Messiah and the Covenant

[ananda]

In the law of love (Mt 22:37-40), which is the law of Christ ...

How do we love YHWH, Messiah, and others? Is it merely a good feeling in our hearts?

The Apostle John answered this for us:

1. Loving YHWH: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1Jn 5:3
2. Loving others: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1Jn 5:2

 

[Clare73]

Romans 14:14, 1 Corinthians 8:8, 1 Corinthians 10:25

The context of Romans 14 ...refers to meat sold of being contaminated or defiled by idols. Paul is stating that idols do not make meat unclean, as a Jew would consider it.

Oblique misrepresentation through omission of Ro 14:14, 20; 1Tim 4:4; Heb 9:10.

You handle the Scriptures loosely.

Read Ro 14:14, 20 again, and give the correct meaning to each word. . .such as: "no food" is unclean in itself. . ."all food" is clean. . .

 

[Clare73]

Correct.
The word koinos = uncommon and not unclean.
Talk about a biased, erroneous translation of a simple Greek word, to distort the passage.

Are you sure about that?

"common" - belonging to the generaltiy, as distinct from what is peculiar to the few;
religious practices of Gentiles in contrast with those of Jews. . .hence the meaning of "unclean/defiled" as in Mk 7:2.

See Ac 10:14, 11:8 where koinos and akathartos are used together, "common and unclean"

Are you saying that koinos in Ro 14:14 does not mean "unclean"?

No wonder you don't understand the NT.

 

[Clare73]

No clue what you are talking about.

Which explains why you don't understand the NT. . .because the self-evident absurdity of your rationale, addressed in the following, is not visible to you:

Well, according to that "logic,"

women transgressed the law when they didn't obey the laws related to the Levitical Priesthood and vice versa,

virgins transgressed the law when they didn't obey the laws related to marriage and parenting, and vice versa,

although Jesus was sinless (Jn 8:46), he transgressed the law when he didn't observe all the purification laws.

You betray the absurdity required to unseat the NT Word of God when it is not taken at its clear word.

 

[Clare73]

. . .if ANY prophet comes and speaks or teaches ANYTHING against the commandments of God, that prophet is a false prophet, deserving DEATH!

What prophet or dreamer of dreams are you talking about here?

 

[Clare73]

Messiah observed EVERY SINGLE commandment that applied to Him.

I'm not the one who suggested Christ didn't fulfill the Law because he didn't observe the laws applying to women, parents, priests.

 

[Clare73]

How do we love YHWH, Messiah, and others? Is it merely a good feeling in our hearts?

Jesus gave the commandment.
Ask him.

 

[ananda]

Jesus gave the commandment.
Ask him.

Do you deny what the Apostle John wrote? That loving YHWH, Messiah, and others involve keeping YHWH's commandments?

 

[JLB777]

How do we love YHWH, Messiah, and others? Is it merely a good feeling in our hearts?

The Apostle John answered this for us:

1. Loving YHWH: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1Jn 5:3
2. Loving others: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1Jn 5:2

Great word!

Please list the commandments we are to keep.


JLB

 

[ananda]

Great word! Please list the commandments we are to keep.

All of them, to the best of our ability, as we are enabled, and when they apply to us in our capacity.

 

[JLB777]

All of them, to the best of our ability, as we are enabled, and when they apply to us in our capacity.

That's what I thought. You go around telling people to you must keep the commandments, but really, as a New Covenant believer, you don't know which ones.

This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

These things I command you, that you love one another.


JLB

 

[ananda]

That's what I thought. You go around telling people to you must keep the commandments, but really, as a New Covenant believer, you don't know which ones.

This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

These things I command you, that you love one another.


JLB

And in these verses you quoted: does it say these are the only commandments? Secondly, they say "love one another": what did John say about how we should "love one another"?

 

[JLB777]

And in these verses you quoted: does it say these are the only commandments? Secondly, they say "love one another": what did John say about how we should "love one another"?

You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.


The emphasis is on what he is saying, not on what was said. Of course God's righteous moral Law is for yesterday, today and forever!

However, our daily bread is is what He is saying Today, not yesterday's Manna.

Notice the context -

If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

words = Rhema - spoken word not written word.

What is Jesus saying to you today.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.


You won't find -
"Go to a street call straight" or
"Go to the house of Cornelius"

in the old testament.

If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

Jesus was directed by The Father.

The signs, wonders and miracles were the result of -

I only do what I see The Father do.
I say what I hear My Father say.

Not keeping the 10 Commandments.

I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

Jesus did what He was commanded by The Father.

You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

They were clean because of the living Rhema word that Jesus spoke to them, NOT BECAUSE THEY KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS.

And so it is with us!

JLB

 

[Clare73]

Great word!

Please list the commandments we are to keep.


JLB

Jesus clarified that:

"If you love me, you will obey what I command. . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father." (Jn 14:15, 21)

His commands?

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." (Jn 13:34).

"By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another" (not if you devote yourselves to written regulations). (Jn 13:35)

"My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you." (Jn 15:12)

"This is my command: Love each other." (Jn 15:17)

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you." (Lk 6:27-28)

Christ's commands are the law of Christ (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2), which is love (Jas 2:8; Ro 13:8-10)
and which is the law of God (1Co 9:21) of which John speaks.

The law of Christ upholds the law of Moses (Ro 13:8-10), minus its curse on transgression of it (Dt 27:26).

 

[Clare73]

And in these verses you quoted: does it say these are the only commandments? Secondly, they say "love one another": what did John say about how we should "love one another"?

Did you need a written law to know what love means?

You don't need a written law to know that, if you love someone , you will not steal from him, you will not kill him, you will not commit adultery with his spouse, you will not lust after his possessions, etc.

That's why the whole law is fulfilled by love alone (Ro 13:8-10), it doesn't need written regulations.

What part of the law of Christ, which is the law of God (1Co 9:21), do you not understand?

 

[JLB777]

Did you need a written law to know what love means?

You don't need a written law to know that, if you love someone , you will not steal from him, you will not kill him, you will not commit adultery with his spouse, you will not lust after his possessions, etc.

That's why the whole law is fulfilled by love alone (Ro 13:8-10), it doesn't need written regulations.

What part of the law of Christ, which is the law of God (1Co 9:21), do you not understand?

Amen to that, sister.

Furthermore the law could not gives a Divine nature!


Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising. Acts 17:29

for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, Romans 2:14

by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 2 Peter 1:4



This new nature we have when we are born again is now compatible with The Spirit of God to be led by Him.


The new nature has a desire for righteousness, for we are born of God.


... for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.





This Divine Nature enables God to dwell in us, to lead and guide us into all truth!


We are now equipped to do the works that He did.


Cast out devils.


Heal the sick.


Raise the dead.


Forgive sins.


Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus ...




JLB

 

[ananda]

I only do what I see The Father do.
I say what I hear My Father say. Not keeping the 10 Commandments. They were clean because of the living Rhema word that Jesus spoke to them, NOT BECAUSE THEY KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS. And so it is with us!

As long as I "believe in Jesus," it's ok for me to break the 10 commandments, correct?

 

[ananda]

Christ's commands are the law of Christ (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2) ... The law of Christ upholds the law of Moses (Ro 13:8-10), minus its curse on transgression of it (Dt 27:26).

Then said Yehoshua unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things ... For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak ... Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.- Jn 8:28, Jn 12:49, Jn 14:10

Messiah's commandments are not to be distinguished from the Father's commandments. Messiah was the "mouth" of YHWH. Everything Messiah said, is to be considered the Words of YHWH.

 

[ananda]

Did you need a written law to know what love means? You don't need a written law to know that, if you love someone , you will not steal from him, you will not kill him, you will not commit adultery with his spouse, you will not lust after his possessions, etc.

Do I need a written law to understand that I should obey the Sabbath? Did Adam and Eve need a spoken law to understand that they should not eat from the Tree?

 

[JLB777]

Then said Yehoshua unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things ... For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak ... Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.- Jn 8:28, Jn 12:49, Jn 14:10

Messiah's commandments are not to be distinguished from the Father's commandments. Messiah was the "mouth" of YHWH. Everything Messiah said, is to be considered the Words of YHWH.

Jesus Christ is YHWH!


If you have the nature of Jesus, you will have no desire to sin, not because you "keep" the law, but because you have a Divine Nature whose desire is for righteousness!

If your have a Divine Nature it is because Jesus Christ paid the price for you to have it, not because you "keep" the Law of Moses!


If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


JLB