Millennial Considerations

BABerean2 · Dec 16, 2017

Stephen Mendes said:
Binding for a specific purpose ?

I admit is creative and ingenious..... bound but not bound all at the same time.... wow

Did you make that up yourself ?

Mat_12:29　 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

2Pe_2:4　 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jud_1:6　 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

No professor. It came from scripture...

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LastSeven · Dec 16, 2017

seventysevens said:
Yes satan has access to Gods throne for the purpose of accusing the brethren,. he is the prince of the air at this time .

Actually that was satan fall from grace , satan formerly was known as Lucifer , the most powerful - most beautiful Cherub angel God made.
He was the annoited cherub a very special cherub .
Lucifer because he became conceited with pride boasting that he will be like the Most High , his high ranking status was being supreme being in the Garden of God and he sinned against the Most High God.

Then God cast Lucifer out of the Garden of God , this was before Adam was created . The result of Lucifer sinning against God was God casting him out of the Garden of God losing all status as a anointed cherub.
Jesus was speaking of how fast Lucifer lost it all , as fast as lightning he fell from the highest anointed cherub to the enemy of God

There is no redemption for angels and lucifer became known as ha~satan as he became very angry that God created Adam to rule in the Garden after it became filled with vegetation -so lucifer became Ha~satan after mankind took his place in the Garden and has sought to and still seeks to cause God's beloved humankind to turn against their creator.,
He is still at it today accusing people of their sins
lucifer fell from the highest anointed cherub and out of the 3rd heaven as fast as lightning , though now he is called the prince of darkness , the prince of the air and he will soon be cast down to earth when the Man of Lawlessness appears on the world scene , it is one of the woes in the Revelation ,
if you need scriptures I can get them later

Look at Revelation 12 again. It makes a clear correlation between Satan being cast out of heaven and Jesus receiving his authority.

Revelation 12
But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. 11 They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb

Look. The brothers and sisters triumphed over the accuser by the blood of the lamb. How could this possibly have taken place before Adam was created? Before Adam there were no brothers and sisters and there certainly was no "blood of the lamb".

Obviously this happened when Jesus triumphed over death and established his kingdom. It doesn't get much clearer than this.

LastSeven · Dec 16, 2017

DavidPT said:
Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

How is something like this explained then? If months don't consist of days, what do they consist of then? If 12 months times 12 months, as an example, don't involve years, what do they involve then?

Good point. Now here is where it gets interesting, because if you believe that reference to "every month" in verse 2 to be literal, then you must also believe that verse 5 is literal when it says "There will be no more night".

So how do you reconcile that? Will there be months, without nights? Or is verse 5 symbolic and verse 2 literal? Or is it the other way around?

LastSeven · Dec 16, 2017

seventysevens said:
Satan has not yet been bound , he is still freely roaming the earth accusing Gods people of wrong doings , he will be bound when Jesus returns , that is the wall between amil and premil , amil believe satan is locked up now when he is not yet locked up

Well, since you took it upon yourself to respond to that post of mine, you should at least answer the question I asked.

Do you believe that there is still death during the millennium?

vinsight4u · Dec 16, 2017

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DavidPT · Dec 16, 2017

LastSeven said:
Good point. Now here is where it gets interesting, because if you believe that reference to "every month" in verse 2 to be literal, then you must also believe that verse 5 is literal when it says "There will be no more night".

So how do you reconcile that? Will there be months, without nights? Or is verse 5 symbolic and verse 2 literal? Or is it the other way around?

There is the following as well.

Ezekiel 47:12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

That makes two passages telling us this involves months. Clearly this verse above is meaning this same tree of life mentioned in Revelation 22. Currently, nor in the past, except maybe during the time of the garden of Eden, is there such a tree existing, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed. The text says----it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months. Why say it like that if literal months are not meant?

DavidPT · Dec 16, 2017

vinsight4u said:
The little horn king goes down at the end of 42 months - not the 1335 days of Daniel 12. Daniel rises - stands in his lot at the 1290 days.

42 months... end of trib/little horn dead
7th trumpet sounds
Wrath of God can begin soon.
vials full of the wrath of God
the beast out of the sea is taken down/cast into the lake of fire along with the false prophet
Israel returns to her land and dwells safely
a great tumult - goes after the cattle and goods of Israel that she gained while she dwelt safely
those that remain - must come to worship the King and keep the feast tabernacles -or get no rain
Satan is loosed and gathers the nations/Gog
fire comes down out of heaven
sheep and goats judgment comes later and the resurrection of the unjust-and the new earth

Are you sure you're not Amil? I only see some of these things working if coming from an Amil POV. No way does the sheep and goats judgment happen after a future millennium. The text in Matthew 25 makes it perfectly clear that this judgment takes place upon Christ's return.

DavidPT · Dec 16, 2017

LastSeven said:
Do you believe that there is still death during the millennium?

Any particular reason you are asking this? You obviously believe there is death during the millennium. Yet I don't know what it might mean to you if a Premil also believes there is death during the millennium, or if a Premil believes there is no death during the millennium. As to me, I'm uncertain. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. But if Premil is the correct position though, there will be plenty of death after the millennium for certain.

Truth7t7 · Dec 16, 2017

DavidPT said:
Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

How is something like this explained then? If months don't consist of days, what do they consist of then? If 12 months times 12 months, as an example, don't involve years, what do they involve then?

They involve from one new moon to another as seen in Isaiah 66:23 this equals a month

The new moons and sabbath days will be eternally observed in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

The solar Gregorian calendar is gone, God time starts

vinsight4u · Dec 16, 2017

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Truth7t7 · Dec 16, 2017

Stephen Mendes said:
Binding for a specific purpose ?

I admit is creative and ingenious..... bound but not bound all at the same time.... wow

Did you make that up yourself ? Did you learn it along with the rest of the Amil doctrine ? could it have come from 'you know who' ?

Just wondering.....

Lets start working on your self proclaimed thousands of verses that show a earthly 1000 year kingdom?

Two at a time, you gonna continue to run from the Truth

LastSeven · Dec 16, 2017

DavidPT said:
Any particular reason you are asking this? You obviously believe there is death during the millennium. Yet I don't know what it might mean to you if a Premil also believes there is death during the millennium, or if a Premil believes there is no death during the millennium. As to me, I'm uncertain. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. But if Premil is the correct position though, there will be plenty of death after the millennium for certain.

The reason I ask is because death is a result of sin, and sin comes from Satan. So if there is death during the millennium, there is also Satan.

And that goes against what some of you premils have been preaching.

Marilyn C · Dec 17, 2017

LastSeven said:
See this is the wall between amils and premils. Premils insist that the binding of Satan means there is no more evil on earth, while Amils believe that the binding of Satan limits him in some ways but not in all ways.

Let me ask you this, do you think there is no more death during the thousand years?

Hi LastSeven,

Mmm I think you have me confused with `whoever.` Of course there is death in the millennium, as there are still mortals of the nations and of Israel, who are learning the ways of God, as God had purposed and then brings to fulfilment.

Marilyn.

Marilyn C · Dec 17, 2017

LastSeven said:
The reason I ask is because death is a result of sin, and sin comes from Satan. So if there is death during the millennium, there is also Satan.

And that goes against what some of you premils have been preaching.

Actually LS,

Sin comes from the heart against God. Man can do that very well without blaming Satan all the time!

Marilyn.

Marilyn C · Dec 17, 2017

vinsight4u said:
Luke 12:46

“The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.”

cut /sunder
appoint -with the unbelievers

Luke 12:45

“But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;”
say - delayeth His coming

Matthew 24:49
"...drink with the drunkards...v48 "///say...delayeth His coming;"

And where vinsight4u is that place - the grave and then at the great White Throne Judgment after the earth and heavens are burnt up then they will go to the lake of fire.

Marilyn.

Marilyn C · Dec 17, 2017

vinsight4u said:
I look at how Matthew 25 begins and ends. It starts out with "Then..." So, this means to look back at the end of chapter 24 and find out what is going on. It is the time of gnashing of teeth.

And vinsight4u we well know that often scripture jumps a space, as it does here for - what are the people judged on - How they rejected Jesus? Or what wicked things they did? Or not even following their God given conscience?

No, they were judged on if they fed, clothed, gave water, visited in hospital Christ`s brethren!!!!!

Mmmm makes you think - What gospel is that!!!!!

Marilyn.

vinsight4u · Dec 17, 2017

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