Millenial reign question...

[sawdust]

After the Second Coming and judgement Jesus will reign on Earth for a thousand years and Satan will be bound for that time, then loosed for a short time.

My question is a simple one: Why? If he is to lead a final rebellion, aren't those reigning with Christ in danger of falling again? Scary thought...

At the end of the Tribulation Christ will return and remove all unbelievers from the earth.

and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Matt.24:39-41

The Millenium reign will begin with only believers (both Jew and Gentile) who have survived. Children will be born to them during the thousand years but not all those born will believe on the Lord even though He is physically present reigning on the Earth at the time.

The fact that Satan is able to lead a rebellion at the end of the Millenium lays to rest the sort of excuses people use like ... "if I could see God, I would believe" ... or ... ""if my circumstances were better, I would be happier".

Both these statements are proved false by the fact that people still are not happy even when circumstances are perfect or they don't believe even when the Son of God (in Glory) is physically manifested in their midst.

Satan's last rebellion proves once and for all that God alone is absolutely right in all that He has said and that salvation is by grace through faith.

No other way, no other truth, no other life!


peace

 

[dana b]

At the end of the Tribulation Christ will return and remove all unbelievers from the earth. That is from European Christian Israel. Well now that the year 2000AD has passed I guesse thats all happened. So Jesus will be 12 years old in 2012AD. I wonder if he'll show himself then or wait untill he's 30 like he did before. Remember how he said earlier "my time has not yet come." O that reapeating history! dan b

 

[Covenant Heart]

Er ... Dandy from BC --

DZingZing and I certainly have our differences, but with patience, we can at least get a sense of where we're at. But you -- meaning no disrespect, Dandy, but the overall cosmology is just too different. It's like we're on different planets and have no lexicons with which to translate ourselves.

Be blessed!

Covenant Heart

 

[dana b]

Well I suppose it's whether you follow the Bible or if you believe all whats written in those history books. I follow the bible. Do you really think that historians are honest brokers all the time. But the Bible is. Anyway, lifes like that. dan b

 

[Zadok7000]

After the Second Coming and judgement Jesus will reign on Earth for a thousand years and Satan will be bound for that time, then loosed for a short time.

My question is a simple one: Why? If he is to lead a final rebellion, aren't those reigning with Christ in danger of falling again? Scary thought...

They won't be in danger of falling again:
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power

 

[vinsight4u]

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[dana b]

You will never wait out the millennim you expect because it's already here. Hebrew and Christian time-keeping tells us the 7th day began in 2000AD. And as 2 Pet.3;9 tells us "the Lord is not slack concerning his promice."

TIME OF THE END FORECAST

Destruction and time of Troubles as never before has ben forecast to immediately precede the morning of the third day of third millennium. At this time as never before he said there would be the possibility for total destruction. In 1999AD our nuclear weapons could indeed easily have destroyed the entire world.

ALL SECRETS SHOUTED FROM THE ROOFTOPS

Only today in this modern world do we have antennas and satelite dishes on many rooftops which are beaming and announcing the secrets of almost everyone including the American President and calling it the news!

ALL DEEDS WILL BE WRITTEN IN A BOOK

Today in our modern literate world nearly every activity and every action is indeed written in a book. More and more events, activities, and transactions are being recorded and documented as they have never been before until the 20th century.

SON OF MAN WILL COME UPON A CLOUD

Today, many people travel in airplanes.

*- P.S. To say that the "son of man" is Jesus Christ would be to deny his virgin birth.

 

[Zadok7000]

*- P.S. To say that the "son of man" is Jesus Christ would be to deny his virgin birth.

Are you trolling?
Matthew's gospel alone disproves your statement dozens of times...

PS
Mary was a flesh man. Just not a male.

 

[dana b]

Jesus used the term " the son of man," not the son of mankind. Who was the man whos son Jesus was if he was the son of "MAN."? dan b

 

[Zadok7000]

Jesus used the term " the son of man," not the son of mankind. Who was the man whos son Jesus was if he was the son of "MAN."? dan b

Yup, you're trolling. Or highly immature Biblically.

 

[Covenant Heart]

'Son Of Man'

Jesus' favored self-designation?

Blessings!

Covenant Heart

 

[dana b]

I've always wonderd about this referall that Jesus used. Was he reffering to himself, or to mankind in general. I still wondering. It dos't make sense. It seems that each time he says it the application can be to mankind in general. "The son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: and they shall kill him and the third day he shall be raised again." Matt.17;22;23 this could quite easily be a referance to mankind's betrayal to false Christianity over the past 2000 years, and now our revival as Euopean Christian Israel for the third millennium. I'm not saying I know for sure of course. But I go more with that meaning. Can you please, if you have time show me applications where it doesn't fit. Thanks dan b

 

[Covenant Heart]

Son Of Man --

doesn't concern Jesus' humanity, as an older generation of scholarship presumed. The expression is to be understood as defined by Biblical usage. Ezekiel used the expression often, but so did others.

Mt 9:6 -- Authority to forgive sin.
Mt 12:8 -- Lord of the Sabbath.
Mt 12:40 -- Resurrection.
Mt 13:37 -- Sower of the good seed.
Mt 13:41 -- The one who purges his kingdom.

See also Simon's confession in Mt 16:13ff.

Many other references could be cited which also show the theological import of the term. But these are sufficient to show that the term concerns neither Christ in his humanity, and certainly not a repudiation of his deity.

Blessings!

Covenant Heart

 

[dana b]

Thanks for the "son of man" verses. Well I looked at them in the Bible, I tried to see them as conventional Christians do. At first I thought yes mabey he is refering to himself. But more I think no, he's definitly not refering to himself.
Now I believe in Jesus Christ the "son of God" born of a virgin, raised up and died on the physical wooden cross, forgave us, died, and three days later was raised again by God, seen by people and went to god his father. But whenever he spoke of the son of man he meant people who were born of a human male father. Jesus spoke using this term because in this way his words are so true, so big, so all incompassing, just as every word in the Holy Bible is. He said "son of man" for that very reason. If we are of the sheep his father has given him we will do and can do each and every thing that he said the "son of man" can do. God made the world for Mankind who he created in his image. We are not just another creation the Bible tells us. Not like an animal or fish or fowl. We are created by God in the "image of God." And just as he took 6 days to do his creating as the Father we too were given 6000 years to do ours, which we today have. Jesus said that after he taught us that we would then call directly to the father too. Don't get me wrong. Jesus Christ is our Lord and saviour and that is exactly why the term does't fit him. He's the only person on earth that isn't the "son of man." In Rev.20;12 there are two books, one for god to judge our deeds on earth by, like the old law I suppose. Another book has those who accepted and followed Jesus Christ. He said his father gave judgment to him. I therefore trust the Lord Jesus Christ with all my heart and mind. I just feel he is good!

Matt.-9;6 - The son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins. In Matt.6;14 Jesus says to us to forgive mens sins. Thats what makes sense to me in this verse.

Matt.12;8 - Son of man is lord of the sabbath. Jesus and god(in the old testament) said that the sabbath was made for men, not men made for the sabbath.(God said in the O.T. he's no longer interested in us keeping special days)

Matt. 12;40 - Son of man will be 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth. This is the same as in Revelations when it calls some people of the earth or on earth. I feel it means the earthly not heavenly people. Heaven is in the minds of men and angels are the thoughts.(hell is also in men's minds) The Bible's verses speak in a microcosimic and macrocosm context. I, after studying much personally believe that each bible verse has multiple meanings that all are fully true because god can't talk without his words being all encompassing.

Matt.13;37 - The son of man sows good seed. Here he is saying that those of us, sons of men, can sow good seed. Mabey some can sow bad seed. We, mankind are the focus of the bible. God loves us, he created us in his image and so we are his children growing up.

Matt. 13. 41 - Son of man shall send forth his angels, his good thoughts. God knew we would develope over 6000 years and at the end would become ripe, for lack of a better word. And we would develope the Christian cultures/countries that we have where we don't kill even murderers, we have full mercy. This is the difference between European Christian Israel today and the rest of the world. The are unfortunatly, the pit where Satan(selfish survival of the fittest) roams. He will contine to roam there persecuting even any remnant of Jesus's seed/belief for this entire millennium. That is how the world looks to me today. All has been fulfilled. Praise the Lord. We are in the re-generation. I truly hope this does't offend your sensibilities. But to see it in the conventional way is to me childish and a mist of the antichrist. I take the bible seriously. dan b

 

[Covenant Heart]

Look At What You're Saying!

Matt.-9;6 - The son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins. In Matt.6;14 Jesus says to us to forgive mens sins. Thats what makes sense to me in this verse.

Are you serious? Why do you suppose that people were concluding that he was blaspheming? Or why was the healing of this man cited to show that the Son of man has authority to forgive sins? Think about what you're saying.

The meaning of the expression 'Son of Man' is determined by its usage. You need to spend some time pondering how the evangelists used that expression. You might also note WHO the evangelists record as using it.

Matt. 8:20; 9:6; 10:23; 11:19; 12:8, 32, 40; 13:37, 41; 16:13, 27f; 17:9, 12, 22; 18:11; 19:28; 20:18, 28; 24:27, 30, 37, 39, 44; 25:31; 26:2, 24, 45, 64;

Mk. 2:10, 28; 8:31, 38; 9:9, 12, 31; 10:33, 45; 13:26; 14:21, 41, 62;

Lk. 5:24; 6:5, 22; 7:34; 9:22, 26, 44, 56, 58; 11:30; 12:8, 10, 40; 17:22, 24, 26, 30; 18:8, 31; 19:10; 21:27, 36; 22:22, 48, 69; 24:7;

Jn. 1:51; 3:13f; 5:27; 6:27, 53, 62; 8:28; 9:35; 12:23, 34; 13:31

Blessings!

Covenant Heart

 

[dana b]

I can not consider Jesus Christ to be a "son of Man." He had a virgin birth. The early church was as a fruit, hard, unripe and bitter. But it had a job to do. To preserve Christianity and the bible. If they knew that he meant that the "son of man" was the son's of men then Christianity would have dissolved within one generation. The Church made them venerate so as not to change things for the entire "times of the gentiles." (until the Gentiles to whom Jesus Christ had been risen up for became European Christian Israel that we are today) Every time Jesus spoke the words "son of Man" he knew what he meant. And I suppose he knew that all intelligent people would realize it. Thats why he said "son of man". It's obvious. And every time he said it it fits for the the enlightened end of the generations of men. Not for God's son.

 

[Covenant Heart]

In That Case --

You appear to have a problem with the words of Jesus himself. Look at the texts.

When in Mt 12:40 Jesus said that the son of man (not 'a,' but 'thee' Son of Man) would be three days in the earth (indicating his resurrection), of whom do you suppose that he was speaking? In fact, given that Jesus is really the only one the evangelists pose as using that expression, of whom do you suppose it speaks?

When he says in Jo 6:53 that 'unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you,' of whom was he speaking? If it isn't his flesh and blood that sustains us, shouldn't we find out of whom he spoke?

When in John 8:28 he says, 'when you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He,' of whom does he speak?

What do you suppose it means when in Jesus' conversation with the man he healed of blindness, we read:

John 9:35-38 "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" He answered, "Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him.

Since that was followed by:

John 9:39 And Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind."

...

Perhaps you should take this to heart.

If Jesus said that he is the Son of Man, then he is the Son of Man.

Blessings!

Covenant Heart

 

[dana b]

To my way of seeing it all the referals made to the "son of man," by Jesus Christ were just that, referals to the son's of Men who would, according to Jesus Chist one day be "lifted up." I believe that the day of mankind"(son's of mens) lifting up is today. Actually it began in the year 2000AD. Now, today, in European Christian Israel we can at last be true
Christianians. We can actually do everything that Jesus said we should do. Not just convince ourselves that we believe in him. With that attitude we could end up as the "ones who he said he knew not." He said " those are the ones who do my deeds." In www.secondbookofdaniel.com you can read about and see maps of European Christian Israel. See chapter 10-16

 

[Prewrathrapturist]

Satan will be loosed to tempt the people born during the 1000 years.

Agree, to tempt those from the unsaved nations of people's who re-populate during this time.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by vinsight4u Satan will be loosed to tempt the people born during the 1000 years.

Hi vin. Do you believe the Satan/Dragon has been bound, locked and sealed in the Abyss yet as the Amills believe? Thanks

http://www.christianforums.com/t7435928/
Has the Satan/Dragon/Devil been bound Reve

Revelation 20:1 And I saw a Messenger descending out of the heaven having the key of the abyss and a chain, great, on the hand of him.
2 And he seizes the Dragon, the serpent, the ancient, who is a Devil and Satan and he binds him a thousand years.
3 And he casts him into the abyss and he locks and he seals over of him, that no he should still be deceiving the nations until should-be-being-finished the thousands years. After these, it is binding him to be loosed him a little time.