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Only if what you posted in English is correctly understood , which apparently and obviously it is not .
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Only if what you posted in English is correctly understood , which apparently and obviously it is not .yea right , scripture is posted - if you apply a different meaning - then you have the problem understanding what it means
If you think you know so much - share with the world You think it means !Only if what you posted in English is correctly understood , which apparently and obviously it is not .
Did you not read the posts before this? (just today's. not 37 pages (it's not worth reading that much)If you think you know so much - share with the world You think it means !
Stop wasting time say what you think, you playing gamesDid you not read the posts before this? (just today's. not 37 pages (it's not worth reading that much)
It's fun, for now.Stop wasting time say what you think, you playing games
Oh, well of course we're not physically seated on thrones. We're still here. Obviously anybody reading the words "God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus" being spoken by a man who is still physically on earth, can understand that he didn't mean "physically", but does that make it any less true?I mean as in literally, where one is literally physically, bodily, present there in heaven with Christ where He is currently dwelling. Maybe I should have said physically instead. That passage can only be understood in a spiritual sense. It is not meaning physically, thus why I asked how this same passage is applicable to saints that have physically died.
Cool story bro.Hi LastSeven,
Remember that scripture concerning the Lord putting down all (rebellious) authority and power, well that starts in the trib, and goes right through to the great White Throne. And as there is rebellious authority on earth as well as in the universal heavens then the Lord will be ruling over them - casting down Satan and his fallen angels, dealing with the world systems and their leadership and armies, then judging over those who didn`t look after His brethren the Jews in the trib, then on into the millennium where any rebellion will be dealt with.
So the Lord will be reigning over the earth in the trib, the millennium and on into the New heavens and New Earth, BUT NOT ON the earth ever.
regards, Marilyn.
I think the word you're looking for there is "moot".Mute point.
Oh, well of course we're not physically seated on thrones. We're still here. Obviously anybody reading the words "God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus" being spoken by a man who is still physically on earth, can understand that he didn't mean "physically", but does that make it any less true?
Sorry Davy, the final judgment has taken place already as seen in Revelation 20:11-15
There will be no wicked walking around living in the eternal kingdom where the tree of life is present in Revelation 22:14-15
I'm somewhat inclined to agree with you here, to a degree anyway. Now ask yourself this----
Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
This is clearly meaning after the 2nd coming and is occurring during the new heavens and new earth. Unless people could still transgress against the LORD after this, what is the point in them going forth and looking upon these? I tend to think it is a further warning to the mortal survivors remaining after the 2nd coming, that if you transgress against me as well, you too will meet this same fate. They are then given a thousand years and are tested one last time when satan is loosed.
I have always concluded that the creating of the new heavens and new earth are not instantaneous, but is a process over time. Isaiah 66:24 seems to somewhat prove this theory. How? Compare that verse with the following.
Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Compared with---
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind----And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me
How can both be true at the same time?
Obviously I know that the body is raised a spiritual body, but even though it's a spiritual body it's still a physical resurrection. It's not a resurrection of the flesh, but it's still physical.
I think you're confused. I never claimed to know when the restitution of all things would take place, but Acts 3:21 does tie two events together. The return of Jesus and the restitution of all things happen in the same time frame.
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.
Which means Jesus returns at the end of the thousand years, not the beginning. I think that's pretty clear. I don't know why you insist on jumping through hoops to change the meaning of that verse. Would it be so horrible for Jesus to return at the end?
Sigh. You assume nonsense because you don't understand. Those "souls" John saw in heaven is us. We are those souls. We are those who are figuratively seated on thrones in heaven. It's not dead people he's seeing there. It's all those who are in Christ.But what about the souls in Revelation 20:4? Should we assume they are now literally physically seated with Christ in heavenly places? It makes no sense to also apply something meant in a spiritual sense to those that have already physically died. If the first resurrection has to do with this age in a spiritual sense of some kind, the same has to apply to the souls John sees in Revelation 20:4 since they too have part in the first resurrection. Which also means they too shall be priests of God and Christ during this thousand years. You cannot see some of the nonsense one has to believe if the first resurrection is not meaning the bodily one when Christ returns? Are you that brainwashed by Amil that you can no longer recognize nonsense when you see it?
Cool, yes, thx. (maybe both?)I think the word you're looking for there is "moot".
Or maybe not.
The "First" resurrection seen is nothing more than that, a future bodily.But what about the souls in Revelation 20:4? Should we assume they are now literally physically seated with Christ in heavenly places? It makes no sense to also apply something meant in a spiritual sense to those that have already physically died. If the first resurrection has to do with this age in a spiritual sense of some kind, the same has to apply to the souls John sees in Revelation 20:4 since they too have part in the first resurrection. Which also means they too shall be priests of God and Christ during this thousand years. You cannot see some of the nonsense one has to believe if the first resurrection is not meaning the bodily one when Christ returns? Are you that brainwashed by Amil that you can no longer recognize nonsense when you see it?
The reason you don't understand my reasoning is because you insist on a future millennium. That's messing you up. Try to look at it from the perspective that we are in the millennium now. It will all fit together nicely.Yes, I understand you on that.
That I don't agree with. All the Acts 3:21 verse tells us is about our Lord's return, and that He will restore, but not exactly the 'when'. That He does that immediately at His return can only... be assumed. And per God's Way, at least two or more witnesses are needed for proof. Just the fact of the existence of the unsaved nations, especially like those left that came up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world like the latter part of Zechariah 14 shows, and in Ezek.44 that the rebellious of God's people that will stand in judgment during that time, shows the restoration will not yet be complete. This also is Paul's idea in 1 Cor.15 that Jesus "must reign" first until He has put all enemies under His feet. His enemies still have to exist for Him to do that in His future Millennium reign.
It makes a lot more sense if the last day resurrection is the last resurrection. It's the last day before the new earth where there will be no more moon, no more night. Just one eternal glorious day. That's why it's called the last day.The "First" resurrection seen is nothing more than that, a future bodily.
All believers will be resurrected on "The Last Day" as Jesus taught John 6:40
That fits nicely with man's tradition, but not at all with Scripture.Try to look at it from the perspective that we are in the millennium now. It will all fit together nicely.
You haven't tried.That fits nicely with man's tradition, but not at all with Scripture.
YHWH is opposed to it.You haven't tried.
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