Microchip contradiction?

[Radagast]

I am pretty sure that the words for RIGHT HAND or FOREHEAD 2000 years ago is the same word used today.

And those words are a very clear reference to Exodus 13:9, Deuteronomy 6:8, and Deuteronomy 11:18 (particularly since the Greek word μέτωπον literally means "between the eyes").

That is, those words in Revelation are about worship.

 

[Broken Fence]

There's more falsehoods in that post than there are actual words. In particular:

• a microchip is not the mark of the Beast
• the vertical lines on a bar code do not mean 666 (on a UPC, 6 is 0101111 or 1010000, while the guard patterns are 101 and 01010)
• an object with the number 666 on it is not Satanic (there are several churches with the street number 666)
• bar codes do not have anything to do with microchips
• nobody is implanting microchips in people's hands

Yes they are.

 

[Broken Fence]

Isn’t the mere acceptance of it ( without intent /knowledge of it being the beast etc / rejection of god )contradictory to the protestant view of things such as baptism I E for example infant baptism typical arguments
And also what do you consider to be the mark of God in revelation on the forehead would you accept it as valid be it merely a mark without faith?(or faith without visible Mark) If so why would you offer so much power conversely to this visible mark (barcode)? Comparatively

I hope that makes sense I’m not tryinf to be argumentative but this is essentially the inconsistency I see

Have no idea what the protestant view is. I believe is mark of the beast because Amish do.

 

[Major1]

And those words are a very clear reference to Exodus 13:9, Deuteronomy 6:8, and Deuteronomy 11:18 (particularly since the Greek word μέτωπον literally means "between the eyes").

That is, those words in Revelation are about worship.

Sorry brother but I do not agree.

"Right Hand" IMO means RIGHT HAND and "Forehead" means "FOREHEAD.

 

[Major1]

Quick reply..
I understand, there is the OT verses that describe these location on body as metaphorical for worship(exo 13:1-10 having said that I’m not necessarily saying that its definitely not a visible mark)
But regardless, in your view do you then consider the Christian mark on forehead in Rev to be actual/visible? Or both visible and tied with true worship?

I understand the Scriptures to be LITERAL unless otherwise directed that they are not.

IMO the mark on the RIGHT HAND or the FOREHEAD is "Literal" because if not......
then we are reading into the Word of God what WE want it to say instead of accepting as it is written to us.

The Scriptures in Exodus were directed from God to the Jews to NOT DO as those in Canaan HAD ALREDY DONE which was to mark their bodies.

Those in Canaan DID NOT WORSHIP GOD so the thought of metaphorical worship does not apply which leaves the only marking of the body as the reason for the Law to be given.

 

[Broken Fence]

The microchip is the mark of the beast, how else can they regulate who buys or sells globally? Wake up! Don't dam yourself by taking the microchip. They have put these microchips in beasts for years. There will be a great delusion to take the Mark. So much God has to shorten the days. So the very elect will not be deceived.

 

[Panevino]

Have no idea what the protestant view is. I believe is mark of the beast because Amish do.

Wow, never met with an Amish person. What do Amish consider might be the mark of God on forehead in Rev?

 

[Panevino]

I understand the Scriptures to be LITERAL unless otherwise directed that they are not.

IMO the mark on the RIGHT HAND or the FOREHEAD is "Literal" because if not......
then we are reading into the Word of God what WE want it to say instead of accepting as it is written to us.

ok if you then don’t consider the exo13:1-10 as a factor that may make hand / forehead symbols for worship / acts of will, then what do you consider to be Gods mark on the forehead in Rev?
Is it visible with faith or simply faith alone without visible mark?

The Scriptures in Exodus were directed from God to the Jews to NOT DO as those in Canaan HAD ALREDY DONE which was to mark their bodies.

Those in Canaan DID NOT WORSHIP GOD so the thought of metaphorical worship does not apply which leaves the only marking of the body as the reason for the Law to be given.

the Exo13:1-10 verse describes the hand/forehead with the sacrifice / worship of Passover.

 

[Radagast]

Sorry brother but I do not agree.

"Right Hand" IMO means RIGHT HAND and "Forehead" means "FOREHEAD.

"Right hand" refers to the "hand" in Exodus 13:9, Deuteronomy 6:8, and Deuteronomy 11:18.

"Forehead" (μέτωπον, literally "between the eyes") refers to the "between the eyes" in Exodus 13:9, Deuteronomy 6:8, and Deuteronomy 11:18.

That double reference makes it certain that Exodus 13:9, Deuteronomy 6:8, and Deuteronomy 11:18 are being referred to.

That is, those words in Revelation are about worshipping the Beast instead of God.

 

[Broken Fence]

Wow, never met with an Amish person. What do Amish consider might be the mark of God on forehead in Rev?

The Holy Spirit.

 

[Panevino]

"Right hand" refers to the "hand" in Exodus 13:9, Deuteronomy 6:8, and Deuteronomy 11:18.

"Forehead" (μέτωπον, literally "between the eyes") refers to the "between the eyes" in Exodus 13:9, Deuteronomy 6:8, and Deuteronomy 11:18.

That double reference makes it certain that Exodus 13:9, Deuteronomy 6:8, and Deuteronomy 11:18 are being referred to.

That is, those words in Revelation are about worshipping the Beast instead of God.

Yes I agree about the OT type here.
The OT showing the Passover as that worship.
As previously mentioned in Josephus or Pliny (can’t recall) during the destruction of the temple (~70ad) people could not buy/sell /function without demonstrating worship of the pagan God emperor.

I see the mark of the beast as much more significant than merely having a visible mark but more insidious (ie idolatry / worship of another God)

 

[Broken Fence]

Yes I agree about the OT type here.
The OT showing the Passover as that worship.
As previously mentioned in Josephus or Pliny (can’t recall) during the destruction of the temple (~70ad) people could not buy/sell /function without demonstrating worship of the pagan God emperor.

I see the mark of the beast as much more significant than merely having a visible mark but more insidious (ie idolatry / worship of another God)

And how does that affect who buys or sells globally?

 

[Panevino]

The Holy Spirit.

Ok, but is it a visible mark or is Amish view that is similar to an internal reality of faith / presence of Holy Spirit.
If so why is it ok to be inconsistent with a visible mark of beast? (And also inconsistent with no similar internal prerequisite for the mark of beast (ie mere mark without worship/faith in beast))

Ie
Revelation 9:4

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:3

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

 

[Panevino]

And how does that affect who buys or sells globally?

The example of ~70ad was enforced by the emperors army, an act of worship required to be free to function (buy/sell)
Any government/s could do something similar...and as is pretty clearly possible at the moment members of general public could probably fall in line / agree and require it and call out those that don’t do it.

 

[Broken Fence]

Ok, but is it a visible mark or is Amish view that is similar to an internal reality of faith / presence of Holy Spirit.
If so why is it ok to be inconsistent with a visible mark of beast? (And also inconsistent with no similar internal prerequisite for the mark of beast (ie mere mark without worship/faith in beast))

Ie
Revelation 9:4

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:3

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

You are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.

 

[Broken Fence]

The example of ~70ad was enforced by the emperors army, an act of worship required to be free to function (buy/sell)
Any government/s could do something similar...and as is pretty clearly possible at the moment members of general public could probably fall in line / agree and require it and call out those that don’t do it.

If the return happened already. Explain the two witnesses in Jerusalem.

 

[Radagast]

Yes they are.

No, they're not.

I particularly like the fact that you actually quoted my proof that the vertical lines on a bar code do not mean 666:

• on a UPC, 6 is 0101111 or 1010000 (see Universal Product Code - Wikipedia)
• the guard patterns are 101 and 01010 (quite obviously not the same)

 

[Panevino]

You are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.

Catholics are sealed with a sign of the cross on the forehead during baptism and anointing of the sick and also at each mass when it’s announced the gospels will be read (and also with ashes on Ash Wednesday)
This is not to say that we would not also consider an event / process of a repentant heart and conversion through the Holy Spirit a “seal”

Having said all that you seem to say that you accept that Gods seal on forehead is symbolic non visible and linked to worship/Holy Spirit and are comfortable with an inconsistency that the mark of beast is merely a visible mark/chip regardless of any form of worship / rejection of God

 

[Panevino]

If the return happened already. Explain the two witnesses in Jerusalem.

I guess that’s beside the point, I’m not a preterist (though do see that event as fulfilling Jesus prophecy of the destruction of the temple)
The point was more to answer your query about how worship of beast could be used to prevent buy/sell

 

[Radagast]

Having said all that you seem to say that you accept that Gods seal on forehead is symbolic non visible and linked to worship/Holy Spirit and are comfortable with an inconsistency that the mark of beast is merely a visible mark/chip regardless of any form of worship / rejection of God

Yes, that does seem totally inconsistent.