Messianic Judaism

[bythegraceofgodgoi]

I find you folks fascinating. You are perhaps the most true and direct heirs to Christ Yahshua's teachings and ministries - did he not come, after all, to (among other reasons) reform Judaism? I think that Messianic Jews represent the realization of this intent. What do you think? If I had my way I'd be a "Jew for Jesus". I've been thinking that to accomplish this goal I might convert to Judaism and then back to Christianity!

 

[yedida]

I find you folks fascinating. You are perhaps the most true and direct heirs to Christ Yahshua's teachings and ministries - did he not come, after all, to (among other reasons) reform Judaism? I think that Messianic Jews represent the realization of this intent. What do you think? If I had my way I'd be a "Jew for Jesus". I've been thinking that to accomplish this goal I might convert to Judaism and then back to Christianity!

That's what Paul was so busy talking about and why he's so misunderstood today. There is NO NEED to convert to Judaism to be a believer in the Messiah. He is what was promised to Abraham that would bless all nations, if they will only choose to receive.

To do such a thing, convert to Judaism to switch again touo Christianity would be a very dishonest thing. If I'm not mistaken, one must renounce any and all spiritual allegiances in the formal conversion process. And you would be swearing this oath in God's name - could you do this knowing it wouldn't be true? Is that something that you could easily rationalize and justify? I couldn't.

Instead why don't you just join us, we are Jews and Gentiles here in Messianic Judaism forums. We are all members of the same family of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! There's room for many more!

 

[yonah_mishael]

I've been thinking that to accomplish this goal I might convert to Judaism and then back to Christianity!

!חס וחלילה

 

[yonah_mishael]

That's what Paul was so busy talking about and why he's so misunderstood today. There is NO NEED to convert to Judaism to be a believer in the Messiah. He is what was promised to Abraham that would bless all nations, if they will only choose to receive.

To do such a thing, convert to Judaism to switch again touo Christianity would be a very dishonest thing. If I'm not mistaken, one must renounce any and all spiritual allegiances in the formal conversion process. And you would be swearing this oath in God's name - could you do this knowing it wouldn't be true? Is that something that you could easily rationalize and justify? I couldn't.

Instead why don't you just join us, we are Jews and Gentiles here in Messianic Judaism forums. We are all members of the same family of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! There's room for many more!

+1

 

[anisavta]

!חס וחלילה

כן

 

[anisavta]

I find you folks fascinating. You are perhaps the most true and direct heirs to Christ Yahshua's teachings and ministries - did he not come, after all, to (among other reasons) reform Judaism? I think that Messianic Jews represent the realization of this intent. What do you think? If I had my way I'd be a "Jew for Jesus". I've been thinking that to accomplish this goal I might convert to Judaism and then back to Christianity!

Yeshua came to redeem and teach us how to walk out Torah (G~d's instructions). To switch from one religion to another and then back will only frustrate you (not to mention everyone else!). Just read the Words of Yeshua and follow Him.

 

[ContraMundum]

!חס וחלילה

מוסכם

 

[ContraMundum]

I find you folks fascinating. You are perhaps the most true and direct heirs to Christ Yahshua's teachings and ministries - did he not come, after all, to (among other reasons) reform Judaism? I think that Messianic Jews represent the realization of this intent. What do you think? If I had my way I'd be a "Jew for Jesus". I've been thinking that to accomplish this goal I might convert to Judaism and then back to Christianity!

Being Jewish will gain you no special or extra favour with God. Just relax, be yourself and try to live out the Gospel in your life.

 

[ChavaK]

To switch from one religion to another and then back will only frustrate you (not to mention everyone else!).

Plus it would be pointless anyway. A "conversion" to Judaism such as that
would be invalid. As Contra says, being a Jew doesn't gain you anything
extra.

 

[Desert Rose]

I've been thinking that to accomplish this goal I might convert to Judaism and then back to Christianity!

....sלסגור את המעגל
,so to speak
in the spirit of your joke ...

-Rabbi,I want to get married
-Great, it will complete you.
- But what if wife will be unkind or nagging?
- You are right, then dont.
- But she is from respectable family and has good parents.
- Then go ahead and marry.
- What if it doesnt work out, we divorce, she takes all I have?
- Hm.. good point. dont marry yet.
- But I am lonely being single and...
(Rabbi interrupts and points his finger out of the window to a church across the street)
Yitzik! I have a solution for you. Convert to Christianity.
- O_O Whaaaaat?but why, Rabbi...
- So you go there and annoy the pastor with your questions,not me!

 

[Desert Rose]

(Trying to get serious here) But as others mentioned, offcial conversion to Judaism is extremely hard.
We have a member of Knesset - do you know what Knesset is? As acidmouth jokers radioshow hosts like to say, it's like a pair of pants,only it has 120 asses in it, not one, and.. (i can pm the rest per request, its not appropriate for family oriented forum)

Where was I? Ok, Knesset member, Anastasia Mihaeli, a married woman with 8 (!) children. Was forced to marry her husband the second time ,so its done according to halachic traditions, just to make guiyr (it's a conversion procedure,can be a real freak show) valid. At the time of marriage they already had 3 children. just to give you a small taste, on a fork's edge,so to speak, of what fun conversion can be

 

[ChavaK]

Anastasia Mihaeli, a married woman with 8 (!) children. Was forced to marry her husband the second time ,so its done according to halachic traditions, just to make guiyr (it's a conversion procedure,can be a real freak show) valid. At the time of marriage they already had 3 children. just to give you a small taste, on a fork's edge,so to speak, of what fun conversion can be

That's normal. Anyone who converts (who is already married to a Jew or who has a spouse also converting) or
who "upgrades" their conversion generally remarries their spouse to make
it a valid marriage. I have a friend who has married her same husband at
least four times. I also know various couples where both were Jews but
got remarried in an Orthodox ceremony when they became frum.

I think most religious institutions would want their members married in
a way that meets the obligations of the faith.

 

[zaksmummy]

That's normal. Anyone who converts (who is already married to a Jew or who has a spouse also converting) or
who "upgrades" their conversion generally remarries their spouse to make
it a valid marriage. I have a friend who has married her same husband at
least four times. I also know various couples where both were Jews but
got remarried in an Orthodox ceremony when they became frum.

I think most religious institutions would want their members married in
a way that meets the obligations of the faith.

I just dont get this, if you are married, you are married, its as valid as the day you said your vows, isnt it? Isnt it more important that you have honoured your vows in the first place, where ever you said them?

Please explain, if Im missing something

 

[yedida]

From what I understand when one converts to Judaism and undergoes the mikveh, they come out of the waters a "new creature" old things have passed away (including all ties that bind to the "other" dead life). I could be wrong.....

 

[anisavta]

Everyone is attracted to the glamor of - whatever. Shiny colors!!
Novelties wear off however and then you're stuck with the everyday and the stuff they don't tell you when you first sign up.
When the Amish novelty sprung up - fiction books showed up on bookshelves, TV movies came out. People were drawn to the "peaceful life". But "they" didn't go into the hard controlling life on the other side of the camera and pen.
Judaism looks great - lots of food, dancing, singing yada yada but it's no different in it's inconsistencies than Christianity. Same people - different outfits.

 

[visionary]

It was simpler in Issac's day... He went in .. and "knew" her.

 

[yedida]

Ani's got it right. All groups have their "shiny" and they all have their greys and blacks. All. I personally think that it will be found somewhere between the blacks of Judaism and the blacks of RCC which the protestants held onto. Will we ever "find" it? I hope so...

 

[Desert Rose]

I have a friend who has married her same husband at
least four times.

4 times,and she kept marrying the same guy?
some people just dont learn from their mistakes, do they?

Joking aside, of course its common, even i didnt know orhtodoxs bother with that in US, where, God bless America, you have normal civil marriage.
Just pointing out that conversion is a difficult process and time/energy consuming.

 

[Desert Rose]

It was simpler in Issac's day... He went in .. and "knew" her.

would've created tons of confusion nowadays, right, Visie? Almost the entire senior class of an average american public highschool would be married by using that criterion

 

[yonah_mishael]

would've created tons of confusion nowadays, right, Visie? Almost the entire senior class of an average american public highschool would be married by using that criterion

Just American, eh?