Messiah and the Covenant

[visionary]

One of the biggest misconception is that the NT is NC..
The New Testament is not the New Covenant | Messianic Jewish Musings

 

[JLB777]

lol...i think he might be...
we do after all 'look' alike

Sorry, my bad!

All you guys with those little caps look alike to me!


JLB

 

[JLB777]

Visionary wrote -

One of the biggest misconception is that the NT is NC..



Since the Old Covenant is that which The Lord made with Abraham, of which we are a part of in Christ!

The Old Covenant/Testament is not the Law of Moses,

The Law of Moses was added [temporarily] to the Abrahamic Covenant ...till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made...

... the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,

The Lord who made Covenant with Abraham had to become flesh to fulfill His part of the blood covenant!


JLB

 

[tzadik]

Visionary wrote -

One of the biggest misconception is that the NT is NC..



Since the Old Covenant is that which The Lord made with Abraham, of which we are a part of in Christ!

The Old Covenant/Testament is not the Law of Moses,

The Law of Moses was added [temporarily] to the Abrahamic Covenant ...till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made...

... the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,

The Lord who made Covenant with Abraham had to become flesh to fulfill His part of the blood covenant!


JLB

wow.

Too many things wrong with the above. Hopefully someone else can correct them...I've gotta run...

 

[visionary]

Visionary wrote -

One of the biggest misconception is that the NT is NC..



Since the Old Covenant is that which The Lord made with Abraham, of which we are a part of in Christ!

The Old Covenant/Testament is not the Law of Moses,

The Law of Moses was added [temporarily] to the Abrahamic Covenant ...till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made...

... the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,

The Lord who made Covenant with Abraham had to become flesh to fulfill His part of the blood covenant!


JLB

Confirmation does not mean annulled or done away with. Fulfilled is meeting His obligations of the covenant.. but it in no form does away with the covenant.

 

[JLB777]

Confirmation does not mean annulled or done away with. Fulfilled is meeting His obligations of the covenant.. but it in no form does away with the covenant.

We are really trying to have a quality biblical discussion using scripture.

Please try to use some scripture.


Thanks, JLB

 

[visionary]

We are really trying to have a quality biblical discussion using scripture.

Please try to use some scripture.


Thanks, JLB

I am..

 

[tzadik]

Sorry, my bad!

All you guys with those little caps look alike to me!


JLB

Now that you have identified me correctly, perhaps you could answer my two unanswered posts?

93 and 94

 

[Clare73]

Confirmation does not mean annulled or done away with. Fulfilled is meeting His obligations of the covenant.. but it in no form does away with the covenant[/b].

The Sinaitic (Old) Covenant was done away with at the death of Christ with the inauguration of the New Covenent made in his blood (Lk 22:20; 1Co 3:6; Heb 8:7-8, 13, 9:15).

The background, why and how of all that is explained [post=60744292]HERE[/post].

 

[tzadik]

Visionary wrote -

One of the biggest misconception is that the NT is NC..

Since the Old Covenant is that which The Lord made with Abraham, of which we are a part of in Christ!

I am really curious as to how you came to the conclusion that the “Old Covenant” is the Abrahamic Covenant.

The Old Covenant/Testament is not the Law of Moses,

The Law of Moses was added [temporarily] to the Abrahamic Covenant...till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made...

Do you believe that the Law of God serves ANY purpose whatsoever to the believer? (then and now)?

... the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,

The Lord who made Covenant with Abraham had to become flesh to fulfill His part of the blood covenant!

Are you equating fulfill with annul here?

 

[tzadik]

Confirmation does not mean annulled or done away with. Fulfilled is meeting His obligations of the covenant.. but it in no form does away with the covenant.

The Sinaitic (Old) Covenant was done away with at the death of Christ and the inauguration of the New Covenent made in his blood (Lk 22:20; Heb 8:7-8, 13).

Wonderful.
What does that have to do with the Torah of God that not only transcends all covenants, but ironically, contains MOST of the covenants made by God and men.

Last time I checked, even the “New Covenant” will have the Torah of God, this time to be written on the hearts and minds.

[ps: I know how much many Christians want to explain away the “Torah of God” in Jeremiah 31:34 to mean..something OTHER than the TORAH of God, but it’s Scripturally impossible. The Torah to be written on the hearts and mind is the ONE AND ONLY Standard of righteousness of Adonai!

 

[Clare73]

One of the biggest misconception is that the NT is NC..
The New Testament is not the New Covenant | Messianic Jewish Musings

The NT commonly refers to the Scriptures written after the death of Christ.

The New Covenant (2Co 3:6; Heb 9:15) is the covenant made in the blood of Christ (Lk 22:20), which makes the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant obsolete (Heb 8:7-8, 13).

 

[tzadik]

The NT commonly refers to the Scriptures written after the death of Christ.

Except for the first four books?
So the "NT" is almost all Scriptures written after the death of Messiah...

What does that have to do with the "NC"?

 

[Clare73]

Wonderful.
What does that have to do with the Torah of God that not only transcends all covenants, but ironically, contains MOST of the covenants made by God and men.

Last time I checked, even the “New Covenant” will have the Torah of God, this time to be written on the hearts and minds.

[ps: I know how much many Christians want to explain away the “Torah of God” in Jeremiah 31:34 to mean..something OTHER than the TORAH of God, but it’s Scripturally impossible. The Torah to be written on the hearts and mind is the ONE AND ONLY Standard of righteousness of Adonai!

There's been a little confusion.

JLB referred to the Abrahamic Covenant as the Old Covenant which, technically, is correct.

However, Heb 8:8, 13 explains that in contrast to the "new covenant" of Jer 31:31, the Sinaitic covenant with Moses would be the "old covenant" (Heb 8:6).

Because of that, the Sinaitic covenant is commonly referred to as the "old covenant."

 

[Clare73]

Except for the first four books?
So the "NT" is almost all Scriptures written after the death of Messiah...

What does that have to do with the "NC"?

The NT Scriptures were all written after the death of Christ.

The NT is not the new covenant.

 

[tzadik]

Wonderful.
What does that have to do with the Torah of God that not only transcends all covenants, but ironically, contains MOST of the covenants made by God and men.

Last time I checked, even the “New Covenant” will have the Torah of God, this time to be written on the hearts and minds.

[ps: I know how much many Christians want to explain away the “Torah of God” in Jeremiah 31:34 to mean..something OTHER than the TORAH of God, but it’s Scripturally impossible. The Torah to be written on the hearts and mind is the ONE AND ONLY Standard of righteousness of Adonai!

There's been a little confusion.

JLB referred to the Abrahamic Covenant as the Old Covenant which, technically, is correct.

However, Heb 8:8, 13 explains that in contrast to the "new covenant" of Jer 31:31, the Sinaitic covenant with Moses would be the "old covenant" (Heb 8:6).

Because of that, the Sinaitic covenant is commonly referred to as the "old covenant."

No confusion here...
I am directly addressing your post #109 above...

 

[tzadik]

The NT Scriptures were all written after the death of Christ.

The NT is not the new covenant.

We agree on that*

 

[Clare73]

No confusion here...
I am directly addressing your post #109 above...

Following is my post #109:

The Sinaitic (Old) Covenant was done away with at the death of Christ (Heb 8:7-8, 13) with the inauguration of the New Covenent made in his blood (Lk 22:20; 2Co 3:6; Heb 9:15).

The background, why and how of all that is explained [post=60744292]HERE[/post].

With what Scriptures do you disagree there?

 

[Clare73]

Messiah did not completely fulfill the prophecies in the Law and the Prophets; they are yet to be completed.

Only the Law had to be fulfilled in order for the Law to disappear.

 

[tzadik]

Following is my post #109:



With what Scriptures do you disagree there?

You seem to suggest that the 'abolishing of the Old covenant' has ANYTHING to do with God's standard of righteousness (God's Torah, the revelation of His will)

What does that (abolishing the Old Covenant) have to do with the Torah of God that not only transcends all covenants, but ironically, contains MOST of the covenants made by God and men.

Last time I checked, even the “New Covenant” will have the Torah of God, this time to be written on the hearts and minds.

[ps: I know how much many Christians want to explain away the “Torah of God” in Jeremiah 31:34 to mean..something OTHER than the TORAH of God, but it’s Scripturally impossible. The Torah to be written on the hearts and mind is the ONE AND ONLY Standard of righteousness of Adonai!