May Russian Orthodox church split due to Crimea? (moved from main TAW forum)

[Trying_to_be_Orthodox]

So, if Russia decides to "liberate" Eastern Ukraina what's gonna be the verdict here? Justified or not? What about Eastern Estonia and the Russian speaking areas of Latvia?

As minimum, my grandma from East Ukraina will not have something against living under different goverment than actual fascist clowning maidans juhnta. And i suppose, my other relatives from that territory think by same way.

Eastern Estonia, Latvia - Putin and Co dont need it. Moreover, he didnt need so much and ukraine also, just due Usa( and partly of EU) activity he has done what he has done.

 

[Trying_to_be_Orthodox]

@rusmeister

I sure hope they stop - think, will not stop. Juhnta will not stop - east-south will not stop. Which result will be - think, a few semi-autonomies united in kinda country on territory of current Ukraine.

 

[Melethiel]

As minimum, my grandma from East Ukraina will not have something against living under different goverment than actual fascist clowning maidans juhnta. And i suppose, my other relatives from that territory think by same way.

Eastern Estonia, Latvia - Putin and Co dont need it. Moreover, he didnt need so much and ukraine also, just due Usa( and partly of EU) activity he has done what he has done.

The interim government is not fascist. Don't listen to the propaganda.

 

[Trying_to_be_Orthodox]

@Melethiel

Don't listen to the propaganda - i dont listen ukranian fascist zombies.

To all - imho, civil war in Ukraina has begun finally.

Lord, have mercy!

 

[New Legacy]

Thanks to Russia meddling in east Ukraine.

 

[Lukaris]

Personally, I cannot properly analyze the situation. For ex. the original reports of anti semitism blamed Ukranian factions now pro Russian separatists are blamed; are both guilty? If so, is some form of justice to be selectively applied to one group & not another? Who would a mental case like John McCain choose to wage war against ( as if this would not be a forgone conclusion) ?

 

[rusmeister]

Both empires, the American and Russian would-be empires are to blame. If the Americans would pull back and stop trying to establish their own puppet regime in the Ukraine, like they have across the Middle East, then the Russians would lose all excuse for doing what they have been doing.

 

[New Legacy]

America is trying to establish a puppet government? Your evidence of this?

Ukraine is being punished for no longer being a puppet.

 

[Trying_to_be_Orthodox]

America is trying to establish a puppet government? Your evidence of this?

Ukraine is being punished for no longer being a puppet.

You dont know context or just trolling. Without supply of Usa, maidan was impossible. Need proves - can find it in engl, i think, only on some freaks sites. English officials resourses will never post this information.

Ukraine is being punished for no longer being a puppet. - yeah, explain it to relatives of people, which were fried alive by Right Sector&Co yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3BEpOT6_nOU (firing up)

Одесса Дом профсоюзов Внутри Сепаратисты погибшие в пожаре 02 мая 2014 года Трансляция - YouTube (result)

Juhnta gave order to use army against civilians, even Yanukovich didnt do same. Complete losers and idiots. And juhntas very big mistake is using fasicts radicals "Right sector" and installing oligarhs to rule directly on east regions who can pay to radicals.

 

[buzuxi02]

This isn't even about Ukraine anymore. The youth have figured it out, we will see what happens after the rigged elections of kiev. The youth thought they would get free passports to go work in the EU. Instead they got an IMF loan and with the condition that Ukraine doesn't lose anymore territory. So now, these western backed kievan puppets have resorted to conscription. From the hope of working in the EU they now have the fear of going up against Putin's jets. Their EU saviors have already sold them into servitude.

There's a saying that needs to be heeded, perhaps the ukranians found it out already; "Countries have neither friends nor allies, only interests."

 

[Thekla]

Both empires, the American and Russian would-be empires are to blame. If the Americans would pull back and stop trying to establish their own puppet regime in the Ukraine, like they have across the Middle East, then the Russians would lose all excuse for doing what they have been doing.

Yes.

The US stupidly supported what happened in the west ( more aggressive elements occupied buildings, failure to observe the constitution); this allows the same to play out in the east (basically invites it).

 

[Melethiel]

A lot of the separatist terrorists arrested in east Ukraine were found to be Russian citizens. Looks like Russia is trying to stir up trouble. Still haven't seen any evidence of the US trying to set up a puppet government - if anything the US has been a lame duck in all this. America is no longer the top dog, so let's stop blaming it and look to the real aggressor. Ukraine only wants to be free of Russian influence. Why won't Russia let it go? I'm not buying that Putin is such a humanitarian that he's only trying to protect the poor Ukrainians from their so-called fascist leaders. It's Russians that are currently persecuting the Crimean Tatars. Still haven't seen any evidence of persecution by the Ukrainian interim government.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Yes.

The US stupidly supported what happened in the west ( more aggressive elements occupied buildings, failure to observe the constitution); this allows the same to play out in the east (basically invites it).

Ah, yes, the wonderful Ukrainian constitution, which was so cherished and upheld by Yanukovich until his ouster.

Oh, wait, no. Not at all.

 

[tapi]

Indeed, the current crisis is mostly the result of Russian meddling in Ukrainian internal politics. Russia has unleashed a bunch of criminals into Eastern Ukraine and the locals have had enough of them and it's resulting in a very nasty way for the Pro-Moscow crew. I hope further bloodshed could be avoided. This is possible if Russia would end it's interference and transporting troublemakers into Ukraine.

 

[Thekla]

Ah, yes, the wonderful Ukrainian constitution, which was so cherished and upheld by Yanukovich until his ouster.

Oh, wait, no. Not at all.

The point being, the failure to uphold the law and the observation of democracy has opened the door to now exploiting the same method in the east.

And by supporting said lawlessness, the US has both lost any integrity on opposing such ruckus (anywhere) whilst enabling the ruckus in the east.

Neither the US nor Kiev have honor, nor democratic principles, on their side.

 

[Nik0s]

I cannot condone the actions of Russia or the West in this crisis. Both sides need to step back and take it easy and let cooler heads prevail. I cannot support a country (Russia) that threatens me with nuclear annihilation. Nor can I support the actions of my country sticking it's nose into unwanted areas. Lord have mercy on us all.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I cannot condone the actions of Russia or the West in this crisis. Both sides need to step back and take it easy and let cooler heads prevail. I cannot support a country (Russia) that threatens me with nuclear annihilation. Nor can I support the actions of my country sticking it's nose into unwanted areas. Lord have mercy on us all.

amen to that. just another glaring reason why not to put trust in princes, in sons of men.

 

[Nik0s]

After reading the thread, it saddens me to see how many seemingly worship Russia as some bastion of Orthodoxy. The same Soviet leaders are in power, they just changed their clothes. I see Putin using the Church for his own ends, trying to show himself as some sort of patron of Orthodoxy. I'm sorry my friends, but any country that uses it's state run media to threaten to turn other countries into "radioactive piles of ash" is not something worth supporting. Just my 2 cents

 

[buzuxi02]

And who do you think is running ukraine? Afterall some of the finest Soviet leaders were ukranian. Didn't one of their politicians say she would like to kill 8 million russians? So now the ukraine has some incompetent uniate puppet whose bodyguards are all ametican elite mercenaries. Its good to be friends with crazed Mccain and the head of the CIA.

Funny how the russian state run media is more objective than our cnn's and fox's and, msnbc's. So much so that some american politicians want to shut down RT. The propaganda of the supposed free media of the west is so insane that most Westerners have figured it out finally, now their politicians are pooping in their pants.

 

[Nik0s]

And who do you think is running ukraine? Afterall some of the finest Soviet leaders were ukranian. Didn't one of their politicians say she would like to kill 8 million russians? So now the ukraine has some incompetent uniate puppet whose bodyguards are all ametican elite mercenaries. Its good to be friends with crazed Mccain and the head of the CIA.

I don't know what any Ukranian politician said about killing 8 million Russians, nor do I condone it if it's true. Still doesn't make what I said about the Russian gov. Using Orthodoxy for political gain untrue. Do you really think Putin is religious? I look at Russia and I see Putin abusing the Church.

Funny how the russian state run media is more objective than our cnn's and fox's and, msnbc's. So much so that some american politicians want to shut down RT. The propaganda of the supposed free media of the west is so insane that most Westerners have figured it out finally, now their politicians are pooping in their pants.

You've got to be kidding me right? RT makes Fox News look like kindergarten when it comes to "propaganda".