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May we discuss Adam & Eve?

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Does anyone agree with the story of Adam & Eve as I have interpreted here? What is the Judaic & Christian points of view. Can anyone add to what I've given. There are common stories between the three monotheistic religions and good to see how they compare.

Please not I have contacted Bevlina's (forum administrator) permission before posting this thread. I hope that no one will be offended by anything written here. Happy to compare notes on the subject matter.

When God creates Adam (peace be upon him) the first homo-sapien man, he asks the angels and Iblis (who resides among the angels and is a Jinn), to bow down to Adam (peace be upon him). The reason for this was to show the angels that man was superior to them by virtue of the knowledge that he was given by God. The angels obey, whilst Iblis is proud and disobeys.

30. Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood? - whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."
31. And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the names of these if ye are right."
32. They said: "Glory to Thee, of knowledge We have none, save what Thou Hast taught us: In truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."
33. He said: "O Adam! Tell them their names." When he had told them, God said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"
34. And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever.
Qur’an - Surah al-Baqara (The Heifer) 2:30-4

Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord.
Qur’an - Surah al-Kahf (The Cave) 18:50

God asks Iblis why he did not bow down to Adam. Iblis replies that he is better than man. God banishes Iblis. Before Iblis leaves, he asks God’s permission to tempt Adam (peace be upon him) and his descendants to the wrong path. God gives him this ability, buts also mentions that those people who obey Him and worship Him will not be tempted by him, whilst those people who do not obey and worship Him, will.

Henceforth, Iblis becomes Satan (in Arabic Shaytaan). See also verses 2:30-6 and 2:115-9.

12. (God) said: "What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?" He (Satan) said: "I am better than he (Adam): Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay."
13. (God) said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."
14. He said: Reprieve me till the day when they are raised (from the dead).
15. He said: Lo! Thou art of those reprieved.
16. He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way:
17. "Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies)."
18. (God) said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee, - Hell will I fill with you all.
Qur’an - Surah al-A`raaf (The Heights) 7:12-18 See also 38:74-85, 16:98-100.

God test’s Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) by telling them not to eat the fruit from a particular tree in the Garden of Aden (Eden) in heaven. God also warns them not to listen to the whispers of Satan, as he is an avowed enemy of man.

1. Say (O Muhammad, to mankind): I seek refuge in the Lord of mankind,
2. The King of mankind,
3. The God of mankind,
4. From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper), -
5. Who whispereth in the hearts of mankind,
6. Among Jinns and among men.
Qur’an - Surah an-Naas (Mankind) 114:1-6

Thus have We appointed unto every prophet an adversary - devils of humankind and jinn who inspire in one another plausible discourse through guile. If thy Lord willed, they would not do so; so leave them alone with their devising;
Qur’an - Surah al-An`aam (The Cattle) 6:112

Satan whispers to Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) and tells them that if they eat from the tree they will become like angels (i.e. they will always be able to obey and worship God) and will live forever. These were false promises, which he had no power to fulfil. Only God has the power to do these and other things. Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) disobey God and are tempted by Satan and eat the forbidden fruit. God reprimands Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) for their disobedience. See also Qur’anic verses 2:30-6 and 2:120-23.

19. "O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish: but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
20. Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said: "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever."
21. And he swore to them both, that he was their sincere adviser.
22. So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"
23. They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged our own souls: If thou forgive us not and bestow not upon us Thy Mercy, we shall certainly be lost."
24. (God) said: "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood, - for a time."
25. He said: "Therein shall ye live, and therein shall ye die; but from it shall ye be taken out (at last)."
26. O ye Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover your shame, as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness, - that is the best. Such are among the Signs of God, that they may receive admonition!
27. O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame: for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them: We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith.
Qur’an - Surah al-A`raaf (The Heights) 7:19-27

Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) ask God for forgiveness which is duly granted.

37. Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
38. We said: “Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there come to you guidance from Me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
Qur’an - Surah al-Baqara (The Heifer) 2:37-38

God decides to place Adam and Eve (peace be upon them), on earth separately. They both eventually arrive at the Mountain of Mercy (Jabal ar-Rahma) in the Plains of Arafat, approximately 12 miles from Makkah, in Arabia. Both continue in their act of forgiveness from God for their disobedience in the Garden of Aden.
 

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In fact Jews, Christians & Muslims believe in the unique creation of Adam & Eve. This comprises of over 40% of the world population. Not bad.

I don't know what the Judaic meaning of Adam is but in Islam Adam literally means 'from the earth'. Adam was created using a combination of earth and water by God. The Arabic name for Eve, for those who are interested, is Huwwa. Not sure what the meaning of the name is. Can anyone shed any light? Would also be interested in the Judo-Christian meanings of these names.
 
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Islam said:
Not sure what the meaning of the name is. Can anyone shed any light? Would also be interested in the Judo-Christian meanings of these names.

I think (you can hear the hinges creak as I recall back to high school) "Adam"
means "man" in Hebrew.

Dictionary.com supports that, and lists Eve and the Latinization (Eva, Heva) of the Hebrew "Hawwa", from ""Haya" meaning "to live."

As far as the mythos goes, I don't follow it, but hey, not my religion.;)
 
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Height of Adam: 27 meters or 90 feet or a nine story building

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 543: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall.
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When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.


conversion -- 1cubit = .45 meters = 1.5 feet (Approximately) source


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farside said:
People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.

That seems completely opposite to the archaeological record. It actually looks like the average human height has increased over the past thousands (or millions) of years. But then again in studying Islam I've never found ahadith completely reliable.

Peace.
 
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Canadian75 said:
That seems completely opposite to the archaeological record. It actually looks like the average human height has increased over the past thousands (or millions) of years. But then again in studying Islam I've never found ahadith completely reliable.

Peace.

You are making me think.

How long does it take for bones to dissolve?
 
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Bookofknowledge said:
You are making me think.

How long does it take for bones to dissolve?

Depending on the conditions it could take a short amount of time to thousands of years. Then there is fossilization of bones which is all we have left of the dinosaurs.
 
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Bookofknowledge said:
How tall is the tallest living human on earth today?

From Guinness World Records:

The tallest man known to medical history was Robert Wadlow, who was 8 feet, 11 inches at the time of his death in 1940.

Radhouane Charbib of Tunisia was measured at 7 feet 9 inches in 1999.

Sandy Allan of Indiana is 7' 7", but is confined to a wheelchair due to health issues.

According to the NBA website, Yao Ming is 7' 6", while Shaquille O'Neal is 7' 1"

 
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Canadian75 said:
Depending on the conditions it could take a short amount of time to thousands of years. Then there is fossilization of bones which is all we have left of the dinosaurs.

Just saying thousands is not enough. give me atleast an estimated amount of time like 1000, 2000, 3000 years etc...

Me asking all this does not mean I accept or deny the ahadith posted by farside. If it is an authentic ahadith then I believe and there is no second opinion with regards to the height of Adam (AS) reported in that ahadith.
 
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Bookofknowledge said:
Just saying thousands is not enough. give me atleast an estimated amount of time like 1000, 2000, 3000 years etc...

It depends on environmental conditions that the bones are left in. In a coffin, the skeleton doesn't really become brittle for about 40 years or so, whereas a body dumped in a peat bog is gone a lot sooner. A skeleton placed in neutral acidity soil might last a few centuries.
 
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Fuzzy said:
It depends on environmental conditions that the bones are left in. In a coffin, the skeleton doesn't really become brittle for about 40 years or so, whereas a body dumped in a peat bog is gone a lot sooner. A skeleton placed in neutral acidity soil might last a few centuries.

I do not think they had coffin during the time of adam. Now the place where Adam (AS) lived his life was? and what is the condition of that soil and what was the expected condition of that soil during the time of Adam (AS)?

Few centuries? (give me example like 1, 2, 3 etc)
 
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Bevlina said:
Can anyone tell me if any enormous fossilised trees have been found?

Petrified Forest dot Org lists "The Monarch" at 100 feet long, 6 feet in diameter,
"The Giant" at 60 feet long (but may have been much longer, since what's left of it is at least 3 feet in diameter), and "The Queen," 65 feet long, 8 foot diameter, and may have been taller, since what's left is incomplete. These are all redwoods, and there are living examples of the same species in California that are 350 feet tall.
 
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Bookofknowledge said:
Few centuries? (give me example like 1, 2, 3 etc)

Two to three centuries is pretty reasonable.

As far as what Adam's soil was like, that depends on where Adam lived, doesn't it? And what sort of funeral rites he was given. Burial in the ground preserves the body a lot better than, say, leaving the body on a cliff exposed to wind and rain.
 
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Fuzzy said:
Two to three centuries is pretty reasonable.

As far as what Adam's soil was like, that depends on where Adam lived, doesn't it? And what sort of funeral rites he was given. Burial in the ground preserves the body a lot better than, say, leaving the body on a cliff exposed to wind and rain.

WOW, It's interesting that you know all this information. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

A body which is buried in the ground will desolve the bone in two to three centuries - how long does it take when one can't find a single trace of body? does hair takes longer then bones?

I wish I knew the answer to what you are asking but I don't know there was any tradition other then burial of the body in ground.

there are various narrations on the topic of where his grave is located and one of those narration is that it is near Mount Abu Qubais (Arab Land)

If the body is left exposed to wind and rain is it enough for bones to start dessolving or desslove in 1000 years?
 
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