Methodists Fearful of Islamification of their Churches

[mkgal1]

This is from the article in the OP:

One member of the Bosqueville United Methodist Church, who spoke anonymously out of fear, said he learned about the “virtual mosque” program after an interim pastor began preaching Sufi Islamic parables in an attempt to “tenderize” the church to accept Islamification, according to the Geller Report

Maybe the interim pastor was quoting Islamic parables to show that Muslims aren't that scary (not to "accept Islamification") and to create some acceptance in light of all this division?

Some Rumi quotes are (a Muslim poet):

Yesterday I was clever so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise so I want to change myself. ~ Rumi

Grief can be the garden of compassion. If you keep your heart open through everything, your pain can become your greatest ally in your life’s search for love and wisdom. ~ Rumi

The wound is the place where the Light enters you.~ Rumi

Words are a pretext. It is the inner bond that draws one person to another, not words.~ Rumi

Love will find its way through all languages on its own.~ Rumi

Love is the bridge between you and everything~ Rumi

Your acts of kindness are iridescent wings of divine love, which linger and continue to uplift others long after your sharing.~ Rumi

With life as short as a half taken breath, don’t plant anything but love.~ Rumi

If anyone has taken the time....the Qur'on is much like the Old Testament with a lot of the same words and principles. The account of Adam and Eve is written there.....Abraham and Sarah...etc. That's how Islam is accepted as an "Abrahamic faith" just as Judaism and Christianity. We all trace back to Abraham.

 

[GraceSeeker]

Breaking bread and getting along is great, but worshiping the One True Living GOD is different altogether. If only we could all play nice.

I suspect we will play nice more often when we learn to accept that others may not be as far off the mark as we would like to project they are, and we are not necessarily as right as we would like to think we are. Only Jesus is the TRUTH. And being a follower of Jesus does NOT mean that we have the TRUTH, for belonging to Jesus doesn't mean that we have him, but that we trust him to have us. So, we need to begin to show some grace to other pilgrims, even those we may think haven't quite found the best way that we are all at least searching for the same God, and really depending on him to find us, and not the other way around. In the meantime, let us be instruments of grace rather than condemnation as we discuss our differences.

And, I want to add, even if those in other religions don't behave this way toward us (and probably some will and some won't), it doesn't excuse us who follow Christ being anything less than grace-filled individuals. (That, or we need to turn in our "Jesus loves you" card and cross John 3:17 out of our Bibles.)

 

[MrsBrit]

I can't agree that Muslims are ready converts to Christ no matter how small their numbers. The penalty for leaving Islam is death according to the Koran, honor killings by family members are not uncommon. There is fear in belonging to this religion or should I say ideology.
For anyone thinking that alarms raised about Islam is just fearmongering then just take a look at the chaos that is now Europe. Angela Merkel threw out the welcome mat to "refugees" economic immigrants and the face of Europe has changed I believe forever.

 

[GraceSeeker]

I can't agree that Muslims are ready converts to Christ no matter how small their numbers.

Please, work to inform yourself better then. Those folks who are working in ministry within Muslim communities are reporting that, especially in the MiddleEast, people are turning from Islam to Christianity a numbers like never seen before. This despite all of the things you point out.

Millions of Muslims Converting to Christianity

Why Revival is Exploding Among Muslims

Millions of Muslims Converting to Christianity--Crosswalk

'We are living in the midst of the greatest turning of Muslims to Christ in history'

Refugee Camp: Once Lost And Now Found; This Muslim Immigrant Led 600 Iranians To Jesus


And these are just from a 5 second Google search. I really speak to out of contact with several mission sending groups. My own church was in Lebanon last year working in a refugee camp in Lebanon. The folks there were hungry to learn about Jesus from actual Christians. You see, like 86% of Muslims in the world, they had never actually talked to a Christian about Jesus. All that they know is what they have been told by their own religious leaders. Now, the fact is that there are things within Islam that we can affirm, and if we are willing to start there, most Muslims are more than happy to give us a hearing. And once having earned that, they then are very interested in hearing what we have to say about Christianity ourselves. When they find out that the Trinity does NOT mean that we believe in three different gods, or that we do NOT believe that Jesus is the biological son of God, the product of God having sex with Mary, they begin to suspect that a lot of the things that we believe about God and Jesus may not be what they were told. Now not everyone is interested. Just like there are some Christians who have bought into the moon-god idea and refuse to hear anything else, no matter who tells them. So too there are some Muslims who simply will not even hear the truth. But most will. And of them, some will be genuinely interested to hear more and more till you will find that they are ready to confess their faith in Jesus as the author of their salvation.

If you are unaware of these things, you need to get other sources for your own information about Muslims. For the fields are ripe for the harvest, if only we had people who were willing to go into the fields, rather than curse the crop of souls God has prepared to bring into his fold.

 

[RDKirk]

I can't agree that Muslims are ready converts to Christ no matter how small their numbers. The penalty for leaving Islam is death according to the Koran, honor killings by family members are not uncommon. There is fear in belonging to this religion or should I say ideology.
For anyone thinking that alarms raised about Islam is just fearmongering then just take a look at the chaos that is now Europe. Angela Merkel threw out the welcome mat to "refugees" economic immigrants and the face of Europe has changed I believe forever.

The only people who are "ready" converts to Christ are those who have been enabled by the Father.

But Muslims who have been enabled by the Father will accept the gospel more easily than the average unbelieving Westerner who has been enabled by the Father because they already have a submissive belief system.

They just need to discover the correct God (that is also why you see Roman soldiers in scripture becoming converts--they are already "men under authority"--they just need to discover the right commander).

I've said this before, but a friend of mine spent 12 years in Morocco as as a contractor...but also as an undercover evangelist. Every so often, a Muslim man would come to him privately saying, "I have watched you and I've seen that you are a Christian. I would like you to tell me about Jesus."

That's called "enabled by the Father." My friend realized all he really had to do was deliver the gospel without screwing it up.

Rather than launching into a lot of Christianese doctrine (which the Koran explicitly inoculates Muslims against), my friend just sat down with those men and began reading the gospels with them, going through the four, then Acts, then Romans. He would only answer the questions they had, not going beyond what was in the text.

At the end of Romans, he would ask, "What do you think of this?"

He reports that every Muslim man who stuck with it through the gospels, Acts, and Romans would answer, "I believe this. I want to be baptized."

 

[MrsBrit]

The only people who are "ready" converts to Christ are those who have been enabled by the Father.

But Muslims who have been enabled by the Father will accept the gospel more easily than the average unbelieving Westerner who has been enabled by the Father because they already have a submissive belief system.

They just need to discover the correct God (that is also why you see Roman soldiers in scripture becoming converts--they are already "men under authority"--they just need to discover the right commander).

I've said this before, but a friend of mine spent 12 years in Morocco as as a contractor...but also as an undercover evangelist. Every so often, a Muslim man would come to him privately saying, "I have watched you and I've seen that you are a Christian. I would like you to tell me about Jesus."

That's called "enabled by the Father." My friend realized all he really had to do was deliver the gospel without screwing it up.

Rather than launching into a lot of Christianese doctrine (which the Koran explicitly inoculates Muslims against), my friend just sat down with those men and began reading the gospels with them, going through the four, then Acts, then Romans. He would only answer the questions they had, not going beyond what was in the text.

At the end of Romans, he would ask, "What do you think of this?"

He reports that every Muslim man who stuck with it through the gospels, Acts, and Romans would answer, "I believe this. I want to be baptized."

I'm sure some Muslims would like to leave the Islamic faith but there is a huge problem with other Muslims, the fear that they will be killed along with their family.
One member of my family was a missionary for more than twenty years in a country where there were many Muslims. He said the average Muslim leads a miserable life dictated to by those in authority, they know the severe penalties for themselves and their families for ever questioning their faith in Islam. Muslims have been killed (honor killings) for far less than converting to Christianity.
My brother in law built a school where any child was welcome, he took medicine to remote areas he tried to help anyone in need. After more than twenty years the Muslims burned his school and threatened him and his family. The mission board pulled them out and relocated them to a different part of the world.

 

[MrsBrit]

Please, work to inform yourself better then. Those folks who are working in ministry within Muslim communities are reporting that, especially in the MiddleEast, people are turning from Islam to Christianity a numbers like never seen before. This despite all of the things you point out.

Millions of Muslims Converting to Christianity

Why Revival is Exploding Among Muslims

Millions of Muslims Converting to Christianity--Crosswalk

'We are living in the midst of the greatest turning of Muslims to Christ in history'

Refugee Camp: Once Lost And Now Found; This Muslim Immigrant Led 600 Iranians To Jesus

And these are just from a 5 second Google search. I really speak to out of contact with several mission sending groups. My own church was in Lebanon last year working in a refugee camp in Lebanon. The folks there were hungry to learn about Jesus from actual Christians. You see, like 86% of Muslims in the world, they had never actually talked to a Christian about Jesus. All that they know is what they have been told by their own religious leaders. Now, the fact is that there are things within Islam that we can affirm, and if we are willing to start there, most Muslims are more than happy to give us a hearing. And once having earned that, they then are very interested in hearing what we have to say about Christianity ourselves. When they find out that the Trinity does NOT mean that we believe in three different gods, or that we do NOT believe that Jesus is the biological son of God, the product of God having sex with Mary, they begin to suspect that a lot of the things that we believe about God and Jesus may not be what they were told. Now not everyone is interested. Just like there are some Christians who have bought into the moon-god idea and refuse to hear anything else, no matter who tells them. So too there are some Muslims who simply will not even hear the truth. But most will. And of them, some will be genuinely interested to hear more and more till you will find that they are ready to confess their faith in Jesus as the author of their salvation.

If you are unaware of these things, you need to get other sources for your own information about Muslims. For the fields are ripe for the harvest, if only we had people who were willing to go into the fields, rather than curse the crop of souls God has prepared to bring into his fold.

Please read my reply above before you make the assumption that I don't know what I'm talking about. My brother in law was willing to go into the fields, he spent his life as a missionary, more than twenty years in a very dangerous situation, he had many interactions with Muslims, not a single Muslim converted to Christianity in all the years he was there.
Perhaps the next time you feel the need to lecture someone you ought to consider that they are not totally ignorant of the subject and could even be more informed than you. I didn't just "have contact" with someone, my brother in law lived with us when he came back to the US on Sabbatical every 4 years. He spoke at length to us about his experiences as well as being a speaker at different Churches in this area.

Are you willing to risk your life and the lives of your family to spread The Word?

 

[RDKirk]

I'm sure some Muslims would like to leave the Islamic faith but there is a huge problem with other Muslims, the fear that they will be killed along with their family.
One member of my family was a missionary for more than twenty years in a country where there were many Muslims. He said the average Muslim leads a miserable life dictated to by those in authority, they know the severe penalties for themselves and their families for ever questioning their faith in Islam. Muslims have been killed (honor killings) for far less than converting to Christianity.
My brother in law built a school where any child was welcome, he took medicine to remote areas he tried to help anyone in need. After more than twenty years the Muslims burned his school and threatened him and his family. The mission board pulled them out and relocated them to a different part of the world.

Okay, wait. Let me be sure I'm clear about that.

You have a relative who was a failure as a missionary to Muslims.

I have a good friend--who I support, btw--who is pretty successful as a missionary to Muslims (right now he's in Kashir, India, running a more open effort than he could in Morocco).

And your relative who failed knows more about it than my friend who succeeds?

 

[more4less]

After I read the story entitled, “Methodist Churches Converting To ‘Virtual Mosques’ For Muslim Migrants,” I spent much of the day in mild shock. I couldn’t believe what was going on inside of a Christian denomination whose founding was so deeply influenced by the great man John Wesley.

I had to know what Methodists thought of this. Surely they didn’t go along with it. At least not all of them or even a majority of them. My assumption, and hope, was that it was a very small minority of Methodists who thought that having worship of Allah in their building was an appropriate, God-honoring event. How could they think their church should double as a church and a Mosque? Surely they had not lost their way and could see how apostate and foreign such a thing was to Christianity and the New Testament. Surely this was just one man who had been led astray or who was seeking his 10 minutes of fame.

So I took to the phones, contacting my Methodist friends to ask their thoughts. Here are some of their reactions and concerns. CONTINUED AT Methodists Fearful of Islamification of Their Churches - Resistance Feed

But it is forbidden for them to convert to Christianity. But without them considering that they has left an environment that had caused them to leave their homes, because of them refusing to accept another religion customs. But will they also accept if their children converts to Christianity? Would they allowed their daughters to not wear a head scarf in the public as well? And will they be able to accept if their daughter goes swimming in a two piece bathing suit, and or to see a photo of the prophet Mohammad in a bathing suit as well.? It just cannot be one direction, or else, it will not work. This country is for anyone to practice or express their freedom, as long as it is not causing any harm to others. But thing that Hillary and Obama has forgotten. That they has forgotten that the Syrians are not going to allow their daughters to get abortions, especially if their daughters is in their ninth month. Planned parenthood better get some terrorist insurances, because the immigrants will blow up buildings as if it were like a bonfire celebration.

 

[mkgal1]

Planned parenthood better get some terrorist insurances, because the immigrants will blow up buildings as if it were like a bonfire celebration.

I'd strongly encourage you to broaden your horizons as far as the sources you get your "news" from. Haven't we had natural-born "Christian" citizens (Caucasian men) attack the people at PP? Colorado shooting.

And the lie about "Muslims celebrating 911"? You should always check Snopes out (*especially* when you're attributing things to groups of people!) Whatever happened to all that's written in the Bible about "bearing false witness"...and "stirring up division"....and "lying tongues" Have so many people forgotten this passage?

"There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness,
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community."~Proverbs 6:16-19

As Stephanopoulos suggested, the claims were in fact rooted in early rumors about the September 11th attacks (which were later proved false). Multiple iterations of those "Muslims celebrating" tales circulated in the weeks and months after 9/11, rumors a 21 November 2015 New York Times article reported were never substantiated.

 

[mkgal1]

But it is forbidden for them to convert to Christianity.

That's against the Quran. This isn't true.

From the Quran:


“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

As stated in the verse, no one can be compelled to live by Islamic morals. Conveying the existence of God and the morals of the Qur’an to other people is a duty for believers, but they call people to the path of God with kindness and love and they never force them. It is only God Who guides people to the right way. This is related in the following verse:

“You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.” (Holy Quran/28: 56)~6 Quran Quotes That Teach Love, Tolerance and Freedom of Religion - Good News Network

As I said earlier: anyone that feels compelled to speak out against Muslims should FIRST read about the Covenant of Medina (what Mohammed set forth for all living in that region---including Jews and Christians). I provided a link in this earlier post.

The dealings of the Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, with other religions can best be described in the verse of the Quran:

“To you be your religion, to me be mine.”

The Arabian Peninsula during the time of the Prophet was a region in which various faiths were present. There were Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, polytheists, and others not affiliated with any religion. When one looks into the life of the Prophet, one may draw on many examples to portray the high level of tolerance shown to people of other faiths.~The Tolerance of the Prophet towards Other Religions (All parts) - The Religion of Islam

Why can't we allow the same freedom?

 

[mkgal1]

Angela Merkel threw out the welcome mat to "refugees"

Why did you put refugees in quotes?

To maybe unravel a bit about what's going on: you do realize Jesus and the Pharisees were of the same religion....right? Do you not recognize how differently they lived out their religion?

This is a good place to begin, I think:


Luke 10:25-37
The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25 Just then a lawyer stood up to test Jesus. ‘Teacher,’ he said, ‘what must I do to inherit eternal life?’ 26 He said to him, ‘What is written in the law? What do you read there?’ 27 He answered, ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself.’ 28 And he said to him, ‘You have given the right answer; do this, and you will live.’

29 But wanting to justify himself, he asked Jesus, ‘And who is my neighbour?’ 30 Jesus replied, ‘A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell into the hands of robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a priest was going down that road; and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32 So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan while travelling came near him; and when he saw him, he was moved with pity. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, having poured oil and wine on them. Then he put him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said, “Take care of him; and when I come back, I will repay you whatever more you spend.” 36 Which of these three, do you think, was a neighbour to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers?’ 37 He said, ‘The one who showed him mercy.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Go and do likewise.’

 

[GraceSeeker]

I'd strongly encourage you to broaden your horizons as far as the sources you get your "news" from. Haven't we had natural-born citizens (Caucasian men) attack the people at PP? Colorado shooting.

And the lie about "Muslims celebrating 911"? You should always check Snopes out (*especially* when you're attributing things to groups of people!) Whatever happened to all that's written in the Bible about "bearing false witness"...and "stirring up division"....and "lying tongues" Have so many people forgotten this passage?

"There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness,
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community."~Proverbs 6:16-19

Amen. And AMEN!!!

I was beginning to think that Judaism isn't the only group with Pharisees and Republicans aren't the only group that needs to be careful of the "INO"s (In Name Only) infiltrating their midst.

 

[GraceSeeker]

Please read my reply above before you make the assumption that I don't know what I'm talking about.

I've read your reply. I STILL don't think that YOU know what you're talking about. Your brother-in-law might (though based on your report I don't know about him either), but you don't give any evidence that you do. Consider this, you report:

[My brother-in-law] said the average Muslim leads a miserable life dictated to by those in authority, they know the severe penalties for themselves and their families for ever questioning their faith in Islam.

This is certainly true for some. It might have even been true for the majority who lived where your brother-in-law was serving. But to extract from that a statement like "the average Muslim" or, worse, to say as you did, "the Muslims burned his school and threatened him and his family," is to be guilty of drawing gross generalizations of the whole of a group of people from a relatively narrow sampling (yes, even 20 years is a narrow sampling when it is just one person's experience or in a single region). Now, in truth there are some groups that purport to call themselves "Christian" who would and have behaved exactly as your brother-in-law describes the Muslims he knows. I have friends who lived in Birmingham, AL in September 1963, would it be fair for them to write from their experience "the Christians bombed the church and killed 4 girls"?

The reality is that not everyone who calls themselves Christian behaves that way, sometimes parts of one's culture override the teachings of the faith and result in very non-Christian behavior. Additionally, despite a single set of scriptures, different groups within Christianity read and interpret the teachings found in it differently from one another. There are literalists, fundamentalists, conservatives, liberals, and all sorts of other groupings within a religion that has over 2 billion adhere spread in virtually ever country and ethnic group around the globe. The whole concept of their being an "average" or "typical" Christian or identifying the acts of a small handful of actors in one location (or even several) as being representative of the whole in such a way as to use the definite article "THE Christians" is to show one's ignorance of the great diversity that exists within the group. The same is true with regard to your statements regarding Muslims and Islam. They show your own bias more than they tell us anything about Islam.

Are you willing to risk your life and the lives of your family to spread The Word?

Yes. And I have.

 

[mkgal1]

sometimes parts of one's culture override the teachings of the faith

This.....exactly this.

You've heard the phrase, "absolute power corrupts absolutely"? "Evil" is the exercise of power to harm others. Well...nothing is more powerful than a dynamic where evil masquerades as "holy" (it's a whole other topic....but look at the corruption and harm caused in a lot of "Christian" churches). You're aware that David Koresh (who began the Branch Davidian cult) was basing his religion on the Bible....right?

"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint but is conceived…in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices.” (C.S. Lewis The Screwtape Letters, 1942)

I don't believe that *anyone* does harm and doesn't believe they're justified in doing so (and they search for ways to justify themselves--distorting words and passages from holy books). They often believe they're doing what God desires. Evil doesn't stay hidden in the dark---from what I've seen, it parades and masquerades out in the open as if "holy" and "righteous".

 

[GraceSeeker]

But it is forbidden for them to convert to Christianity.

Sharia often is interpreted that way. But, Sharia is NOT necessarily the law of the land just because a majority of a nation may be Muslim. So, some places it is as easy for a person to convert from Islam to Christianity as it is for a Christian living in the West to sleep in on Sunday. But, that aside, even in places where the social and legal institutions are structured so as to make conversion difficult, even costly, we still find people converting from Islam to Christianity. And the numbers absolutely are on the increase. Apparently for many, the joy of knowing Jesus is worth any price.

Will they also accept if their children converts to Christianity?

See the above. It is the same answer.

Would they allowed their daughters to not wear a head scarf in the public as well?

Some do. Some don't. There is not one single answer to these questions. But when one considers the totality of Islam as found around the globe, there are probably more Muslim women today who do NOT wear the hijab than do.

And will they be able to accept if their daughter goes swimming in a two piece bathing suit, and or to see a photo of the prophet Mohammad in a bathing suit as well?

Again, the use of "they" implies a universality to the Ummah which simply doesn't exist in reality. Some will. Some won't. And, personally, even I am not interested in seeing Mohammad in a bathing suit. Why would you put him in one?

Planned parenthood better get some terrorist insurances, because the immigrants will blow up buildings as if it were like a bonfire celebration.

Only those who refuse to listen to anything that doesn't confirm their preconceived biases would say anything like this.

 

[mkgal1]

For reference (list of a few Christianist attacks on US soil):

Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012.
(Sikhs are not Muslims; the traditional Sikh attire, including their turbans, is different from traditional Sunni, Shiite or Sufi attire. But to those who generalize, a bearded Sikh looks like a Muslim. Only four days after 9/11, Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh immigrant from India who owned a gas station in Mesa, Arizona, was murdered by Frank Silva Roque, a racist who obviously mistook him for a Muslim. Attorney General Eric Holder described the attack as “an act of terrorism, an act of hatred.”)

The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009
(Was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder on May 31, 2009. Tiller had a long history of being targeted for violence by Christian Right terrorists. In 1986, his clinic was firebombed. Then, in 1993, Tiller was shot five times by female Christian Right terrorist Shelly Shannon --now serving time in a federal prison-- but survived that attack. ).

Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008
(On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays, and he considered neocon Bernard Goldberg’s book, 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America, his political manifesto.)

The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994.
(Paul Jennings Hill-- who was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003-- for the murders of abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett. Hill shot both of them in cold blood and expressed no remorse whatsoever; he insisted he was doing’s God’s work and has been exalted as a martyr by the Army of God.

The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996.
(Eric Rudolph, who is serving life without parole for a long list of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Christianity. Rudolph is best known for carrying out the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta during the 1996 Summer Olympics—a blast that killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. Hawthorne wasn’t the only person Rudolph murdered: his bombing of an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama in 1998 caused the death of Robert Sanderson (a Birmingham police officer and part-time security guard) and caused nurse Emily Lyons to lose an eye.)

Rudolph’s other acts of Christian terrorism include bombing the Otherwise Lounge (a lesbian bar in Atlanta) in 1997 and an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb in 1997. Rudolph was no lone wolf: he was part of a terrorist movement that encouraged his violence. And the Army of God continues to exalt Rudolph as a brave Christian who is doing God’s work.

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Are you okay with being grouped in with these people (and allowing people to use them as a "face" of Christianity? If not--then please don't do the same thing to Muslims.

 

[more4less]

I'd strongly encourage you to broaden your horizons as far as the sources you get your "news" from. Haven't we had natural-born "Christian" citizens (Caucasian men) attack the people at PP? Colorado shooting.

And the lie about "Muslims celebrating 911"? You should always check Snopes out (*especially* when you're attributing things to groups of people!) Whatever happened to all that's written in the Bible about "bearing false witness"...and "stirring up division"....and "lying tongues" Have so many people forgotten this passage?

"There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness,
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community."~Proverbs 6:16-19

That was an actual news report, that they had aired on live during that time . The police had picked up those that were celebrating for questioning, and arrested some because they were involved as well.
The had DNC tried to covered up that news report. And by the way, did Obama had veto the bill that doesn't allow those that had lost family members in the Twin Towers, that they cannot sues the Saudi's government for their involvement of the 9/11 attack? He probably will give them a pardon.

 

[more4less]

 

[GraceSeeker]

Did you listen to the news report? Not mobs of Muslims dancing in the streets. 8 men on the roof of a building.

Did you watch the previous video you posted entitled "American Muslims celebrating 9/11"? It wasn't a story about events that took place on 9/11, but about a small splinter group of people who were outside a mosque protesting that the mosque was filled with thousands of Muslims who stood for peace.

No one is denying that there are some Muslims who do hate non-Muslims and in particular the West, but they are the aberration and you are acting like they are representative of Islam. They aren't.