Messianic Judaism

[yedida]

Absolutely not! He is often delusional and at times frightening in his thoughts.

The RnP that was mentioned is merely the Religion and Philosophy forums found at MySpace where there is a hodge podge of everything. He does not have a "congregation" there, in fact most people try to avoid him.

I love him because it is commanded by God that we love each other. Other than that...I don't have ANY association with Dave.

Well alright then! Thanks for the heads up. Regardless of where he's coming from, he's not allowed to teach/debate here so eventually someone will report him for doing so. We try to give the benefit of the doubt at first but if they persist.....

 

[Devri]

I didn't think it was you. (I remembered you were the converting person and noticed you were paying attention.) I was basically listing off that we've had 4 newbies in about 2 days!! That's a lot in this little forum!!
We are very happy to have new MJ/Gs join us. And don't worry about maybe not knowing so much. We were all there once. (Shoot, I only learned a few months ago that I'm not supposed to blow out the Shabbat candles. I'd been doing that for 7 years!) Stick around, it won't last, that's for sure. We all (including you) have much to share and much to learn.
Again, we are very happy to have you here.

Thank you. I am honored to be here.

Our Rabbi and Rabbitzin are very traditional with their teachings so I feel comfortable that I am learning well. Slow...but well. They have started a Hebrew Roots teaching that took us back to the beginning and is walking us step by step through the traditions, festivals and we physically experience every aspect of all of them. Within the next couple weeks they plan to start teaching us the hebrew language. I'm very excited about that.

I am planning to build my first Sukkah this week. That should be interesting I'm going to put my best effort into keeping it as traditional as possible.

I am like a sponge right now. I can't get enough. Feed me! I'm hungry.

 

[Devri]

Well alright then! Thanks for the heads up. Regardless of where he's coming from, he's not allowed to teach/debate here so eventually someone will report him for doing so. We try to give the benefit of the doubt at first but if they persist.....

That sounds fair to me. I really enjoy the spirit I feel in this group of people. I like it very much. Thank you for accepting me. It means a great deal to me.

 

[Huram Abi]

Ah, okay! I knew there was something off about him when he tried to say that "grass" should be interpreted as "bacteria" to support a scientific interpretation of Genesis.

So, great! A delusional and obviously self taught lone wolf who is obsessed with Jesus being Elijah. You know what that means? He probably thinks that he is the Messiah. Awesome!

You are probably right not to have any association with him.

 

[cupid dave]

I know this but I also know "Cupid Dave." He is extremely passionate about debate and gets a bit extreme sometimes. I love him anyway.

Well thank you for the christian virtue of welcoming the stranger among you all.
I think if you examine the things I post you will see that I have always been up front with my comments concerning what i believe,

Here is a concise list of the issues i discuass:


1) Genesis literally says the same things as Modern Science.

2) Sexual Promiscuity creates welfare Single Mothers who raise criminal children.

3) Elijah returned in 32AD and did the same things again.

4) Homosexuality is a signal that the culture is Matriarchic, weak, and about to fall.

5) Christ is Truth, and his image is "Reality," our Almighty g-d.

6) The 1000 year reign of Christ ended in 1054AD with the Greek Schism.

7) Peace on Earth starts in Israel when Christian pilgrims flood into the Holy Lands.

 

[cupid dave]

Okay, you're talking about CupidDave? At first I thought it was Davri that you were saying was being dishonest. I misunderstood the "this guy" was someone other than Devri.

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Babylonian Talmud, Baba Kamma 38a
http://www.halakhah.com/babakamma/babakamma_38.html
But it has been taught: 'R. Meir used to say, Whence can we learn that even where a Gentile occupies himself with the study of the Torah he equals [in status] the High Priest?

We find it stated:[bless and do not curse]… Lev. XVIII, 5: "which if a man do he shall live in them;"[bless and do not curse]

It does not say "priests, Levites and Israelites", but "a man", which shows that even if a Gentile occupies himself with the study of the Torah he equals [in status] the High Priest.'

I mean [in saying that they would receive no reward] that they will receive reward not like those who having been enjoined perform commandments, but like those who not having been enjoined perform good deeds: for R. Hanina has stated:
"Greater is the reward of those who having been enjoined do good deeds than of those who not having been enjoined [but merely out of free will] do good deeds."

 

[yedida]

Well thank you for the christian virtue of welcoming the stranger among you all.
I think if you examine the things I post you will see that I have always been up front with my comments concerning what i believe,

Here is a concise list of the issues i discuass:


1) Genesis literally says the same things as Modern Science.

2) Sexual Promiscuity creates welfare Single Mothers who raise criminal children.

3) Elijah returned in 32AD and did the same things again.

4) Homosexuality is a signal that the culture is Matriarchic, weak, and about to fall.

5) Christ is Truth, and his image is "Reality," our Almighty g-d.

6) The 1000 year reign of Christ ended in 1054AD with the Greek Schism.

7) Peace on Earth starts in Israel when Christian pilgrims flood into the Holy Lands.

What part can you not understand? It has nothing to do (at this point) what you teach or debate - YOU CANNOT DO IT HERE!!
This is a congregational specific subforum of CF and to teach and debate here you must adhere to the tenets of Messianic Judaism. You do not. Therefore, you are a guest here and allowed only to fellowship and ask questions - not teach and debate or argue. For that you must go to General Theology or Unorthodox Theology.
If you continue to teach/debate here you will get reported.

 

[cupid dave]

Intermarriage was forbidden the men, but to my understanding, not to the women. They were free to marry into any other tribe, as long as it was one of the 12 and not a foreign people.

yes, they would give up certain advantages though.

However, since Joseph was NOT the biological father of jesus, and Mary was a Levite, Jesus can only be considered from Judah by adoption.

 

[cupid dave]

Dave...with respect, I ask that you don't do the same thing here as you did in MySpaz.

For which of these things that i do am I faulted for?


1) Genesis literally says the same things as Modern Science.

2) Sexual Promiscuity creates welfare Single Mothers who raise criminal children.

3) Elijah returned in 32AD and did the same things again.

4) Homosexuality is a signal that the culture is Matriarchic, weak, and about to fall.

5) Christ is Truth and his image is Reality, the Almighty.

6) The 1000 year reign of Christ ended in 1054AD with the Greek Schism.

7) Peace on Earth starts in Israel when Christian pilgrims flood into the Holy Lands.

 

[cupid dave]

This is a congregational specific subforum of CF and to teach and debate here you must adhere to the tenets of Messianic Judaism.

Where can I get the one authoritative list of these tenets of Messianic Judaism?

 

[yedida]

yes, they would give up certain advantages though.

However, since Joseph was NOT the biological father of jesus, and Mary was a Levite, Jesus can only be considered from Judah by adoption.

No, you have to do some homework, but if you follow his lineage you'll find that his maternal grandfather was of the tribe of Judah.

 

[yedida]

For which of these things that i do am I faulted for?


1) Genesis literally says the same things as Modern Science.

2) Sexual Promiscuity creates welfare Single Mothers who raise criminal children.

3) Elijah returned in 32AD and did the same things again.

4) Homosexuality is a signal that the culture is Matriarchic, weak, and about to fall.

5) Christ is Truth and his image is Reality, the Almighty.

6) The 1000 year reign of Christ ended in 1054AD with the Greek Schism.

7) Peace on Earth starts in Israel when Christian pilgrims flood into the Holy Lands.

#1 I cannot debate out of ignorance of the subject of Modern Science.
#2 Is just wrong and opionated.
#3 Is not true or else give me book, chapter and verses please.
#4 Is just wrong and the subject is not allow on CF.
#5 We worship the Almighty God, not the Almighty god, don't know who he is
#6 Wrong or book, chapter and verses please.
#7 I'm not sure how to interpret this statement. The land belongs to the Jews, it was promised by Hashem to Abraham and his progeny, some of them are Christians, all of them are Jews.

BUT, like I said before, the above is not the issue. The issue is that you do not follow Messianic Judaism.
For a general idea of MJ, check out the SoP sticky on the MJ homepage.

 

[Huram Abi]

No, you have to do some homework, but if you follow his lineage you'll find that his maternal grandfather was of the tribe of Judah.

Isn't his whole point to say that Elijah is a Levite because Jesus is?

Consider where this line of thought started:

"Consider that Christ IS the High Priest though, which supports me, in that Elijah was a Levite" -Cupid


Do you think he is really interested in Jesus' lineage to do any homework?
Shouldn't he be questioned on why he thinks Christ as the high priest gives any context to Elijah's lineage?

I don't think he cares about facts one jot.

 

[yedida]

Isn't his whole point to say that Elijah is a Levite because Jesus is?

Consider where this line of thought started:

"Consider that Christ IS the High Priest though, which supports me, in that Elijah was a Levite" -Cupid


Do you think he is really interested in Jesus' lineage to do any homework?
Shouldn't he be questioned on why he thinks Christ as the high priest gives any context to Elijah's lineage?

I don't think he cares about facts one jot.

Oh, we get people in here from mainstream all the time. They come in thinking they are going to enlighten us about following Torah, they're going to save us from ourselves and make us "see the light." Sadly, they leave very disallusioned, but hopefully a little more enlightened Those of CDs caliber don't bother us too much, we don't take them seriously. But if we can get a little light in them before their eminent departure then that's a good thing.

 

[Huram Abi]

Oh, we get people in here from mainstream all the time. They come in thinking they are going to enlighten us about following Torah, they're going to save us from ourselves and make us "see the light." Sadly, they leave very disallusioned, but hopefully a little more enlightened Those of CDs caliber don't bother us too much, we don't take them seriously. But if we can get a little light in them before their eminent departure then that's a good thing.

And what about me?

I understand you guys need a safe, uninterupted haven where trolls can't come to feed, or, in Cupid's case, give off waste, but I don't intend to try to shake anyone from their tenets. But I also learn best from playing the devil's advocate. I am labeled as a seeker for a specific reason.

How do I give and receive light here without stepping on anyone's toes?

 

[Heber]

I begin any search for truth with no assumptions about the subject so that I am sure to minimalize the impact of my subjective ideology on my final conclusion. I've also been disciplined to develop and utilize critical thinking skills to interpret all relevant information in a meaningful way that suspends my bias so I see the subject in any relevant dimension rather than choosing to see things in 2D; that is, from only one side.

So, where do I find these facts? In college research databases and in religious and archeology forums, to begin. I also have a personal library filled with books on various related topics. Comparative religion and history courses have helped, as well. The artifacts of this subject are well-documented and archived, if one chooses to expand their scope of information to include sources outside of television, work, and church.

Then I am afraid that on this subject your training has let you down badly. You should be aware that on this forum there are people very highly qualified in a number of disciplines, including Church history, linguistics, comparative religions etc., errors will soon get spotted and challenged.

 

[Heber]

I agree scripture... If you won't accept the irrefutable evidence.. nothing stops you from stopping the discussion where you want to get off. You are trained to behave the way you do. Obviously you bought it. Mind closed.

When you provide the irrefutable evidence I will give it due consideration. Up to this point you have provided none. You are arguing from a blank page. Blustering will get you nowhere.

 

[Huram Abi]

Then I am afraid that on this subject your training has let you down badly. You should be aware that on this forum there are people very highly qualified in a number of disciplines, including Church history, linguistics, comparative religions etc., errors will soon get spotted and challenged.

Trust me... I prefer to be among equals. If the people here are highly qualified in a number of disciplines and can demonstrate with logic, reason, and empirical evidence that something i've said is in error, I am glad to either learn or admit that I am wrong. This only makes me better and closer to my fulfillment of self-actualization. Correction and refinement are precious jewels to me. The sooner errors are spotted and challenged, the better. I hope you hold everyone to this standard.

I know I will, including you. Please expound on how my education has badly let me down. Please be sure to use sources!

 

[Heber]

Trust me... I prefer to be among equals. If the people here are highly qualified in a number of disciplines and can demonstrate with logic, reason, and empirical evidence that something i've said is in error, I am glad to either learn or admit that I am wrong. This only makes me better and closer to my fulfillment of self-actualization. Correction and refinement are precious jewels to me. The sooner errors are spotted and challenged, the better. I hope you hold everyone to this standard.

I know I will, including you. Please expound on how my education has badly let me down. Please be sure to use sources!

Careful reading of the Bible will give you evidence you need that the Christian celebration known as Eucharist / Communion / Lord's Supper / Last Supper / Breaking of Bread, has its origins in the Passover Seder of Judaism. As Scripture gives the meaning, authority and means, Christians need no external evidence from the secular world.

 

[yedida]

And what about me?

I understand you guys need a safe, uninterupted haven where trolls can't come to feed, or, in Cupid's case, give off waste, but I don't intend to try to shake anyone from their tenets. But I also learn best from playing the devil's advocate. I am labeled as a seeker for a specific reason.

How do I give and receive light here without stepping on anyone's toes?

check your pm.