he is able"
NKJV, TEV"as much as he wants to give"
NRSV"as much as he wishes"
NJB"what he pleases"
LXX"according as his hand can furnish"
Peshitta,
JPSOA, REB"as much as he can afford"

The literal phrase is "as much as his hand can reach." The amount of sacrifices depended on two things.

1. the free-will offerings of the people

2. the wealth and/or ability and/or desire of the monarch



46:10 The prince has a special place to observe the sacrifices on the "special" days (i.e., appointed feasts), but on other days he was not allowed even this special place, but must enter and exit with other covenant people.

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:11-12
11"At the festivals and the appointed feasts the grain offering shall be an ephah with a bull and an ephah with a ram, and with the lambs as much as one is able to give, and a hin of oil with an ephah. 12"When the prince provides a freewill offering, a burnt offering, or peace offerings as a freewill offering to the Lord, the gate facing east shall be opened for him. And he shall provide his burnt offering and his peace offerings as he does on the sabbath day. Then he shall go out, and the gate shall be shut after he goes out."

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:13-15
13"And you shall provide a lamb a year old without blemish for a burnt offering to the Lord daily; morning by morning you shall provide it. 14Also you shall provide a grain offering with it morning by morning, a sixth of an ephah and a third of a hin of oil to moisten the fine flour, a grain offering to the Lord continually by a perpetual ordinance. 15Thus they shall provide the lamb, the grain offering and the oil, morning by morning, for a continual burnt offering."

46:13

NASB, NKJV,
REB"you"
NRSV, NJB,
LXX, Peshitta"he"

The MT has "you," but ancient translations understood it as a reference to "the prince" (same in v. 14).

▣ "morning by morning" This refers to the "continual" (i.e., post-exilic designation), which was a lamb offered every morning and evening at the temple (cf. Exod. 29:38-42; Num. 28:3-4; II Kgs. 16:15).

46:14 "a perpetual ordinance" See Special Topic at 37:25,26. The Hebrew term "forever" (מלוע, BDB 761) is used in several senses as the Special Topic shows and must be interpreted in each context.

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:16-18
16'Thus says the Lord God, "If the prince gives a gift out of his inheritance to any of his sons, it shall belong to his sons; it is their possession by inheritance. 17But if he gives a gift from his inheritance to one of his servants, it shall be his until the year of liberty; then it shall return to the prince. His inheritance shall be only his sons'; it shall belong to them. 18The prince shall not take from the people's inheritance, thrusting them out of their possession; he shall give his sons inheritance from his own possession so that My people will not be scattered, anyone from his possession."'"

46:17 "the year of liberty" This refers to the "year of Jubilee" (cf. Lev. 25:8-17, esp. v. 10), in which the land returns to its original tribal owners because the land was a gift from YHWH (cf. Joshua 13-23).

46:18 This verse links to 45:8, where the prince is given a large section of land to keep him from taking common land from the people.

This shows that "the prince" was understood as a person still affected by Genesis 3. This would not fit a NT understanding of "Messiah" (this is also true of Isa. 42:1 vs. 42:18-19). Oppression was often associated with the kingship (cf. 18:7,12,16).

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:19-20
19Then he brought me through the entrance, which was at the side of the gate, into the holy chambers for the priests, which faced north; and behold, there was a place at the extreme rear toward the west. 20He said to me, "This is the place where the priests shall boil the guilt offering and the sin offering and where they shall bake the grain offering, in order that they may not bring them out into the outer court to transmit holiness to the people."

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 46:21-24
21Then he brought me out into the outer court and led me across to the four corners of the court; and behold, in every corner of the court there was a small court. 22In the four corners of the court there were enclosed courts, forty cubits long and thirty wide; these four in the corners were the same size. 23There was a row of masonry round about in them, around the four of them, and boiling places were made under the rows round about. 24Then he said to me, "These are the boiling places where the ministers of the house shall boil the sacrifices of the people."

46:22 "corners. . .enclosed" Both of these words are uncertain.

1. "corners" - the verb (BDB 893) is found only here in the OT. Many OT scholars assume it is a Hophal participle. The noun is found in 26:24; 36:29; 46:21(twice). It could refer to a corner post. Many of Ezekiel's architectural terms are rare and uncertain.

2. "enclosed" - BDB 883 (קטר) could also mean "vaulted" or "covered" (NEB, REB). JPSOA has "uncovered," following the Mishnah (Middoth 2.5). The Septuagint assumes a different stem (קטנות), "smaller," and is followed by Peshitta, NRSV, TEV, and NJB or possibly "the same size" (NEB, JPSOA footnote. REB).



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Your very commentary posted states the prince is not Jesus the Messiah as you previously claimed.
No you just do not understand , but as I said IF you were to truly research and study you will understand -- er you should understand , but since you refuse to accept the FACT that satan is bound for 1000 years and then released , you not likely to understand anything that requires some real study and comparison , ,and yet you cannot prove what is , is not as you first have to truly try and understand, if you google the topic you will fins most every link is saying that The Prince is the Messiah as no one else is worthy to fill the role as it is laid out in scripture , see the role is very similar to that of the high priest in the OT , but with added details that were never part of the high priest role as it refers to only what the lamb of God has accomplished
As you continue to show you only accept what you prefer to be true and not was really is true
 
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No it doesn't.

And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, [even] the lake of fire.

Hades is not what you think it is. Hades is the name given to the place of the dead, the unseen world, though it's not an actual place. It's more like a state of being. One "goes" to Hades, in the same way that one "goes" to sleep.
My Holy Bible in Revelation 20:11-15KJV states Hell.

Hades is 100% Greek Mythology

You mention the soul sleeping, a 7th day Adventist Doctrine, are you 7th day?

Luke 16 was written for a purpose, that is to show the believer of a place of concious comfort/Abrahams Bossom and concious torment/Hell after death.

We will disagree.
 
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No it does not , nothing mythical about it
and just the other day you said it was real and literal fire

purgatory is the myth as it is not real

My Holy Bible in Revelation 20:11-15KJV states Hell, hades is a greek mythological intermediate state like purgatory.












You mention the soul sleeping, a 7th day Adventist Doctrine.Luke 16 was written for a purpose, that is to show the believer of a place of concious comfort/Abrahams Bossom and concious torment/Hell

We will disagree.
 
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2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

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Good scripture there bro, So we both agree that when the Lord appears the brightness of His glory will destroy many.

`And the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of HIs mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.`(2 Thess. 2: 8)

` And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, and their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths...` (Zech. 14: 12)

Then we read that -

`...the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet ....These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone...` (Rev. 19: 20)

So we see that the Lord judged the beast and the false prophet and they went into the lake of fire.

Then the Lord judges the nations that are on the earth. Note it is the nations and not all those who have ever lived. Remember that those who lived before the flood are not in the nations but are of one group.

The final Great White Throne is of everyone who ever lived (barring the Body of Christ & the spirits of just men) all those from the beginning till the end of the age -

`And I saw a great white throne and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the neaven fled away. And there was no place found for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened.....The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and hades delivered up the dead who were in them.....Then death and hades were cast into the lake of fire...` (Rev. 20: 11 - 14)

So we see that 2 Tim. 4: 1 is referring to the judgment of the nations on the earth and the lawless one and false prophet being judged right there and thrown into the lake of fire.

Details are very important and I`m glad you brought up that scripture to show how particular God is.

Marilyn.








 
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No it does not , nothing mythical about it
and just the other day you said it was real and literal fire

purgatory is the myth as it is not real
Your lost In The Post :)

I believe in a literal "Hell" a place of torment.

LastSeven believes in "Hades" a Greek Word and teaching From Greek Mythology.

You jump in the middle of our posting, and you dont have a clue on whats going on.
 
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