Messiah and the Covenant

[tzadik]

Jeremiah 31:34 is referring to the New Covenant when no man will need to teach unbelievers to know YHWH. 1Jn 2:27 is referring to believers, not unbelievers. Two different issues.

I ask myself...
where in the world are people getting this stuff???

They probably believe that:

38. "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when the city will be rebuilt for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate.
39. "The measuring line will go out farther straight ahead to the hill Gareb; then it will turn to Goah.
40. "And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD; it will not be plucked up or overthrown anymore forever."

This has already come to pass too!

But I think one of the biggest and most ironic proofs that the New Covenant is far from complete..
is the fact that we are 'arguing about the Torah of God'....
the very same Torah that is "supposedly" already written on the hearts of all who partake in the New Covenant.

Do they honestly believe true covenant partakers in the New Covenant would be arguing about the very Law that is written on their hearts, LET ALONE dismiss it!??

"I am part of the New Covenant but, the Law of God that is written on my heart has been abolished!"
or
"I believe the New Covenant is complete, but the Law of God that is written on our hearts, is no longer valid!"

 

[JLB777]

אך בעשור לחדש השביעי הזה יום הכפרים הוא מקרא־קדש יהיה לכם ועניתם את־נפשתיכם והקרבתם אשה ליהוה׃ - Lev 23:27

There it is in black and white. Yom Kippur.

Are you calling this verse a "doctrine of man"?

The word Yom Kippur does not appear in the scriptures!

Doctrine of Man!

 

[JLB777]

Jeremiah 31:34 is referring to the New Covenant when no man will need to teach unbelievers to know YHWH. 1Jn 2:27 is referring to believers, not unbelievers. Two different issues.

No man will have to teach his brother or neighbor.

The priesthood taught the children of Israel under the old covenant,
now under the new covenant, WE ARE THE PRIESTHOOD AND NO ONE WILL HAVE TO TEACH US TO KNOW THE LORD!

WHY! BECAUSE THE ANOINTING OF THE HOLY ONE ABIDES IN US!

Unbelievers will always have to be taught.

That is Pure False Doctrine coming out of your heart!

First you say the covenant is with Judah and the house of Israel,
now you say it is with unbelievers!

33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."


The word of God has found you out again!

You are guilty of teaching doctrines of men!

JLB

 

[JLB777]

I ask myself...
where in the world are people getting this stuff???

They probably believe that:

38. "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when the city will be rebuilt for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate.
39. "The measuring line will go out farther straight ahead to the hill Gareb; then it will turn to Goah.
40. "And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD; it will not be plucked up or overthrown anymore forever."

This has already come to pass too!

But I think one of the biggest and most ironic proofs that the New Covenant is far from complete..
is the fact that we are 'arguing about the Torah of God'....
the very same Torah that is "supposedly" already written on the hearts of all who partake in the New Covenant.

Do they honestly believe true covenant partakers in the New Covenant would be arguing about the very Law that is written on their hearts, LET ALONE dismiss it!??

"I am part of the New Covenant but, the Law of God that is written on my heart has been abolished!"
or
"I believe the New Covenant is complete, but the Law of God that is written on our hearts, is no longer valid!"

Neither!

I am in the New Covenant and The Law is written on my heart because I have a Divine Nature that teaches me all things.

I don't have to have someone teach me the old covenant law, the anointing I have teaches me all things.

By nature, not written old testament Law, I do the things the please God!

I hope this clears up your confusion of the New Covenant!


JLB

 

[JLB777]

If you can't understand this, it's because you do not have a heart of flesh, but of stone!

 

[tzadik]

If you can't understand this, it's because you do not have a heart of flesh, but of stone!

Let's remain calm and only talk Scriptures...
Trust me, i used to be on your side arguing the same things you are arguing to people like me...

Heart of flesh you say?
Let's see what God's Word has to say about "hearts of flesh"...


25. "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
26. "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.
28. "You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be My people, and I will be your God." ~~Ezekiel 36:25-28

No matter where you look in Scriptures, the writing on the wall doesn't change.

In the New Covenant, God's people will walk according to His Ways!
What are His Ways? Walking according to His Statutes, His Instructions and His Commandments.

Whether you like it or not...
Isaiah 2 tells us that ---
"And many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways and that we may walk in His paths." For the law will go forth from Zion and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

All of God's people, the true saints will walk according to HIS TORAH!

Rev 14:12
"Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus."

Do you keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Messiah?

 

[ananda]

That is not correct. The Greek word "kainos" means new: in the sense of form it means recently made, fresh, recent, unused, unworn, and in the sense of substance it means of a new kind, unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of.

kainos denotes the new primarily in reference to quality, the fresh, unworn. neos denotes the new primarily in reference to time, the young, recent. kainos is unused, but existed in the past. neos means brand new.

For example: "And laid it in his own καινῷ tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed." Mt 27:60 The tomb was new in the sense that it was unused. It was not created then and there - it had been created in the past, unused up to that point.

You are of course free to accept any interpretation of the text that you feel will accommodate your views, but you should at least be aware that this interpretation, that the blood of the New Covenant does not provide "remission" in the sense of forgiveness of sin, undermines your earlier statement in note #261 wherein you stated: "We sin in our daily lives, and we receive Messiah's atonement when we repent of that sin." Are you now going to argue that atonement does not remit sin?

Of course not. Atonement is for the remission of sin, but Messiah as the Passover, is not for the atonement for sin. Messiah as the future fulfillment of Yom Kippur, is for the atonement for sin. You appear to be confusing the significance of two separate moedim - Passover & Yom Kippur.

But also, your understanding of the Passover is drastically different than mine. I don't recall people "leaving the world" and "entering the doors" of Jewish homes where the blood was applied in order to escape "the ways of the sinful world." That is a strange doctrine to my way of thinking. The way I understand Passover is that the Jewish people applied the blood to their doors so the death angel would pass them over and not slay their firstborn.

Messiah died on the exact day of Passover: He fulfilled Passover. However, Passover is not for the remission of sins.

 

[ananda]

Originally Posted by netzarim

אך בעשור לחדש השביעי הזה יום הכפרים הוא מקרא־קדש יהיה לכם ועניתם את־נפשתיכם והקרבתם אשה ליהוה׃ - Lev 23:27

There it is in black and white. Yom Kippur.

Are you calling this verse a "doctrine of man"?
​

The word Yom Kippur does not appear in the scriptures! Doctrine of Man!

Wow ... outright denial of the Scriptures which I quoted clearly. I don't see the point in any further discussion now.

 

[ananda]

In the New Covenant, God's people will walk according to His Ways! What are His Ways? Walking according to His Statutes, His Instructions and His Commandments. All of God's people, the true saints will walk according to HIS TORAH! Rev 14:12 "Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus." Do you keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Messiah?

Amein!

 

[Pilgrimer]

I follow the Law Giver, and the Law. "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." - 1Jn 2:6. How did Messiah walk? According to the Law, and perfectly. Do you disagree?

No, you don't follow the Law, nor do you follow the way Jesus followed the Law.

Jesus went to Jerusalem at Passover and sacrificed a lamb and sat down and ate it's flesh ... do you?

Jesus stood in the Court of Prayer and watched the smoke of the sacrifices rising from the altar, listened to the priests offering up prayers, watched the lambs and bulls and goats and doves being sacrificed and their blood being sprinkled and their flesh being burned on the altar, can you? Can you follow Jesus on pilgrimage up to the city to bring the firstfruits of your harvest, and your temple tax, and your thank- and freewill-offerings? Can you stand with Jesus before the door of the Lord's House and watch the High Priest draw the lots for the two goats? Can you watch with Jesus as the goat for Jehovah is sacrificed and the High Priest disappears into the Sanctuary, a cord tied around his waist, to pass beyond that veil and sprinkle it's blood to make atonement for sin?

You can't truly follow the law, and you can not truly follow in the steps of Jesus when he was following the Law, and the reason is obviously because God brought all those thigns to an end, God removed everything that He had provided for the Law's observance. Don't you think that maybe there is a reason for that?

You are apparently differentiating between Torah Law, and Messiah's Law. I don't see a difference ... What Messiah did was that He expounded the full, perfect meaning of Torah, the original intent of YHWH from the very beginning. We just didn't understand it.

The differentiation I am trying to make is between what God commanded the nation of Israel to do under the Old Covenant, and what God commands us to do under the New Covenant. You know, the commandments of the Law are not the only "commandments" God has ever or will ever utter.

Do you think the only "commandments" Jesus obeyed were what was written the Law?

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

Jesus "knew" God, he spoke with the Father, and the Father spoke to him, that's why Jesus prayed so much. And everything Jesus did and said was what he was given by God to do and say. Jesus obeyed the law of Moses, but he wasn't perfect, an acceptable lamb, because he obeyed the Law. He was perfect, a lamb without spot or blemish, because he was obedient to what God told him to do.

And that's what we have available to us. We can now "know" God, and we can come to Him in prayer, and ask Him whatever we will, and we know He will hear our prayers, and He will answer, and He will tell us what to say and what to do.

We're not limited as Israel of old was to seeking God's favor through walking in obedience to commandments written in stone. We can now ask God what he would have us to do to please him, and then do it.

But if you brush under the proverbial rug all those teachings in the New Testament about the necessity of spiritual regeneration, the new birth, being baptized, immersed in God's Spirit, then there is no way you can know God, let alone hear His voice and obey Him.

The New Covenant doesn't renew the Old Covenant, the New Covenant renews us. WE need renewal, restoration, spiritual regeneration so we can know this God who is spirit.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[Pilgrimer]

The fact that this FORUM exists, (aka people trying to teach one another about the Lord) is enough proof that verse 34 of Jeremiah 31 has NOT YET COME TO PASS!!

The verse does not say we will not teach each other "about" the Lord, it says we will not have to teach each other to "know the Lord."

The only people those of us who are in Christ have to teach to "know the Lord" are those who don't know him.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

P.S. Yelling (all caps) does not make your words true.

 

[Pilgrimer]

Let me get this straight...
What you are saying that when God gave His Torah to His people, it was to be a standard of OUTWARD RIGHTEOUSNESS alone?

So you believe that God gave His people His Instructions, so that they can be outwardly obedient, but not necessarily inwardly obedient and spiritually changed?

It's as if you regard the HOLY LAW OF GOD as a simple document, or scroll, or slab of rock~

and not the SPIRITUAL, HOLY and LIVING WORD OF GOD!

(correct me if I'm wrong)

You are wrong. The Law of God is perfect, but it could not make men perfect. If it could have, then there would have been no need of another covenant, and Jesus died in vain.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[tzadik]

You are wrong. The Law of God if perfect, but it could not make men perfect. If it could have, then there would have been no need of another covenant, and Jesus died in vain.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

The Law was NEVER given to make ANY man perfect!

Goodness me!
I guess knowing the streets of Israel and knowing the Torah of God are two COMPLETELY different things!

 

[Pilgrimer]

Atonement is for the remission of sin, but Messiah as the Passover, is not for the atonement for sin. Messiah as the future fulfillment of Yom Kippur, is for the atonement for sin. You appear to be confusing the significance of two separate moedim - Passover & Yom Kippur.

Messiah died on the exact day of Passover: He fulfilled Passover. However, Passover is not for the remission of sins.

I'm not confusing the two feasts, I am simply pointing out that Jesus does not have to shed his blood twice to fulfill both feasts.

His death on Calvary when he shed his blood fulfilled the Passover, in terms of providing the sign of the blood upon the believers so they will be saved in the day of judgment, but his death on Calvary when he shed his blood also fulfilled the Day of Atonement, in terms of providing a covering for, or remission of, sin.

In fact, and this still continues to put me in awe of God's Plan of Salvation, that one sacrifice that Jesus made fulfilled every sacrifice and every offering that was required by the Law, all burnt-offerings, every sin offering, every guilt-offering, every meal and tribute-offering, every peace-, thank-, vow-, and even freewill offerings. Every sacrifice and every offering that was commanded under the Law, both those offered for sin, but also those offered in fellowship, all were fulfilled by the sacrifice of that one, perfect, Lamb of God.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[Pilgrimer]

The Law was NEVER given to make ANY man perfect!

Correct. The Law was given to bring us to Jesus, and it is Jesus who makes us perfect.

Goodness me!
I guess knowing the streets of Israel and knowing the Torah of God are two COMPLETELY different things!

Considering that the "streets of Israel" is where the Law was observed, and where Jesus walked, I would say it's helpful.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[ananda]

No, you don't follow the Law, nor do you follow the way Jesus followed the Law.

I follow the Law to the best of my ability and understanding. Any provision of the Law which I cannot follow (e.g. due to the fact that the Temple is not in existence, etc.), I wait for the Father to restore those conditions so that I can obey.

Messiah gave up His life to save His willfully obedient (but still imperfect) wife. He will not save those who are purposefully disobedient (Mt 7:21-23) to His commandments. And, yes, all of the Father's commandments are also Messiah's commandments and vice versa (Deu 18:18, Jn 12:49,50; Jn 15:15). What would a husband think of his wife if she said to him, "I'm not going to keep any of your rules in our house, because it's impossible to keep them all perfectly to your standards, and they're burdensome"? Or if she says to him, "Oh, I don't believe the rules you laid out applies to me, husband. So, I'll just do whatever I want, and set my own standards and ignore yours." Or a child who says to their father, "Forget your rules; there's no way I can keep them all, so I'm going to ignore them completely."

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mt 7:21
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1Jo 2:4).
​

Would the husband prefer it if the wife said instead: "I love you and I am going to try to show you that love by obeying you to the best of my ability. I already know I won't be able to keep them perfectly, so in the areas which I unintentionally fail, I fall upon your mercy and forgiveness."

Which wife will Messiah, the Husband, say the following to? "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (ἀνομίαν, contempt/violation of the Law)" (Mt 7:23). "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Mt 7:20

You never answered my earlier question: the Apostle John wrote that "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." - 1Jn 2:6. How did Messiah walk? According to John, are we to walk as Messiah walked?

 

[Pilgrimer]

I follow the Law to the best of my ability and understanding. Any provision of the Law which I cannot follow (e.g. due to the fact that the Temple is not in existence, etc.), I wait for the Father to restore those conditions so that I can obey.

No offense Netzarim, but I think that's just sad. That you are trying to obey God to the best of your ability with what little is left of the Law. And you think that is all Jesus' death has accomplished for you?

I'm curious though, do you really travel to Jerusalem for Passover and Pentecost and Tabernacles? With modern air travel it is certainly within your ability. If you're in the states, Tel Aviv is less than 20 hours away, and the cost is certainly affordable. You know, the feasts are still observed in Jerusalem. True, there are no priests to receive your sacrifices and offerings, or your tithes and taxes, or your firstfruits and gifts, but you can always donate them to the needy, or give them to the temple restoration fund. The Law commands the second tithe be spent in Jerusalem anyway. Do you really follow the Law to the best of your ability?

You have set before you a table that is filled with everything you need that pertains to righteousness, a means by which you can fulfill every shadow of the Law.

There's a New Jerusalem. And the only thing you need to go up the New Jerusalem to keep the feasts or simply to worship the Father ... is the blood of Jesus to open the way, and the Spirit of God to lift you up.

Messiah gave up His life to save His willfully obedient (but still imperfect) wife. He will not save those who are purposefully disobedient (Mt 7:21-23) to His commandments. And, yes, all of the Father's commandments are also Messiah's commandments and vice versa (Deu 18:18, Jn 12:49,50; Jn 15:15).

What would a husband think of his wife if she said to him, "I'm not going to keep any of your rules in our house, because it's impossible to keep them all perfectly to your standards, and they're burdensome"? Or if she says to him, "Oh, I don't believe the rules you laid out applies to me, husband. So, I'll just do whatever I want, and set my own standards and ignore yours." Or a child who says to their father, "Forget your rules; there's no way I can keep them all, so I'm going to ignore them completely."

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mt 7:21
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1Jo 2:4).

​

Would the husband prefer it if the wife said instead: "I love you and I am going to try to show you that love by obeying you to the best of my ability. I already know I won't be able to keep them perfectly, so in the areas which I unintentionally fail, I fall upon your mercy and forgiveness."

Which wife will Messiah, the Husband, say the following to? "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (ἀνομίαν, contempt/violation of the Law)" (Mt 7:23). "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Mt 7:20

Oy vey, again with the wife analogies!

How about this one?

Old Covenant: The Master dwells in a distant land and sends a letter written in his own hand to his wife in which he instructs her on what he would have her do, day by day.

New Covenant: The Master comes home and now dwells in the house with his wife and she can freely enter his chamber and speak with him face to face, and walk with him in the garden, and sit with him at His table, and receive from his own mouth instructions on what he would have her do, day by day, moment by moment.

But she has covered her eyes, and stopped her ears, and refuses to come to him and speak with him face to face and hear his instructions for her, because she doesn't believe his servants who tell her that her Husband has come, and is calling for her.

But no, she walks through her days and nights striving to obey her beloved to the best of her ability following the last few instructions of a letter of which only fragments remain.

How sad.

You never answered my earlier question: the Apostle John wrote that "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." - 1Jn 2:6. How did Messiah walk? According to John, are we to walk as Messiah walked?

Jesus walked with God.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[ananda]

I'm curious though, do you really travel to Jerusalem for Passover and Pentecost and Tabernacles? ... The Law commands the second tithe be spent in Jerusalem anyway. Do you really follow the Law to the best of your ability?

The Law commands men to go to Jerusalem to appear before Him and His Presence ... The Law commands the tithe you mentioned, not exactly to be spent in Jerusalem, but before Him and His Presence, where He decided to place His Name (Shem). His Shem dwelled between the cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant (2 Sam 6:2). We neither have the Temple, nor the Ark of His Presence today, so these particular laws cannot be properly fulfilled. If the Temple, the Ark, and His Presence was in Jerusalem today, I would indeed be planning living arrangements near Jerusalem.

But she ... refuses to come to him and speak with him face to face and hear his instructions for her, because she doesn't believe his servants who tell her that her Husband has come, and is calling for her. But no, she walks through her days and nights striving to obey her beloved to the best of her ability following the last few instructions of a letter of which only fragments remain.

If her husband comes contradicting what he and his father has said before, then it is not her true husband. Everything new the husband says must agree with what came before.

Originally Posted by netzarim

You never answered my earlier question: the Apostle John wrote that "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." - 1Jn 2:6. How did Messiah walk? According to John, are we to walk as Messiah walked?
​

Jesus walked with God.

And how did Yehoshua walk with His Father?

 

[Pilgrimer]

The Law commands men to go to Jerusalem to appear before Him and His Presence ... The Law commands the tithe you mentioned, not exactly to be spent in Jerusalem, but before Him and His Presence, where He decided to place His Name (Shem). His Shem dwelled between the cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant (2 Sam 6:2). We neither have the Temple, nor the Ark of His Presence today, so these particular laws cannot be properly fulfilled. If the Temple, the Ark, and His Presence was in Jerusalem today, I would indeed be planning living arrangements near Jerusalem.

First let me say there are many among both Christians and Jews who would vigorously disagree with you about whether or not God is present in Jerusalem. I understand your intent, but we must choose our words carefully.

But I disagree with you about where it is that the Lord placed His name. He did not place His name between the cherubim of the ark. He placed His name in Jerusalem.

"And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks ..." (Deuteronomy 14:23)

Clearly the people did not eat their portion of the tithes between the cherubim of the ark.

"Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the Lord thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the Lord shall choose to place his name there." (Deuteronomy 16:2)

Again, the Passover was not sacrificed between the cherubim of the ark.

"And thou shalt rejoice before the Lord thy God, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates, and the strangers, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are among you, in the place which the Lord thy God hath chosen to place his name there." (Deuteronomy 16:11)

The people didn't rejoice between the cherubim of the ark.

But finally this word: "And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant, may have a light always before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen to put my name there." (1 Kings 11:36)

And too, the "ark of his presence" was not in the Holiest during the 2nd temple, but Jesus still went up to Jerusalem for the feasts.

But details aside, just because the Lord does not dwell in a temple in Jeruasalem does not mean you cannot obey the commandment to go to Jerusalem, and bring your tithes and eat it in Jerusalem as commanded in Deuteronomy 14:22-29.

If her husband comes contradicting what he and his father has said before, then it is not her true husband. Everything new the husband says must agree with what came before.

What do you see as contradictions?

And how did Yehoshua walk with His Father?

He was led by the Spirit. (Matthew 4:1, Luke 4:14)

He did works by the Spirit (Matthew 12:28)

He knew men's thoughts by the Spirit (Mark 2:8)

He preached by the Spirit (Luke 4:18)

In addition to the verses I mentioned where Jesus spoke of having been given a commandment by the Father of what to do and what to say.

You know, the Law is not really God's perfect will. When Jesus taught on the subject of marriage and cautioned that what God had joined together man should not put asunder, he was asked why then did Moses command to give a writing of divorcement and to put away a wife? And what was his response?

"Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so." (Matthew 19:4-8)

That's not to say that there was anything sinful about divorce, it was allowed by Moses, but that is to say that it was not what God intended the marriage union to be. So there were some accommodations made in the Law for men's weaknesses.

I know that may be anathema to those who hold the Law above all else (even it seems above the Gospel?), but the Law was never intended to be the final word of God on obedience and righteousness ... Jesus is.

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unot you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not." (John 6:63)

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[Frogster]

I don't think you're understanding what Netz is saying here.

It's a pretty simple concept.
Jeremiah 31:34 says: "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

Do you believe this is the case in the world we live in today?
Here I'll answer for you...OF COURSE NOT!

The fact that this FORUM exists, (aka people trying to teach one another about the Lord) is enough proof that verse 34 of Jeremiah 31 has NOT YET COME TO PASS!!

No need to try and explain it away with a string of words.
It's not here yet.

It will come.
In those days. But not yet.
The End.

however, the Corinthians were partaking of the new cov in 1 Cor 11, Paul was a minister of the new cov already in 2 Cor 3-4. Jesus told THEM...do this..do this....new cov bro...

hebrews said they came to..to...all of the to words have to jive, since they came to the other to things, they came to the new cov...to....to..

follow the to word.....did they already come TO the other things listed?.


heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly[a] of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.