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Jesus Christ Taught in Matthew 25:31-46 That At His Second Coming, The Final Judgment, Eternal Life, Eternal Kingdom Takes Place.
"No Earthly Millennial Kingdom Of 1000 Years To Follow".
Matthew 25:31-46
Verses 31-32 Jesus returns wth the angels, the nations are gathered before the throne for judgment.
Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.
Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.
Verse 46 the righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34
Eternity Has Started, For Ever And Ever
I know this wasn't directed at me, but this is too simple. The first resurrection is for the righteous only. The second resurrection is for both the righteous and the wicked.
In other words, the righteous get two resurrections. A spiritual, and a physical. Those who take part in the spiritual resurrection (accepting Jesus) don't have to fear the lake of fire.
Do you not see how far you have stretched the meaning , this is not a bodily resurrection- if it is then we are resurrected every day of our lives if we followEphesians 2:4-6
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus
There's your first resurrection and reign with Christ, right there. It doesn't get much clearer than this.
If the goats in Matthew 25 represented all of the unsaved, including atheists, witches, satan worshipers, so on and so on, you would have verses that can't be trumped nor disputed. But the goats don't represent all of the unsaved. Context matters. It determines meaning.
Wrong . Where you are creating confusion is calling it a resurrection to compare with scriptural resurrection , that is why the scripture makes it clear to avoid this confusion , we understand the point but you are creating unnecessary confusion by categorizing as a resurrection as a spirit does not die so it cannot be resurrectedJohn 5:28 refers to the second resurrection. The first resurrection is spiritual. That explains it.
I cannot agree that the new heavens and the new earth starts on the day of Jesus' return.
Is there scripture that endorses these thoughts ?Here's how I see Scripture teaching the events; where I don't agree is with treating the "dead" of Rev.20:5 meaning they aren't raised until the end of the thousand years. NO idea of flesh death can be applied after Christ's coming; only the "second death" is in effect for that time.
1. Christ's return: both just and the unjust resurrected to a spiritual body on that day. Everyone on earth... are changed to the spiritual body on that day. Christ's elect who will reign with Him are the "first resurrection" and never subject to the "second death".
Dave there is one time of eternal judgment as seen in Matthew 25:31-46, this is when the book of life is open.If the goats in Matthew 25 represented all of the unsaved, including atheists, witches, satan worshipers, so on and so on, you would have verses that can't be trumped nor disputed. But the goats don't represent all of the unsaved. Context matters. It determines meaning.
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Do the unsaved, atheists, witches, satan worshippers, etc. live in "nations"?
If they do live in nations then we appreciate you saying that we "have verses that cannot be trumped or disputed".
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Revelation 20:4-6No, no. It doesn't say that. See, this is where you have to be careful. We're not told that "only the rest of the dead live again". We're told that "the rest of the dead live again". You can't insert that word "only" because that changes the meaning.
The way it's written allows for the second resurrection to include both the wicked and the righteous. The way you say it, it sounds like the second resurrection is only for the wicked. You have to read it the way it's written and not change the meaning with subtle little words.
Dave there is one time of eternal judgment as seen in Matthew 25:31-46, this is when the book of life is open.
Yes Matthew 25:31-46 & Revelation 20:11-15 is the same final Judgment.
Dave you teach of three groups.
1.) Sheep/Righteous
2.) Goats/Intermediate State
3.) Wicked/Satanist, Witches, Athiest
Dave The Doctrine you Espouse Is Nothing More Than The Roman Catholic Purgatory, A False Teaching.
As The Roman Catholics Also Teach Of These Same Three Groups.
I direct you to my post I just made to BABerean2, post #89. Prove your case there. Prove to me that all of the unsaved can fit the answer the goats give to Jesus per verse 44 in Matthew 25.
Says who? You? God has no such limitations.I disagree the word "Resurrection" is always reserved for the bodily, not spiritual.
Dave you espouse the false doctrines of Roman Catholicism, nothing new.
Dave there is one time of eternal judgment as seen in Matthew 25:31-46, this is when the book of life is open.
Yes Matthew 25:31-46 & Revelation 20:11-15 is the same final Judgment.
Dave you teach of three groups.
1.) Sheep/Righteous
2.) Goats/Intermediate State
3.) Wicked/Satanist, Witches, Athiest
Dave The Doctrine you Espouse Is Nothing More Than The Roman Catholic Purgatory, A False Teaching.
As The Roman Catholics Also Teach Of These Same Three Groups.
You're not even remotely proving yourself correct and me wrong though. In order to begin to do that, you have to first reasonably explain why atheists, too, would answer Jesus in the same manner the goats answer in verse 44.
Purgatory? LOL. What does that have to do with anything? I don't believe in that nonsense. Never have, never will.
Rev 5 doesn't say anything about the thousand years, does it? I believe that to be a reference to the new earth because Rev 22 tells us that the righteous will reign on the new earth.More confusing that is.
The "first resurrection" of Rev.20 is about Christ's elect Church that will reign with Him, and Rev.5 does... say they will reign "on the earth". Even the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" of Rev.20 are shown to be on earth.
I don't know why you think I'm confused about the spiritual body.So it sounds like you're confusing the requirements of flesh with a spiritual body that our Lord and Apostle Paul taught. The "spiritual body" which the resurrection is can live upon this earth just like we today do. The example the two angels God sent to Lot in Genesis 19 shows this as they had the image of man and they were able to eat man's food.
A third resurrection? During the thousand years? I think you're making this far too complicated.I believe there will be a second resurrection also, but... another like the "first resurrection", not for the wicked but for those during the "thousand years" that will come to Christ Jesus and be saved at the end of the thousand years. That's how I understand about the Rev.20:5 dead that lived not again until the thousand years were over. The wicked who will still refuse Jesus will not 'live again' but into the "lake of fire".
I think we agree here.So the idea of Life in that future time when the concept of flesh death ended at Christ's coming, is Eternal Life through Christ Jesus only. If you are subject to Life in that time, then you belong to Christ. If you are subject to the "second death", then you reject Christ, even in a resurrection body.
I don't think we really know, or can really understand, what the second death is. It's a bit of a mystery. All I know is, I don't want it.So because there is a "resurrection of damnation" also, it means they are raised to the "spiritual body" too, but something they have is still 'mortal' and subject to the "second death". I believe that to be the soul, and what Paul meant with "this mortal must put on immortality". It involves belief on Jesus Christ and thus experiencing the spiritual regeneration of the soul.
You're right. The spiritual body does not mean automatic salvation.Therefore also, the "spiritual body" is just an image body type for the heavenly dimension. It does not mean automatic Salvation since the wicked of the "resurrection of damnation" also will have it. For this earthly dimension our flesh body image is it, but for the heavenly, the spiritual body, or also what Paul called "the image of the heavenly", is it.
Says who? You? God has no such limitations.
Actually scripture uses the word in relationship to the spiritual resurrection in Revelation 20.All accounts of the word "resurrection" in the new testament King James Version, are in relationship to the "Bodily"
Go to biblegateway, and do your word search, prove me wrong
Dave you teach of three groups in the eternal state. This is the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory.
You can deny you believe it, but you sure are teaching it.
1.) Sheep/Righteous
2.) Goats/
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