Messianic Judaism

[cupid dave]

The Convert Who Wanted to be High Priest


"Any non-priest who participates [in the holy service] shall die" (Num. 3:10).

Even David, king of Israel, was not allowed to serve in the holy Temple, as he was not a descendant of Aaron the kohen.

Consider that Christ IS the High Priest though, which supports me, in that Elijah was a Levite:

Hebrews 9:11
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

 

[visionary]

Consider that Christ IS the High Priest though, which supports me, in that Elijah was a Levite:

Hebrews 9:11
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Prophets didn't have to be a Levite. Yeshua was of the Melchizedek order.

 

[yedida]

How have you determined that I am not a MJ? I will gladly refrain from speaking on these matters here if it is against the rules to discuss the relevance of Jewish teaching and tradition as it relates to a messiah.

You have determined that you are a Christian seeker.
This area is one of the congregational specific forums, Messianic Judaism. We do not speak of things pertaining to "a" messiah. We gather together to speak of things pertaining to God's Messiah, Yeshua.
To teach and debate in any congregational specific subforum, you must be a member of that particular forum/faith. This is shown by the icon you choose.
It's nothing personal, it's CF rules.

 

[cupid dave]

I think both of you need to review the CF rules. Neither of you are MJ, why are you debating among yourselves here? This should be taken to Gen. Theo. or Unorthodox Thoe.

Bury the discussion when both Judaism and Christianity cry out "the truth?"
For the christian, Christ said, "I am the Truth,"...

 

[visionary]

How have you determined that I am not a MJ? I will gladly refrain from speaking on these matters here if it is against the rules to discuss the relevance of Jewish teaching and tradition as it relates to a messiah.

You can always post "in question format" here on the forum.

 

[yedida]

Consider that Christ IS the High Priest though, which supports me, in that Elijah was a Levite:

Hebrews 9:11
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Just being a Levite doesn't equate to being a priest. The priesthood came from the line of Aaron within the Levite tribe. One specific line of peoples.

 

[Huram Abi]

In order to debate, you are supposed to have the MJ icon. That's for sure.

Duly noted. It just irks me when people bait and switch, stating that there is a legitimate authority behind their claims and then contort their source to say something it clearly doesn't. I suggest you make this guy tell you what paragraph and sentence he is pulling his ideas from every time. He has been fully dishonest in every interaction I've had with him here.

Sorry for intruding.

 

[cupid dave]

Just being a Levite doesn't equate to being a priest. The priesthood came from the line of Aaron within the Levite tribe. One specific line of peoples.

That is true.
The Kohans are the priests before God forever.
They are the sons of Aaron.

We read inthe Gentile Bible that Elizabeth, cousin to Mary, was married to a Kohan, Zechariah.
Since Elizabeth and Mary were cousins, they were both daughters of Kohans since intermarriage was forbidden the Kohans.

 

[Devri]

The forum says this is for gentiles and MJ's...
Right?

Dave...with respect, I ask that you don't do the same thing here as you did in MySpaz. This is a very different place where we are discussing Messianic Judaism as both Jews and Gentiles who become Messianic. Nothing more. This is not a Christian forum but I'd bet there are plenty who have the same passionate feelings you do in The Christian forum. Try out those forums and see what you think.

Nice to see you again. I am "About My Father's Business"

 

[yedida]

That is true.
The Kohans are the priests before God forever.
They are the sons of Aaron.

We read inthe Gentile Bible that Elizabeth, cousin to Mary, was married to a Kohan, Zechariah.
Since Elizabeth and Mary were cousins, they were both daughters of Kohans since intermarriage was forbidden the Kohans.

Intermarriage was forbidden the men, but to my understanding, not to the women. They were free to marry into any other tribe, as long as it was one of the 12 and not a foreign people.

 

[Huram Abi]

You can always post "in question format" here on the forum.

Also, duly noted.

 

[Huram Abi]

Dave...with respect, I ask that you don't do the same thing here as you did in MySpaz. This is a very different place where we are discussing Messianic Judaism as both Jews and Gentiles who become Messianic. Nothing more. This is not a Christian forum but I'd bet there are plenty who have the same passionate feelings you do in The Christian forum. Try out those forums and see what you think.

Nice to see you again. I am "About My Father's Business"

You know this guy? Is he ever honest about anything?

 

[yedida]

Dave...with respect, I ask that you don't do the same thing here as you did in MySpaz. This is a very different place where we are discussing Messianic Judaism as both Jews and Gentiles who become Messianic. Nothing more. This is not a Christian forum but I'd bet there are plenty who have the same passionate feelings you do in The Christian forum. Try out those forums and see what you think.

Nice to see you again. I am "About My Father's Business"

We believe in Yeshua Messiah. We do not follow traditional church teachings but we are of the Christian faith. But we also follow Torah in the same sense that Yeshua followed and taught and as his disciples walked and taught.

 

[yedida]

You know this guy? Is he ever honest about anything?

In what way is he being dishonest? Misunderstanding, maybe, but dishonest? How?

 

[Huram Abi]

In what way is he being dishonest? Misunderstanding, maybe, but dishonest? How?

Pointing to Baba Kamma 38a and claiming it says that following the 7 Noachide Laws makes a Gentile higher than the High Priest of Israel.

Anyone who has read it, is knowledgable that it clearly doesn't say that. If he hasn't read it, then how can he speak on it? Therefore, whether he has or has not read it, there is deceit in his intent.

 

[Devri]

We believe in Yeshua Messiah. We do not follow traditional church teachings but we are of the Christian faith. But we also follow Torah in the same sense that Yeshua followed and taught and as his disciples walked and taught.

I know this but I also know "Cupid Dave." He is extremely passionate about debate and gets a bit extreme sometimes. I love him anyway.

 

[ContraMundum]

Please explain the 1 Corinthians 11 section that deals with Communion aka Eucharist, Mass, the Lord's Supper, the Last Supper etc. I find your description that it is a "pagan ritual that in later years took on a 'chirstian garb (sic)'" quite offensive.

Yes, I agree. It's revolting and vile to think of a Jewish kiddush rite during the Seder as a "pagan" rite of some kind. While I am not all that surprised, it is a new low in the latest outrageous claim to come out of this forum. It should be reportable and banned.

 

[ContraMundum]

I would question the translation.. a good Jew, Paul would never call it communion, that is a roman religious term, not Jewish.

Paul said:

1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Yeshua would never do something outside of Judaism because He is the Jewish Messiah. If Yeshua performed a roman religious ritual, his disciples would have fled the room in a heart beat.

Pure speculation. If He is the Messiah and God, whatever He does, whether deemed by YOU to be Gentile or Jewish, is kosher, like it or not. He has more authority than Jewish ritual.

Everything that happened at the Passover seder was within keeping with customs and Yeshua elaborated as a good Rabbi does.

Correct...so if you have a problem with it, it is your interpretation that is wrong, not scripture, not Christianity.

I just think you often display a serious anti-Catholic bias that throws the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Huram Abi]

Is censorship better than open discussion?

 

[yedida]

The forum says this is for gentiles and MJ's...
Right?

Yes, for those following Messianic Judaism. This is a congregational specific subforum. Only those who are MJ/Gs are allowed to teach/debate in here. All others are welcome to fellowship and ask questions, but not teach or debate.
This is CF rules.