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Suzannah

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I am concerned about the Apostles Creed. Can you shed any light on it?
It's not that I have any real problem with it, per se, but as you can probably tell already, I am somewhat of a purist, and so if it is not considered Orthodox, I dont' wish to make any errors in my thinking.

Thank you both for the book titles! I will check it out at the library and bookstore.

Nicodemus: your post was particularly encouraging and heartening! I don't feel so alone, now that some of you have shared your personal conversions with me. It is somewhat discouraging when you come from a background as mine (Baptist missionary churches in Africa and the Middle East: hence, an Evangelical Protestant teaching) and you have no one to talk to ...right now, my only real friend that I can discuss this with is a Roman Catholic and she has been a treasure in encouraging discussion and helpful with questions.
 
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Suzannah said:
I am concerned about the Apostles Creed. Can you shed any light on it?
It's not that I have any real problem with it, per se, but as you can probably tell already, I am somewhat of a purist, and so if it is not considered Orthodox, I dont' wish to make any errors in my thinking.

Thank you both for the book titles! I will check it out at the library and bookstore.

Nicodemus: your post was particularly encouraging and heartening! I don't feel so alone, now that some of you have shared your personal conversions with me. It is somewhat discouraging when you come from a background as mine (Baptist missionary churches in Africa and the Middle East: hence, an Evangelical Protestant teaching) and you have no one to talk to ...right now, my only real friend that I can discuss this with is a Roman Catholic and she has been a treasure in encouraging discussion and helpful with questions.


Dear Suzannah:

I was a Roman Catholic until just recently when I was chrismated into the Orthodox Church. However, my mother was a staunch Baptist (an ex-Catholic), so I had to search both the Catholic and the Orthodox Church because she was trying desperately to convert me to her protestant church.

Yours in Christ,
Elizabeth
 
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Elizabeth! Oh dear! Send your mother to my house and I will show her my collection of books on early church art, and icons, and early church architecture! I can talk to her like a Baptist and show her in the Bible that it says we are to "adhere" to the teachings "they" have received...this is what is leading me! :)
 
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BTW:

Oblio (Chris) wants to study Common Ground, An Introduction to Eastern Christianity for the American Christian by Jordan Bajis. This book is written especially for protestant converts to Orthodoxy although it has excellent chapters that deal with the Roman Catholic Church.

I highly recommend it. It was published by Light and Life Publishing Company in Minneapolis, Minnesota. A google search will reveal its website.

Hope this helps.
 
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Jeffthefinn! Okay! Great! I did not want to misunderstand the whole thing. I see it also as a good creed and I'm grateful to be corrected...so the Orthodox do not use it, but they do not see a problem with it?
Correct? If so, then that answers that! Are there any other "Orthodox" creeds?
 
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Suzannah said:
Elizabeth! Oh dear! Send your mother to my house and I will show her my collection of books on early church art, and icons, and early church architecture! I can talk to her like a Baptist and show her in the Bible that it says we are to "adhere" to the teachings "they" have received...this is what is leading me! :)

Dearest in Christ Suzannah:

Anything you can share will be great. We have protestants visiting Ancient Way almost daily.

Your sister in Christ our God,
Elizabeth
 
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Suzannah,

I very good book that is written in very simple everyday language is The Mind of the Orthodox Church, by Metropolitan Hierotheos Vlachos. This one and also a little book called Orthodox Spirituality (by the same) were recommended to me as I was (and still am) learning about Orthodoxy. These books will take you a little deeper into the mindset of the Church, and its faithful.

When you go to visit the church, try to speak with the priest. He may have books there that you can borrow, or purchase from the church. Be sure to stay around after the Liturgy, as there will most likely be an agape meal, or at least coffee.

~photini
 
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2 Pet 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is {a matter} of one's own interpretation,
2 Pet 1:21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
2 Pet 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2 Pet 2:2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
2 Pet 2:3 and in {their} greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
2 Pet 2:4 ¶ For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;
2 Pet 2:5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;
2 Pet 2:6 and {if} He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing {them} to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly {lives} thereafter;
2 Pet 2:7 and {if} He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men
2 Pet 2:8 (for by what he saw and heard {that} righteous man, while living among them, felt {his} righteous soul tormented day after day by {their} lawless deeds),
2 Pet 2:9 {then} the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
2 Pet 2:10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in {its} corrupt desires and despise authority. ¶ Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
2 Pet 2:11 whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.

Rom 16:16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you.
Rom 16:17 ¶ Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.
Rom 16:18 For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting.
Phil 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that also to you;
Phil 3:16 however, let us keep living by that same { standard} to which we have attained.
Phil 3:17 ¶ Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us.

1 Thess 3:9 For what thanks can we render to God for you in return for all the joy with which we rejoice before our God on your account,
1 Thess 3:10 as we night and day keep praying most earnestly that we may see your face, and may complete what is lacking in your faith?
1 Thess 3:11 ¶ Now may our God and Father Himself and Jesus our Lord direct our way to you;
1 Thess 3:12 and may the Lord cause you to increase and abound in love for one another, and for all people, just as we also {do} for you;
1 Thess 3:13 so that He may establish your hearts without blame in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.

1 Thess 4:1 Finally then, brethren, we request and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us {instruction} as to how you ought to walk and please God (just as you actually do walk), that you excel still more.

No Protestant will ever be able to say that these examples were written to the future Protestant church for their own interpretation; they cannot refute that they were sent to the early churches commanding them to keep to what they had been taught by the original Apostles.
:)
It is leading me. I will get there someday, as the Holy Spirit gives me direction and correction.
 
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Suzannah said:
Rom 16:16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you.
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A funny thing kind of that struck me on my first visit to an Orthodox Church ....Before Communion, the faithful actually do this, and ask forgiveness of each other.
 
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A couple of books I would recommend:
Orthodox Spirituality by A Monk of the Eastern Church
Orthodox Church: Its Past and Its Role in the World Today by Jean Meyendorff
Facing East: A Pilgrim's Journey into the Mysteries of Orthodoxy by Frederica Mathewes-Green
The Art of Prayer: An Orthodox Anthology compiled by Igumen Chariton of Valamo.
Jeff the Finn
 
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I even see these beautiful icons in my dreams when I sleep, sometimes, and they are so excrutiatingly beautiful, but when I wake up, I can't remember enough of it to go to a library and see if I am dreaming of something I have actually seen somewhere. I know that's probably not a healthy basis for investigating something but I can't help it!


~ I don't usually like to talk about dreams. But a little while after I attended my first Liturgy, I had a dream that I was clothed in a black robe and chanting in a service...I was chanting in a foreign language but not sure which one. I tend to think it was Greek, but I don't really remember. I don't know how it could have been Greek, since at that point I had never heard Greek. Whatever language it was, I understood it, and it was beautiful.
 
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Oblio!
I loved the link! This is, my favorite part so far! It perfectly describes the internet!

Gregory of Nyssa describes the unending theological arguments in Constantinople at the time of the second General Council:


The whole city is full of it, the squares, the market places, the cross-roads, the alleyways; old-clothes men, money changers, food sellers: they are all busy arguing. If you ask someone to give you change, he philosophizes about the Begotten and the Unbegotten; if you inquire about the price of a loaf, you are told by way of reply that the Father is greater and the Son inferior; if you ask "Is my bath ready?" the attendant answers that the Son was made out of nothing (On the Deity of the Son [P.G. xlvi, 557b]).

LOL!
:)

 
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Photini said:
~ I don't usually like to talk about dreams. But a little while after I attended my first Liturgy, I had a dream that I was clothed in a black robe and chanting in a service...I was chanting in a foreign language but not sure which one. I tend to think it was Greek, but I don't really remember. I don't know how it could have been Greek, since at that point I had never heard Greek. Whatever language it was, I understood it, and it was beautiful.
Photini: Perhaps you were dreaming of your conversion? I believe that, although dreams in themselves are not reliable, they are often a barometer of what we are being called to do, in accordance with Scripture, and also with guidance (in waking life) from the Holy Spirit.
 
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Suzannah said:
I will do my best to describe it. It is in gold and silver, with precious gems all over...in the background is the sea (sapphires), with a ship/boat with some figures standing upon the water. In the foreground, is a man, with a halo, and he is holding something in one hand and is reaching toward the "outside" of the icon (me) with the other hand.

This is all I can really remember. I don't know if it actually exists and somewhere I have just seen a picture, and my memory retained it as a symbol to me of something, or if it is purely out of my imagination or?

I too, have awoken from sleep hearing a voice calling me, but it is a man's voice. (I'm married and trust me, it ain't my husband!)
It is a beautiful voice with a quality that I cannot describe.

Dear Suzannah:

I cut and pasted the above post of yours from the OBOB describing the icon of your dream. It almost sounds like the Icon of St. Nicholas, Mariner of the Lost, a popular icon among the Greeks. I saw an icon showing people in a boat with St. Nicholas among them pulling people out of the raging blue sea. Christ was shown watching this and looking out of the icon to us. Some Russian and Greek icons are adorned with silver, gold, and jewels.
 
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Dear Suzannah:

I cut and pasted the above post of yours from the OBOB describing the icon of your dream. It almost sounds like the Icon of St. Nicholas, Mariner of the Lost, a popular icon among the Greeks. I saw an icon showing people in a boat with St. Nicholas among them pulling people out of the raging blue sea. Christ was shown watching this and looking out of the icon to us. Some Russian and Greek icons are adorned with silver, gold, and jewels.
Chanter

I don't know if that one is it, but I was going through different topics in google, and came across a picture that I think is very like what she described, but not with the sliver and prescious gems, etc . . but I didn't think it was Christ in the foreground . . I have been looking for it after I found it a few days ago .. and couldn't for the life of me remember which saint it was to be in regards to . . I will try to look again for it now . .

:)


Peace in Him!
 
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