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[Major1]

sorry, not necessarily agreed.
Clearly the forehead sign of god is related to Passover
I’m not sure how you could deny it (though of course within the NT context of the new Passover lamb/mass for Catholics and symbolic supper for some Protestants (ie our new pascal lamb))

But the fact that worship is related to forehead and hand in exo is of course relatable to both forehead marks for God and for beast.

But of course forehead for beast is not the Passover, but of course some kind of anti Passover (so to speak) / rejection /usurping of God

I’m not sure why you would feel a need to reject that?


Of course,
But is it a mark by itself or tied / entwined with a rejection or usurping of God

John knew the OT and in particular the reference to forehead and hand for Passover and it’s connection to worship (remember Passover was not an obscure liturgy it fell on the time of Holy Thursday/last supper/Good Friday) it’s still celebrated today (by jews and in its fulfillment for Catholics and orthodox in the Mass/Divine Liturgy)
Again I’m not necessarily saying that there is no physical Mark of beast (as there was a mark in the Passover night) just don’t think a mark in and of itself would mean anything on its own without an implicit or explicit / known rejection of God.

Note : I was intrigued once when I was told that the mark on lintel and door posts forms a shadow / framing of the cross.
I guess I’m not really rejecting your literal interpretation completely but elaborating on it with an associated act of faith/anti faith if that makes sense (like the Passover (liturgy/Mark/faith))

It’s similar to the Eucharist Catholic thought is both literally and spiritually (real flesh indeed and believing in Him etc)

There is nothing wrong in disagreeing over things that are not explicitly defined in the Bible. Now I am able to deny the things you suggested because I do not hold any allegiances to ANY specific denomination teachings. I follow only what the Scriptures actual do say and NOT what I think or want them to say.

I just feel as if your thinking is a lot more of you reading INTO the Scriptures things that are just not there.

Again, lets read the actual words we are discussing from Revelation 13:16.....
"He also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads".

Now lets consider Rev. 16:2.......
"The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out upon the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image."

IF....IF, the Mark is NOT on the literal "forehead or Right Hand", then can you suggest WHY there would be a INFECTED SORE ON THE BODIES OF THOSE WHO ACCEPTED THE MARK????

Again.....all I am doing is reading the Scriptures and accepting them as they are written without adding anything to them.

 

[Major1]

Actually...
First thing is get a ladder or stool...
Then you do the top.
Then the top of the sides.
Then moving the ladder/stool out of the way so you can do the sides.

At this point in history if you were a Hebrew and Moses told you to cover the door frame to keep the Angel of Death from visiting you....you didn't want to miss an inch of doorframe with the blood.
You were scared...you took it very seriously at this point.
You followed the instructions as completely as possible.

Wouldn't the 1st thing be to find a "PERFECT Sacrificial Lamb"????

You know, that is very interesting. The people then must have had a lot more faith than we do today.

They did as they were told. Today preachers all over the world are saying the same thing.
"Come to Christ and be saved from the death angle so you can go to heaven" but ......
summer is neigh and we are still not saved.

 

[Major1]

But the instruction to put blood on doorposts/lintel for the night of Passover , was for simple family houses, not temples / Holy of Holies.
I’m not sure what I’m missing

I think that you are missing the fact that there is no Biblical record of the Hebrews having a Temple, Tabernacle or Holy of Holies while in Egyptian slavery.

Ex. 25:9...........
"Then have them make a sanctuary for me, and I will dwell among them.
According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it."

This of course is AFTER the Hebrews left Egypt.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Actually...
First thing is get a ladder or stool...
Then you do the top.
Then the top of the sides.
Then moving the ladder/stool out of the way so you can do the sides.

At this point in history if you were a Hebrew and Moses told you to cover the door frame to keep the Angel of Death from visiting you....you didn't want to miss an inch of doorframe with the blood.
You were scared...you took it very seriously at this point.
You followed the instructions as completely as possible.

Actually they would not have needed a ladder or a stool. The doorways for slaves' dwellings in Egypt were just high enough to walk through without hitting one's head unless one happened to be taller than six feet.

Otherwise, your scenario is also quite reasonable. I agree that they would have made abundantly certain that the lintel and jambs were completely covered - not just a little dab of blood here and a little dab there.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Wouldn't the 1st thing be to find a "PERFECT Sacrificial Lamb"????

You know, that is very interesting. The people then must have had a lot more faith than we do today.

They did as they were told. Today preachers all over the world are saying the same thing.
"Come to Christ and be saved from the death angle so you can go to heaven" but ......
summer is neigh and we are still not saved.

Agreed. There is no fear of the Lord today and, hence, we have folk's applying just enough of Christ's blood sacrifice to escape hell (fire insurance, as it is common known). But, as you say, they are still not saved. Christ did not come to provide mere fire insurance, but to save us from sin - its consequences, to be sure, but also all its manifestations in our lives. Hallelujah, what a Savior!

 

[JohnDB]

Wouldn't the 1st thing be to find a "PERFECT Sacrificial Lamb"????

You know, that is very interesting. The people then must have had a lot more faith than we do today.

They did as they were told. Today preachers all over the world are saying the same thing.
"Come to Christ and be saved from the death angle so you can go to heaven" but ......
summer is neigh and we are still not saved.

It was a matter of fear factor...

"God is coming to kill everyone who doesn't follow his ways tonight"

That was the message of Moses.
Considering the last 9 plagues...the recent generosity of the Egyptians which was out of character...it wasn't time to play games.
You did as told in mortal fear.

 

[Major1]

It was a matter of fear factor...

"God is coming to kill everyone who doesn't follow his ways tonight"

That was the message of Moses.
Considering the last 9 plagues...the recent generosity of the Egyptians which was out of character...it wasn't time to play games.
You did as told in mortal fear.

Wasn't it a matter of "faith". They saw what God had done 9 times. They hears what Moses said was coming and believed.

Consider post #105 from "bbbbbb" = there is no fear of the Lord today.

Stand on the street corner and preach that Jesus is Coming and you might just be spending the night in jail.

 

[Major1]

Agreed. There is no fear of the Lord today and, hence, we have folk's applying just enough of Christ's blood sacrifice to escape hell (fire insurance, as it is common known). But, as you say, they are still not saved. Christ did not come to provide mere fire insurance, but to save us from sin - its consequences, to be sure, but also all its manifestations in our lives. Hallelujah, what a Savior!

AMEN!

But what has man done???

Demand a new car, claim it and God must give it to you!!!

 

[Panevino]

Placing blood on the jambs and lintel of a doorway is only related to making the sign of the cross if one assumes (and it is a significant assumption) that the actual motions in doing so were the same as making the sign of the cross. We have no evidence what motions were actually taken. The logical way to do it would have been to slap some blood on one jamb, then the lintel, and then the other jamb in a circular pattern.

Just to be clear I’m not suggesting they made the physical motion of the sign of the cross. I’m merely saying that the shape of a cross could be projected onto the blood on posts and lintel. It was just a passing comment (I guess the key thing is that there was a mark of some sort related to the Passover night)

 

[bbbbbbb]

Just to be clear I’m not suggesting they made the physical motion of the sign of the cross. I’m merely saying that the shape of a cross could be projected onto the blood on posts and lintel. It was just a passing comment (I guess the key thing is that there was a mark of some sort related to the Passover night)

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Major1]

Just to be clear I’m not suggesting they made the physical motion of the sign of the cross. I’m merely saying that the shape of a cross could be projected onto the blood on posts and lintel. It was just a passing comment (I guess the key thing is that there was a mark of some sort related to the Passover night)

My brother, the "KEY" thing to focus on is that there was BLOOD over the door way.

I think that it being in the way of a "cross" is reading into the Scriptures what we want to be in them. Please do not take that as a criticism of your opinion because I for one like the idea you had of the cross being in the picture. I just do not believe that it is there even though I would love for it to be.

IF it was, can you imagine the sermons that could be preached on that idea??????