Millennial Considerations

Davy · Dec 21, 2017

LastSeven said:
Of course he reigns until the end of death. That's what I've been saying all along. There is death during the thousand years and that's why I keep saying that the second resurrection is at the end of the thousand years because that's literally the end of death.

Not what I showed, look at 1 Cor.15:25 again. It's the fact that He must FIRST reign over His enemies, making them His footstool. That prophecy is in the Psalms also. It means He must first reign over the unsaved "nations" of Rev.20 with "a rod of iron". Even Rev.3:9 is showing in that future Millennium time His greatest enemies having to come bow in worship to Him at the feet of His elect of the Church of Philadelphia.

The 2nd resurrection is about Eternal Life through Jesus. The only resurrection of the unjust is on the day of Jesus' return (John 5:28-29). And it's called the "resurrection of damnation". It's the condition the unsaved nations will be in throughout Christ's thousand years reign. That's what the "rod of iron" Jesus and His elect will have is for.

You keep bringing up these points as though I disagree with them, but if it's in scripture I can guarantee you that I agree with it.

How can you say he's not reigning if he's seated on his throne and he has received all authority in heaven and on earth? How can you sit on a throne with all authority, and not reign? Please explain that to me.

Like Matt.25 shows, when He returns is 'when' He will sit in the throne of His glory, and that throne will be David's throne, an earthly throne, the throne The Father promised to Jesus. Has He returned yet today? No. Is He reigning over the wicked today? I hope you don't believe He is, because the wicked are really stacking up some bad things to bring upon us who believe on The Father through our Lord Jesus Christ. Brethren Christians overseas near and in the Islamic nations are being beheaded. There's simply too many signs on this earth today to show the devil is still reigning here, and not our Lord Jesus yet.

Truth7t7 · Dec 21, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
YHWH is opposed to it.
Yeshua the Good Shepherd, warns not to even go that way.
There never was any reason to even start that,
until the false church on earth determined to, in order to consolidate their power and protect their false teachings.

Matthew 25:31-46 clearly teaches when Jesus Christ Returns, the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom takes place.

There will be no 1000 year earthly kingdom, "Eternity Has Started"

Verses 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, the nations are gathered for judgment.

Verse 34 the eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 the wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

Verse 46 the righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

Truth7t7 · Dec 21, 2017

Davy said:
Not what I showed, look at 1 Cor.15:25 again. It's the fact that He must FIRST reign over His enemies, making them His footstool. That prophecy is in the Psalms also. It means He must first reign over the unsaved "nations" of Rev.20 with "a rod of iron". Even Rev.3:9 is showing in that future Millennium time His greatest enemies having to come bow in worship to Him at the feet of His elect of the Church of Philadelphia.

The 2nd resurrection is about Eternal Life through Jesus. The only resurrection of the unjust is on the day of Jesus' return (John 5:28-29). And it's called the "resurrection of damnation". It's the condition the unsaved nations will be in throughout Christ's thousand years reign. That's what the "rod of iron" Jesus and His elect will have is for.

Like Matt.25 shows, when He returns is 'when' He will sit in the throne of His glory, and that throne will be David's throne, an earthly throne, the throne The Father promised to Jesus. Has He returned yet today? No. Is He reigning over the wicked today? I hope you don't believe He is, because the wicked are really stacking up some bad things to bring upon us who believe on The Father through our Lord Jesus Christ. Brethren Christians overseas near and in the Islamic nations are being beheaded. There's simply too many signs on this earth today to show the devil is still reigning here, and not our Lord Jesus yet.

Post #782 above clearly refutes your belief concerning Matthew 25:31-46

LastSeven · Dec 21, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
YHWH is opposed to it.
Yeshua the Good Shepherd, warns not to even go that way.
There never was any reason to even start that,
until the false church on earth determined to, in order to consolidate their power and protect their false teachings.

God told you not to consider amillenialism?

That's interesting. I guess I didn't get the memo.

LastSeven · Dec 21, 2017

Davy said:
Not what I showed, look at 1 Cor.15:25 again. It's the fact that He must FIRST reign over His enemies, making them His footstool. That prophecy is in the Psalms also. It means He must first reign over the unsaved "nations" of Rev.20 with "a rod of iron". Even Rev.3:9 is showing in that future Millennium time His greatest enemies having to come bow in worship to Him at the feet of His elect of the Church of Philadelphia.

The 2nd resurrection is about Eternal Life through Jesus. The only resurrection of the unjust is on the day of Jesus' return (John 5:28-29). And it's called the "resurrection of damnation". It's the condition the unsaved nations will be in throughout Christ's thousand years reign. That's what the "rod of iron" Jesus and His elect will have is for.

Like Matt.25 shows, when He returns is 'when' He will sit in the throne of His glory, and that throne will be David's throne, an earthly throne, the throne The Father promised to Jesus. Has He returned yet today? No. Is He reigning over the wicked today? I hope you don't believe He is, because the wicked are really stacking up some bad things to bring upon us who believe on The Father through our Lord Jesus Christ. Brethren Christians overseas near and in the Islamic nations are being beheaded. There's simply too many signs on this earth today to show the devil is still reigning here, and not our Lord Jesus yet.

So even though Paul told us that Jesus is seated on his throne and Jesus himself told us that he has received all authority, you say it's not true. Noted.

Truth7t7 · Dec 21, 2017

LastSeven said:
It makes a lot more sense if the last day resurrection is the last resurrection. It's the last day before the new earth where there will be no more moon, no more night. Just one eternal glorious day. That's why it's called the last day.

You will note those that partake in the "First Resurrection" all that have died in faith, on such the "Second Death/Resurrection" has no power.

The two resurrections as seen in John 5:28-29, are clearly seen in Revelation 20:4-6

The second death is the resurrection to eternal damnation, as seen in Revelation 20:11-15, John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:1-2

We agree the 1000 is not literal as 2 Peter 3:8 teaches, and is taking place now in the spiritual.

LastSeven the "First Resurrection" is the
future "Last Day" resurrection of all believers, the "Second Death/Resurrection" is the wicked to eternal damnation.

The righteous are blessed to be in the "First Resurrection" to eternal life.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 21, 2017

LastSeven said:
God told you not to consider amillenialism?

That's interesting. I guess I didn't get the memo.

Yes, it was sent.

He never makes anyone accept it though, only those "willing" to obey Him.

The others? They all got and accepted the memo from the downstairs dept.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 21, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
There will be no 1000 year earthly kingdom, "Eternity Has Started"

Someone posted this several times a week or more ago.
It is still wrong-sourced and in error, apparently willingly trying to support something(s) amil. (already known false teachings)

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 21, 2017

LastSeven said:
Noted.

GOOD,
one step.
Now, note the rebellion/ wickednesses, vileness, opposition to all Jesus' children on earth by the governments (and all the religions) of the world opposed to YHWH, as YHWH Says.

When He Returns, He Establishes His Authority as DIRECTED by ABBA YHWH.

Marilyn C · Dec 21, 2017

Stephen Mendes said:
When was this prophecy fulfilled on earth ?..... cause it certainly does not refer to the eternal state.

'... and they shall bring thy sons in their arms; and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and queens thy nursing mothers; they shall bow down to thee with their faces toward the earth, and shall lick up the dust of thy feet, and thou shalt know that I am the Lord; for they shall not be ashamed who wait for me' (Isaiah 49:22 - 23)

Hi Stephen,

Yes that scripture is a wonderful declaration to Israel of the Lord`s promised fulfilment that they would rule over the nations of the earth - in the millennium. `All flesh shall know that I, the Lord, am your Saviour, and Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.` (Isa. 49: 26)

Then we read in Isa. 66 where the actual fulfilment takes place - `Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the Lord....to my holy mountain Jerusalem.` (Isa. 66: 20)

Good scriptures to show of the earthly millennium. Marilyn.

Marilyn C · Dec 21, 2017

DavidPT said:
The following is my attempt at reasoning through some of these things.

Ezekiel 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.

Ezekiel 34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my even my servant David

my servant David a prince among them

David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd

my servant David shall be their prince for ever

This last one anyway----my servant David shall be their prince for ever----can't fit forever inside of a millennium. Perhaps Truth7t7 can, but as to the rest of us, I think we all pretty much agree a millennium and for ever meaning the same thing, that that is a contradiction.

John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

1 Peter 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Revelation 7:17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Based on these Scriptures from the NT, and there's more than just these, and the fact Ezekiel 37:25 indicates---my servant David shall be their prince for ever---how could David His servant not be meaning Christ in this context?

Let's consider this as well----and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd(John 10:16)----compared with----And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David(Ezekiel 34:23)

If these are not meaning the same shepherd, one plus one does not equal one, it equals two. Scripture can't contradict itself, but this would be a contradiction if this shepherd in both passages are not referring to the same shepherd, in this case, that shepherd being Christ.

Hi David,

I see you have jumped to the Lord being the Shepherd, however God is speaking through the prophet Ezekiel to Israel. The man, David, has sons and will live a long time, as others in the millennium for there will be no more wars and it will be a healthier life.

The word `forever,` often does mean eternity, however it can also just mean a `long time.` Now that is the context of this man, David being Israel`s Prince ruling Israel, for a long time, in the millennium.

Marilyn,

LastSeven · Dec 21, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
You will note those that partake in the "First Resurrection" all that have died in faith, on such the "Second Death/Resurrection" has no power.

The two resurrections as seen in John 5:28-29, are clearly seen in Revelation 20:4-6

The second death is the resurrection to eternal damnation, as seen in Revelation 20:11-15, John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:1-2

We agree the 1000 is not literal as 2 Peter 3:8 teaches, and is taking place now in the spiritual.

LastSeven the "First Resurrection" is the
future "Last Day" resurrection of all believers, the "Second Death/Resurrection" is the wicked to eternal damnation.

The righteous are blessed to be in the "First Resurrection" to eternal life.

Why do you equate the second resurrection with the second death?

LastSeven · Dec 21, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
GOOD,
one step.
Now, note the rebellion/ wickednesses, vileness, opposition to all Jesus' children on earth by the governments (and all the religions) of the world opposed to YHWH, as YHWH Says.

When He Returns, He Establishes His Authority as DIRECTED by ABBA YHWH.

So you're prepared to ignore clear teaching on the current authority and reign of Jesus in order to continue down this path. Aren't you afraid that might lead to further errors?

seventysevens · Dec 21, 2017

Marilyn C said:
Hi David,

I see you have jumped to the Lord being the Shepherd, however God is speaking through the prophet Ezekiel to Israel. The man, David, has sons and will live a long time, as others in the millennium for there will be no more wars and it will be a healthier life.

The word `forever,` often does mean eternity, however it can also just mean a `long time.` Now that is the context of this man, David being Israel`s Prince ruling Israel, for a long time, in the millennium.

Marilyn,

Hi Marilyn,

After reading many other commentaries to see what other scholars think of this matter it seems that most believe that the King is either Christ himself or King David of OT . The various scriptures that tie David to being a king after Gods own heart - Jesus in the lineage of King David and all the things that are related that The Lord Christ is that King makes good sense and even David of OT fits if Christ assigns someone to be that millennial king

Ezekiel makes it clear that David will be King - so who is this David ?
Being that Ezekiel uses the name David there is a purpose for it , for if it would simply be some man that is unknown; it does not fit that this unknown man will be Christs stand-in right-hand man as it were,

If that be the case it seems that Ezekiel would have said something like that 'there will be a king on earth , not Messiah but another man ' But He uses the name David and there has not been any human to date than can replace either Christ or David of OT to fill the position of millennial king
David of OT seems to have a special place in Gods heart that may qualify him for favor that others in the OT time did not receive

i suppose it is possible that some special man will appear out of the Great Trib , but even if that be the case it would seem that Ezekiel would have mentioned it

Do you have a special David in mind as to who he is?

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 21, 2017

LastSeven said:
So you're prepared to ignore clear teaching on the current authority and reign of Jesus in order to continue down this path. Aren't you afraid that might lead to further errors?

Since that whole idea is beyond ludicrous, always was and is opposed to YHWH and His Word, and was begun as a source opposed to Christ and continued on purpose to oppress and to deceive all the people,
no.

Truth7t7 · Dec 21, 2017

Marilyn C said:
Hi Stephen,

Yes that scripchapters a wonderful declaration to Israel of the Lord`s promised fulfilment that they would rule over the nations of the earth - in the millennium. `All flesh shall know that I, the Lord, am your Saviour, and Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.` (Isa. 49: 26)

Then we read in Isa. 66 where the actual fulfilment takes place - `Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the Lord....to my holy mountain Jerusalem.` (Isa. 66: 20)

Good scriptures to show of the earthly millennium. Marilyn.

Isaiah chapters 65/66 represent the Eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

The chapters clearly state this, also seen in Revelation 22:1-5

Marilyn C · Dec 21, 2017

seventysevens said:
Hi Marilyn,

After reading many other commentaries to see what other scholars think of this matter it seems that most believe that the King is either Christ himself or King David of OT . The various scriptures that tie David to being a king after Gods own heart - Jesus in the lineage of King David and all the things that are related that The Lord Christ is that King makes good sense and even David of OT fits if Christ assigns someone to be that millennial king

Ezekiel makes it clear that David will be King - so who is this David ?
Being that Ezekiel uses the name David there is a purpose for it , for if it would simply be some man that is unknown; it does not fit that this unknown man will be Christs stand-in right-hand man as it were,

If that be the case it seems that Ezekiel would have said something like that 'there will be a king on earth , not Messiah but another man ' But He uses the name David and there has not been any human to date than can replace either Christ or David of OT to fill the position of millennial king
David of OT seems to have a special place in Gods heart that may qualify him for favor that others in the OT time did not receive

i suppose it is possible that some special man will appear out of the Great Trib , but even if that be the case it would seem that Ezekiel would have mentioned it

Do you have a special David in mind as to who he is?

Hi SS,

It can`t be the Lord as the person has actual sons. Then it can`t be King David of old as he is in the General Assembly as I previously said. Remember that this person is a regent king under the Lord who will rule through him, as it were, (by the Holy Spirit).

If you read on you will see that it does refer to Israel ruling over the nations on this earth.

`My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be my people. The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary is in their midst for evermore, (meaning long time.)

The man David, is just that, a man called David. That obviously is a favourite name in Israel, being the name of their most popular king. Still he is just a man called David. The Holy Spirit knows what he is saying and we are not to read anymore into it then what scripture says.

A man called David becomes king for a long time in Israel in the millennium and has sons to whom he gives his inheritance to.

Marilyn.

Marilyn C · Dec 21, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Isaiah chapters 65/66 represent the Eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

The chapers

You need to read a bit further into the ch. bro. The first part is what God is going to do, then He says BUT ...telling this is what I will do FIRST - make Jerusalem a joy, - people still die, so it is NOT the new heavens and new earth. God is saying he will do that later.

We often say what we are going to do and then talk of the steps toward that goal. That is what God is saying.

Truth7t7 · Dec 21, 2017

Marilyn C said:
Hi David,

I see you have jumped to the Lord being the Shepherd, however God is speaking through the prophet Ezekiel to Israel. The man, David, has sons and will live a long time, as others in the millennium for there will be no more wars and it will be a healthier life.

The word `forever,` often does mean eternity, however it can also just mean a `long time.` Now that is the context of this man, David being Israel`s Prince ruling Israel, for a long time, in the millennium.

Marilyn,

No such things as a 1000 year earthly kingom found in scripture.

Matthew 25:31-46 teaches Jesus returns in the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom.

Truth7t7 · Dec 21, 2017

Marilyn C said:
You need to read a bit further into the ch. bro. The first part is what God is going to do, then He says BUT ...telling this is what I will do FIRST - make Jerusalem a joy, - people still die, so it is NOT the new heavens and new earth. God is saying he will do that later.

We often say what we are going to do and then talk of the steps toward that goal. That is what God is saying.

I disagree that the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem come later, they are Isaiah 65/66

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