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Indeed - and in both sides there has been corruption as well as ignorance of how to deal with issues...as mentioned before:
Gxg (G²);65134917 said:[*]
Why Much Of What You've Read About Ukraine Isn't Quite Right, As Explained By Ukrainians | ThinkProgress
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What The Russian (And Chinese) Papers Are Saying About Ukraine | Zero Hedge
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Ukraine: Follow The Energy | Zero Hedge
[*]Why Bankers Want Control of Ukraine | Zero Hedge
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I tend to be skeptical whenever the U.S comes in claiming that another country doesn't have the right to invade another despite the history of expansionism and Imperialism of the U.S (done in the name of "liberating" other countries - even when they didn't ask for it - or trying to police other countries we don't want as a threat to us) - and using conflict as a pretext to do war-games. And with the Ukraine situation, I can't help but look at who tends to profit at the end of the day with the conflict - as well as seeing how much of it has been engineered and how much people in the Ukraine (as well as other places like Iraq or Vietnam and other places) are left out..
But I am thankful others aren't automatically of the mindset that Putin is supposedly an aggressor whille the U.S is the "savior" for standing up to him when it's really not our affair.
As said in one of the articles:
President Putin told reporters that the damage to all countries involved is mutual:So on one hand, the Chinese are essentially making the West out to be the belligerents, the Russians to be defending their interests, and the Chinese as the strong diplomats who are pushing for peace.
We can cause damage to each other mutual damage. And this needs to be thought about. . . We believe our actions are fully justified. And any threats to Russia are counterproductive and harmful.
Mr. Putin added that Russia is still preparing for upcoming G8 meeting.
If [the other countries] do not want to come, they dont have to, he told reporters .
The Russian President also expressed the opinion that the U.S. has historically created its own geopolitical goals, and then dragging along the rest of the world underneath them:
Our partners, especially in the U.S. they always clearly formulate their geopolitical interests and pursue them very aggressively. Guided by the well-known phrase, you are either with us or against us, they drag the rest of the world along, underneath them. And whoever doesnt go along is beaten and usually killed, the President told reporters.
He emphasized that Russias actions come from legitimate grounds.
And on the other hand, the Russian papers are highlighting the utter hypocrisy of US foreign policy its OK for America to invade whatever country it likes, but not for Russia to defend its own interests.
Average:__________________We all know about the important military consequences of controlling Ukraine to the US and Russia, but an equally important and overlooked topic is why bankers want control of Ukraines monetary supply and ultimately control of Ukraine through controlling its debt (the proposed $1 billion loan from the IMF). All major Western military invasions in the past several years Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and attempts in Syria involved countries in which the Bank for International Settlements had not yet gained control of the monetary supply at the time of these invasions.
The international banking cartels represented by the World Bank, the IMF and the Bank for International Settlements are unhappy with their low level of influence in controlling the debt of emerging economic powers like China and Russia and know that they very well cant directly declare war on Russia and China to effect regime change in order to obtain control of their debt as they accomplished with the aforementioned much smaller countries that didn't have the military strength to withstand a US/EU/banking led invasion. However, these global banking cartels know that they can gain influence through regime change without direct military intervention in the 15 newly independent states of the former USSR a la John Perkin's Confessions of an Economic Hit Man (or at least this was their first initial thought in Ukraine). Below, JS Kim of SmartKnowledgeU discusses the above neglected topic and the gravity of the growing military escalation in Ukraine at the current time
Why Bankers Want Control of Ukraine - YouTube[/URL]
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...when you see the actual history of the country, it does seem that it is truly a LONG-TERM issue for whoever controls the area since Crimea has long been a strategic and geopolitical prize. Apparently, long under the protection of the Ottoman Empire, the Crimean Khanate ruled the area for more than 300 years until Catherine the Great annexed the peninsula in 1783, part of a broad expansion of the Russian Empire under the Tsarina's reign - and these five maps that follow illustrate how Crimea continued to change hands from the 18th century to the present.
A vassal state of the Ottoman Empire since 1478, Crimea evolved into several political entities after the Russo-Turkish Treaty in 1774.
As a consequence of the Russian Revolution, Crimea changed hands and officially took on several new names over this three-year period.
After the reassertion of Soviet control in late 1920, Crimea became an autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, until the territory was annexed by Nazi Germany in 1941, returning to Russian control in 1945.
During the late Soviet era, Crimea was transferred to Ukraine, with its administrative status being upgraded on the eve of the dissolution of the U.S.S.R.
With the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, Crimea became part of an independent Ukraine. Crimea's communist authorities proclaimed self-government in 1992, which ultimately led to the territory being granted expanded autonomous rights by Kiev.
In light of how often the country dynamics keep shifting and have for various reasons, it seems that it may not end anytime soon - history alone says otherwise.
tell it to citizens of Crimea, esp. now - after Odessa Massacre.
One thing that turns me off is when people try to change the standard conventions of English to produce new politically correct forms of speaking. From Peking to Bombay to Kiev - and yes, even the Ukraine, I'm old enough to remember what the convention has always been and don't need people trying to impose their changes on everybody. If we took a poll on where all of us were thirty years ago, I think we'd find that some of us were still in diapers while others were serving in the military or raising children.
It's "Alma-Ata", people.
Really, "never heard of finbay" (sic!) -- yet you decided to make these claims
But guess what??? Thats precisely what Latvia and Moldova and Finland believe, that invasion is imminent! Precisely because thats what the Americans are whispering in their ears!
in writing.
a) that Finland believe that [Russian] invasion is imminent
b) because that's what the Americans are whispering in their ears!
You obviously know absolutely nothing about the situation in Finland and did not even bother trying to check your claims against, say, English-language Finnish news sources, but felt nevertheless confident to claim that Finland believes Russian invasion is imminent because of what the Americans are whispering in their ears.
Just like that.
You made out an ignorant claim out of thin air, is that it? Relying on nothing at all? Because Finland sounded good and convincing enough from the point of view of the argument you're trying to support here -- unfortunately, without the actual facts?
I wonder, how many similar unsubstantiated claims have you made out of thin air, off the top of your head, to support the argument you want to make never mind the facts?
True, propaganda is rife. Perhaps you're indeed neither the innocent, gullible victim of pro-Russian propaganda nor the active pro-Russian proponent of propaganda, but more like an accidental pro-Russian propagandist simply making out these charged claims off the top of your head out of pure innocent ignorance?
