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Maybe, "three nights and three days" ?

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We agree on many things but disagree on the timeline. That weekly Shabbat was also a feast day, the 15th. The "last supper" was a Pesakh Seudah HaMephsekhet...literally, the last meal before the fast of the firstborn (the fast was from sunrise to sunset on the 14th). The death of Yeshua could not have happened on a Wednesday because we have witnesses on the road to Emmaus that say Sunday was the 3rd day since those events occurred. So if Sunday was the 3rd Day, Shabbat was the 2nd day and Friday (the day of preparation) was the day those events occurred. Sunday was Yom HaBikkurim, the 16th. Josephus documents this:

"But on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them” (Antiquities of the Jews 3.10.15)
 
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Wednesday 14th Passover, Yeshua was put in grave just before sunset

Three days in the grave
1.)Thursday 15th High Holy Day/First Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread/ Sabbath
2.)Friday Preparation Day
3.)Saturday Weekly Sabbath
First Fruits/Wave Sheaf/ Resurrected after Sabbath
 
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So you are not counting the daylight hrs on Wednesday. Again, IMO, that is impossible for the many reasons I posted. Also, how do you get around the fact that the 16th was first fruits, your 16th would have been on Friday, yet you claim first fruits was on the 18th.
 
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I don't do 16th as First Fruits, First fruits comes after the Sabbath.
Leviticus 23:10 Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest, and he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, so that you may be accepted. On the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to the Lord. And the grain offering with it shall be two tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, a food offering to the Lord with a pleasing aroma, and the drink offering with it shall be of wine, a fourth of a hin. And you shall eat neither bread nor grain parched or fresh until this same day, until you have brought the offering of your God: it is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
 
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One school of thought is that Firstfruits is always on Aviv 16, the morrow after the first “Sabbath” of Unleavened Bread. The other school of thought is that Firstfruits is always on the first day of the week, the morrow after the first seventh-day Sabbath following the first Day of Unleavened Bread.

With Yeshua fulfilling the spring feasts, it fits better to have the crucification on 30AD and the "after sabbath" command of first fruits to be the Weekly Sabbath, thus it also covers how the women can prepare the spices before the Sabbath and buy the spices after the Sabbath. By the way, the first and last day of Unleavened Bread is never call a Sabbath, but rather a holy convocation.
 
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I understand that and that you disagree with Josephus. However, as I have said, there are other problems with the Wednesday crucifixion scenario...
 
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In this case, in my timeline, they BOTH fit Yom HaBikkurim was the day after the weekly Sabbath (the Sabbath on the 15th) AND on the 16th (1st day of the week)
 
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"Joseph of Arimathea was the brother to the father of Yeshua’ mother, Miriam, and the great uncle to Yeshua HaMaschiach (Yeshua the Messiah)."

Proof for this, please.
 
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None of these arguments matter until there is a satisfactory answer to Mark 14:12 and Luke 22:7-8.

Mark 14:12 — And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

Luke 22:7-8 — Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.

Until someone can demonstrate otherwise, these indicate in plain language that Jesus ate the last supper following the afternoon of the 14th, which means he died on the 15th.

If he died on the 15th, then the day after the crucifixion was the 16th, and not the holy convocation. It was just the regular weekly sabbath. Although, with the weekly sabbath being the 16th, that sabbath was a high day, because the counting of the omer began on the 16th in the first century, per Josephus, Philo, and the Talmud.

These long-winded arguments you're putting out mean nothing until you can first prove that Mark 14:12 and Luke 22:7-8 aren't saying that it was the first day of unleavened bread and the day that the passover was killed. As long as they say that, the crucifixion was on the 15th, and Friday is the only day that meets the requirements.
 
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That WEEKLY Sabbath was ALSO a "high day"...the 15th
Of all of the holy days, the term 7676 Sabbath, standing alone, is applied only to the seventh day of the week. You will see the term “Sabbath of rest”, which is Sabbath (7676) of rest (7677 sabbaton), applied to the fall holy days and the Sabbatical years, but never is this term applied to Unleavened Bread. As such, there is no hint in Scripture to lead us to the conclusion that the word Sabbath (7676) is meant to refer to the first day of Unleavened Bread for purposes of timing Firstfruits and Shavuot. The only precedence would be to interpret it to mean the seventh day Sabbath that falls within the festival week.
 
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Messing with First Fruits messes with the counting of the Omer and the end result changes the timing of Pentecost. If Pentecost is always the 6th day of the third month by interpreting the term Sabbath (7676) as referring to any set of seven days (one week), so it could be the seven days from a Monday through Sunday, Wednesday through Tuesday, etc. Nowhere else in Scripture does 7676 mean “weeks”. In fact, Hebrew has a word that does mean any seven consecutive days, Strong’s 7620, shauvot. But that is not the term employed in Leviticus 23:16. We are not told to count seven weeks, but rather seven rests (Sabbaths). Had God intended us to count weeks that could begin on any day, rather than Seventh-day Sabbaths, would not He have specified it as such? Messing with the timing of the feasts changes everything, just to get a friday killing, is not a good plan.
 
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I believe the best Biblical interpretation is to calculate Firstfruits as the Sunday (morrow) after the Sabbath (Saturday) that occurs during the week of Unleavened Bread, and that Pentecost is the Sunday (morrow) after the seventh Sabbath (Saturday) thereafter.
 
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I never said that. What I am saying is THAT weekly Sabbath was ALSO the 15th.
 
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1) We are told to count the weeks rather than the sabbaths in Deuteronomy.

2) As I said, put aside modern methods. In the first century, per Josephus (a Pharisee), and Philo (a Pharisee), and corroborated by the Talmud, and later Maimonides, the counting of the omer began on the second day of unleavened bread, or the 16th. It doesn't matter how you or anyone else interprets it, how you think the Bible spells it out, etc. As it concerns chronology, the only thing that matters is how they did it in the first century, and in the first century they counted from the 16th, not the first Sunday after passover.

3) The decision of the religious leaders of that time had concluded that the first day of unleavened bread was a sabbath. That's part of the reason for the dispute between the sects that led to the 16th starting point.
 
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Ok.. Just for sake of continuity with the historical position on this matter, then how did "Christianity" nailed the resurrection [First Fruits] to Sunday hence forth?
 
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Ok.. Just for sake of continuity with the historical position on this matter, then how did "Christianity" nailed the resurrection [First Fruits] to Sunday hence forth?

because as I have said, Sunday was the 16th
 
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