Matthew 28 -- "angel"

Gerhard Ebersoehn

Junior Member
Aug 22, 2008
1,409
63
✟14,946.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
in Matthew 28, you will find the angel already declaring that Jesus is already risen and you will not find any declaration that says Jesus was actually rising at this point.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/chronology-of-the-passion-week-the-timing-of-christs-death-resurrection-ascension.7981141/page-7#123

<<in Matthew 28>> -- chapter 28, <<you will find the angel already declaring that Jesus is already risen>>.

Where, in chapter 28? O, it doesn't matter, what are you so punctilious for? I can hear you say… But I’ll tell you why I ask, which verse?

Because, if on Sunday morning <<you will find the angel already declaring that Jesus is already risen>>, you MUST wonder, WHICH ANGEL will you find <<declaring that Jesus is already risen>>? The same angel that descended and cast the stone away, or, another angel? Because if it is the same angel, it must be on Sunday morning that he opened the grave and therefore it must be on Sunday morning that Jesus rose from the dead -- on the First Day of the week!

But that is not what Matthew 28 states; not in verse 1 anyway. Because verse 1 states it was "Late on the Sabbath mid-afternoon before the First Day of the week when the angel of the Lord descended" -- an enormous 12 to 15 hours before on Sunday morning before sunrise or sunrise!

Therefore, facts and factors peculiar to Matthew matter and have to be given account of separately and for their own sake, which will --must, shall-- explain unique and essential qualities and aspects of the Gospel of Matthew with regard to important and detailed information about the day, date and time when Jesus rose from the dead -- found in Matthew, but not in the other Gospels.

In the first place, there is the unique mention of the name of the “angel of the Lord”. Matthew’s description of the angels matter! The angels not for nothing have different names; they were, different angels, and they performed different tasks; and they performed their tasks at different times and on different days of the week.

The angels also have another word for them used by Matthew. Only Matthew has “messenger” [angelos] for both, “sent” individuals for special, own, errands.

As the use of the word “answered” [apokritheis] in the clause, ‘apokritheis ho angellos eipen tais gunaiksin’,

“answered the angel and said to the women”, shows…

/ “explained the angel and said to the women”

/ “reported the angel to the women and said”

/ “attested the angel to the women and said”

/ “elaborated the angel and said to the women”

/ “confirmed / affirmed / verified the angel and said to the women”

The other Synoptists have only ‘eipen’ or ‘legei’, “said the angel(s)” / “told the angel(s)”. Only Matthew has “said”, and, “answered”. Which requires that Matthew has “the angel of the Lord” who “cast the stone away … on the Sabbath”, and, another angel who “explained”, the work “the angel of the Lord” did “on the Sabbath” the day before; and, who, on the Sunday morning after, had “told the women, Fear not ye, for I know…”.
 

Bible Highlighter

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.
Site Supporter
Jul 22, 2014
41,512
7,861
...
✟1,195,415.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/chronology-of-the-passion-week-the-timing-of-christs-death-resurrection-ascension.7981141/page-7#123

<<in Matthew 28>> -- chapter 28, <<you will find the angel already declaring that Jesus is already risen>>.

Where, in chapter 28? O, it doesn't matter, what are you so punctilious for? I can hear you say… But I’ll tell you why I ask, which verse?

Because, if on Sunday morning <<you will find the angel already declaring that Jesus is already risen>>, you MUST wonder, WHICH ANGEL will you find <<declaring that Jesus is already risen>>? The same angel that descended and cast the stone away, or, another angel? Because if it is the same angel, it must be on Sunday morning that he opened the grave and therefore it must be on Sunday morning that Jesus rose from the dead -- on the First Day of the week!

But that is not what Matthew 28 states; not in verse 1 anyway. Because verse 1 states it was "Late on the Sabbath mid-afternoon before the First Day of the week when the angel of the Lord descended" -- an enormous 12 to 15 hours before on Sunday morning before sunrise or sunrise!

Therefore, facts and factors peculiar to Matthew matter and have to be given account of separately and for their own sake, which will --must, shall-- explain unique and essential qualities and aspects of the Gospel of Matthew with regard to important and detailed information about the day, date and time when Jesus rose from the dead -- found in Matthew, but not in the other Gospels.

In the first place, there is the unique mention of the name of the “angel of the Lord”. Matthew’s description of the angels matter! The angels not for nothing have different names; they were, different angels, and they performed different tasks; and they performed their tasks at different times and on different days of the week.

The angels also have another word for them used by Matthew. Only Matthew has “messenger” [angelos] for both, “sent” individuals for special, own, errands.

As the use of the word “answered” [apokritheis] in the clause, ‘apokritheis ho angellos eipen tais gunaiksin’,

“answered the angel and said to the women”, shows…

/ “explained the angel and said to the women”

/ “reported the angel to the women and said”

/ “attested the angel to the women and said”

/ “elaborated the angel and said to the women”

/ “confirmed / affirmed / verified the angel and said to the women”

The other Synoptists have only ‘eipen’ or ‘legei’, “said the angel(s)” / “told the angel(s)”. Only Matthew has “said”, and, “answered”. Which requires that Matthew has “the angel of the Lord” who “cast the stone away … on the Sabbath”, and, another angel who “explained”, the work “the angel of the Lord” did “on the Sabbath” the day before; and, who, on the Sunday morning after, had “told the women, Fear not ye, for I know…”.

“In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” (Matthew‬ ‭28:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬).

“Early on Sunday morning, as the new day was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went out to visit the tomb.” (‭Matthew‬ ‭28:1‬ ‭NLT‬‬).

“Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.” (Matthew‬ ‭28:1‬ ‭NASB‬‬).


...
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Bible Highlighter

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.
Site Supporter
Jul 22, 2014
41,512
7,861
...
✟1,195,415.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
The Jews counted the days from evening to morning---in other words
sundown Saturday was considered Sunday until that next sundown. Sundown Sunday was considered Monday until that next sundown.

Yes, I agree.

The days (being 24 hours) were from sunset to sunset or nightfall to nightfall.

Unlike today, the days (being 24 hours) are from midnight to midnight.

...
 
Upvote 0

Gerhard Ebersoehn

Junior Member
Aug 22, 2008
1,409
63
✟14,946.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
“In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” (Matthew‬ ‭28:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬).

“Early on Sunday morning, as the new day was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went out to visit the tomb.” (‭Matthew‬ ‭28:1‬ ‭NLT‬‬).

“Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.” (Matthew‬ ‭28:1‬ ‭NASB‬‬).


...

Why do you place these versions together?

Because you think they record the same event, the event of Jesus rising from the dead?
 
Upvote 0

Bible Highlighter

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.
Site Supporter
Jul 22, 2014
41,512
7,861
...
✟1,195,415.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Why do you place these versions together?

Because you think they record the same event, the event of Jesus rising from the dead?

No. It is saying it is early Sunday morning (When it was still dark out in the morning) when Mary began to go to the tomb of Jesus. However, when she got there, the tomb was already empty.

As I said to you before (several times), I believe Jesus rose on the Saturday Sabbath at 3:00PM.


...
 
Upvote 0

Gerhard Ebersoehn

Junior Member
Aug 22, 2008
1,409
63
✟14,946.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
No. It is saying it is early Sunday morning (When it was still dark out in the morning) when Mary began to go to the tomb of Jesus. However, when she got there, the tomb was already empty.

As I said to you before (several times), I believe Jesus rose on the Saturday Sabbath at 3:00PM.


...

I am thankful that we agree "on the Sabbath mid-afternoon" Resurrection.

But don't surrender to the First Day Resurrection myth your only Scripture in so many words for Jesus' "Sabbath's" Resurrection.

It does the truth no good, but causes myriads of unanswerable contradictions and discrepancies Sunday resurrectionists love to besmirch the Sabbath Resurrection believers egg in the face with; with which they also try to discredit and mock Jesus' Resurrection on the Sabbath.
 
Upvote 0

Bible Highlighter

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.
Site Supporter
Jul 22, 2014
41,512
7,861
...
✟1,195,415.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
I am thankful that we agree "on the Sabbath mid-afternoon" Resurrection.

But don't surrender to the First Day Resurrection myth your only Scripture in so many words for Jesus' "Sabbath's" Resurrection.

It does the truth no good, but causes myriads of unanswerable contradictions and discrepancies Sunday resurrectionists love to besmirch the Sabbath Resurrection believers egg in the face with; with which they also try to discredit and mock Jesus' Resurrection on the Sabbath.

I am in no way tempted to go outside of Scripture to say that Jesus resurrected on Sunday (When the Word does not say such a thing). Man made traditions say that Jesus rose on Sunday. It is nothing more than that. Jesus clearly rose on the Saturday Sabbath for several reasons. I also believe folks got the day wrong for when Jesus rode in on a donkey, too. It is Palm Saturday and not Palm Sunday. Jesus was traveling to the temple on the Saturday Sabbath. For it is allowed to travel to the temple on a Saturday Sabbath.


...
 
Upvote 0

Gerhard Ebersoehn

Junior Member
Aug 22, 2008
1,409
63
✟14,946.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I am in no way tempted to go outside of Scripture to say that Jesus resurrected on Sunday (When the Word does not say such a thing). Man made traditions say that Jesus rose on Sunday. It is nothing more than that. Jesus clearly rose on the Saturday Sabbath for several reasons. I also believe folks got the day wrong for when Jesus rode in on a donkey, too. It is Palm Saturday and not Palm Sunday. Jesus was traveling to the temple on the Saturday Sabbath. For it is allowed to travel to the temple on a Saturday Sabbath.


...

It is allowed to travel to the temple on a Sabbath; it was mandatory "in the year of our captivity in the beginning of the year (in the First Month) in the tenth day of the month ... in the selfsame BONE-Day (the tenth day of the month)", that "the hand of the LORD was upon Me and brought Me thither...upon a mountain... and there was man... with a line-o-flax in his hand and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate...".

The Lamb for the Passover of Yahweh was to be proved perfect, without blemish to the full stature of the Anointed One of God. Not according to the Law of Sabbaths, but according to the Law of BONE-Days so called in the Law of the passover "on the tenth day of the month in the beginning of the year" regardless days of the week NEVERTHELESS so that one Sabbath's week after, He on the Sabbath "on the sixteenth day of the First Month, finished to cleanse the Sanctuary" by having raised from it out of the realm of the dead and grave.

The Last Week

“ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES”[1] ... “THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH”[2]


The First Month for You
"Observe the Month of Abib!"[3] Christ our Passover sacrificed[4]; Lamb of God[5]; A Lamb stood on the mount; they sang a new song before the Throne[6]



Friday
"The eighth day of Abib, they came"[7], He came to Bethany.[8]



Saturday (Abib 9)
Six days before the Passover Feast; where Lazarus stayed; lunch.[9]



Palm Sunday (5 days before Feast)
The next day[10], "tenth day of Abib”[11], Jerusalem; branches of palm trees.[12] Late; to Bethany.[13]



Monday (Abib 11; 4 days before Feast)
The next day[14] From Bethany; fig tree; in temple; when late out of city; to Bethany.[15]

[1] 1Cor15:3-4
[2] Mt12:40
[3] Dt16:1-3, 2Chr29:15a
[4] 1Cor5:7
[5] Jh1:29,36
[6] Rv14:1,3, 15:3; Ps40:2-3, 138; Ex15:1-3, 6-7, 16-18; Eph1:17-23; Ro6:4; Col2:12b, 15
[7] 2Chr29:15b
[8] Jn11:56, 12:1a
[9] Jn12:1b
[10] Jn12:12a
[11] Ex12:3,6
[12] Jh12:12b-13
[13] Mk11:11
[14] Mk11:12-13, Mt21:18-19
[15] Mk11:19, Mt21:17



Tuesday (Abib 12; 3 days before Feast)
The next day[1]; returned to city; saw fig tree; in temple; out of temple; mount of Olives.[2] = “When Jesus had
finished these sayings, he said to his disciples, You know that after two days is the Passover when the Son of Man is to be crucified (Abib 14).”[3]

Wednesday (Abib 13; 2 days before Feast)
In the night (Tuesday-night) He abode in the mount.[4] Early in the morning; all the people came to the temple[5]; The Feast Day when they began to eat Unleavened Bread drew nigh[6]; After two days was the Feast Day[7] of the Passover of Unleavened Bread; The priests sought how they might take Him; not on the Feast![8]

And He being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper ... Judas went to the priests to betray Him unto them without tumult.”[9]

[1] Mk11:20, Mt21:18,23, Lk20:1
[2] Mk13:1,3
[3] Mt26:2, Jesus’ own words to his disciples; “two days” to Nisan 14, but 3 days to Nisan 15.
[4] Lk21:37
[5] Lk21:38
[6] Lk22:1
[7] Mk14:1, Abib 15; Mark’s words to the readers.
[8] Mk14:2, Mt26:5, Nisan 13 – “Not on the Feast Day”, Nisan 15, yet!
[9] Mk14:3,10, Mt26:6,15, Lk22:3





Thursday (Abib 14; 1 day before Feast)

"The fourteenth day"[1] Before the Feast[2]; the first[3] day Leaven had[4] to be Removed; began[5]; the night in which He was betrayed[6]; the Preparation of the Passover[7]; when always[8] the Passover must[9] be killed; My time is at hand.[10] In the evening[11] when the hour was come[12] He sat down with the disciples. His hour was come.[13] It was night.[14] This day in this night[15]; this hour[16]; Enough, the hour had come[17]; Behold, the Son of Man is betrayed!

[1] Lv23:5
[2] Jn13:1
[3] Mt26:17a
[4] Ex12:19
[5] Lk22:7a
[6] 1Cor11:23
[7] Jn19:14
[8]Mk14:12a/17, Mt26:17a/20, Lk22:7a/14, Jn13:1
[9] Lk22:7b
[10] Mt26:18b
[11] Mk14:17, Mt26:20
[12] Lk22:14
[13] Jn13:1
[14] Jn13:30b
[15] Mk14:30
[16] Mk14:35, Mt26:39a
[17] Mk14:41b Mt26:45b
[18] Jn18:28
[19] Jn19:14
[20] Mk15:25
[21] Mk15:33
[22] Mt27:50
[23] Lk23:48


It was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the passover.[1]
It was the Preparation of Passover six o’clock am ... Behold, your King![2] It was the third hour when they crucified Him.[3] When the sixth hour was come, there was darkness until the ninth hour.[4] Jesus then after, yielded up the ghost.[5]

And all the people that came to that sight, when having seen the things which were done, went away and returned.[6]

[1] Jn18:28
[2] Jn19:14
[3] Mk15:25
[4] Mk15:33
[5] Mt27:50
[6] Lk23:48


Friday The Feast
After this because it was the Preparation, Joseph of Arimathea, secretly for fear of the Jews, went[1] in[2] boldly unto Pilate[3], (and) besought (him) that he might take away the body of Jesus.[4] And Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore and took down[5] the body of Jesus (and) away[6]. Having bought linen[7], Joseph wrapped[8] the body. There came also Nicodemus who the first time came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh about an hundred pound. Then prepared[9] they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen with the spices as the manner of the Jews is to bury.[10]
[1] Mt27:58
[2] Mk15:43 – cf. Jn18:28
[3] Lk23:52
[4] Jn19:38 ‘arehi’
[5] Mk15:46a, Lk23:53a ‘kathelohn’
[6] Jn19:38c ‘ehren’
[7] Mk15:46
[8] Lk23:53 ‘kathelohn – enetulicsen’
[9] Jn19:40a, ‘elabon – edehsan’; Mt27:59a ‘labohn – enetulicsen’
[10] Jn19:39-40


Daylight Procession
The women also, who came with Him from Galilee (Mary Magdalene and the other Mary), followed the procession.[1]

There was a garden in the place where He was crucified, and in the garden a new sepulchre, hewn out of rock[2], wherein was never man yet laid.[3] There laid they[4] Jesus because of the Jews’ preparations.[5]

Mary Magdalene and the other Mary sitting over against the sepulchre[6] beheld where[7] (and) how his body was laid.[8]

(Joseph) rolled a great[9] stone unto the door of the sepulchre[10], and departed.[11]

(The women) returned home also, and prepared spices and ointments.[12]

The day was The Preparation, afternoon while the Sabbath drew on.[13]

[1] Lk23:55
[2] Mk15:46c, Mt 27:60b
[3] Jn19:41
[4] Jn19:38a, 39a, Joseph and Nicodemus
[5] Jn19:42
[6] Mt27:61
[7] Mk15:47
[8] Lk23:55b
[9] Mt27:60c
[10] Mk15:46d
[11] Mt27:60d
[12] Lk23:56a
[13] Lk23:54




Saturday (Abib 16)

“First Sheaf Wave Offering Before the LORD; on the day after the sabbath (of the Passover, Abib 15).”[1]

The women began[2] to rest the Sabbath Day according to the (Fourth) Commandment.[3]

The morning sunrise, all their precautions despite, the chief priests and Pharisees had a meeting with Pilate, and protested, But Sir, we remember this deceiver said while he was yet alive, After[4] three days I will rise again! Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day has passed; lest his disciples come by night and steal him away, and say, he is risen.[5] So they secured the tomb by sealing the stone and setting a watch.[6]

[1] Lv23:10,15-16
[2] Ingressive Aorist. Cf. Lv23:32, Dt24:15
[3] Lk23:56b
[4] “After” is used idiomatically for Matthew’s usual “the third day”, 12:40, 16:21,23, 20:19. “After tree days” – not ‘after the third day’! It does not mean on a fourth day after three days. Cf. 26:2, “after two days the Feast”, inclusive of first and last days.
[5] Mt27:62-64
[6] Mt27:66





In the slow hours[1] of the Sabbath’s[2] after noon[3], towards the First Day of the week explained the angel[4]:– When suddenly there was a great earthquake, (and) Mary Magdalene and the other Mary set out[5] to go[6] have a look at the grave[7], Behold! For the angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and hurled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow. And for fear of him the keepers did shake and became as dead.[8]



[1] Dionysius
[2] ‘Sabbath’s-time’
[3] ‘Being (day)light tending’
[4] Mt28:5a
[5] Wenham
[6] Infinitive of intention
[7] Mt28:1
[8] Mt28:2-4


Sunday (Abib 17)

And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought sweet spices that when[1] they come, they might anoint Him.[2]

Early darkness still the First Day of the week, Mary Magdalene comes[3] to the sepulchre and sees the stone taken away from it! Then she runs and comes to Peter.[4]

On the First Day of the week, deep dark morning[5], they[6] and certain other with them, went[7] to the grave bringing their spices which they had prepared. And they found[8] the stone rolled away from the grave.[9]

[1] They did not then, immediately, go to the tomb, but first waited.
[2] Mk16:1a Salome did not know of events.
[3] Notice the Present!
[4] Jn20:1 futher
[5] Lk24:1 ‘órthrou bathéohs’
[6] The two Marys and Salome. A variant has “three women”.
[7] Notice the Past!
[8] Just as Mary must have told them!
[9] Lk24:1 further



Very early before sunrise on the First Day of the week, they[1], came[2] to the tomb. Talking among themselves, they wondered: Who could have rolled the stone away for us (for it was exceedingly big!)?[3] So on re-investigation[4] they found that the stone was thrown back uphill![5] ... They fled from the sepulchre, for they trembled and were amazed. They told nobody anything, because they were afraid.[6] ... But Mary had had stood after[7] in front of the tomb. Weeping, she bent over and looked inside the sepulchre. ... She turned herself around, and saw Jesus ... supposing Him to be the gardener ...[8] Risen (Jesus), early daylight on the First Day of the week, first appeared to Mary Magdalene.[9]

[1] Mary Magdalene, the other Mary and Salome, but probably ‘others with them’ again.
[2] ‘erchontai’, Present of past meaning; they first ‘come’ = ‘came’, KJV, then ‘talked’.

[3] Mk16:4c, They were familiar with the situation already; it was not their first visit to the tomb!
[4] Mk16:4a, ‘anablepsasai’
[5] Mk16:4b, ‘anakekúlistai’
[6] Mk16:8
[7] Jn20:11a, “heistehkehi”, Pluperfect

[8] Jn20:15b
[9] Mk16:9 The other women must have returned to the grave after Jesus had appeared to Mary, when “The angel explained to them”, and they believed, and Jesus appeared to them while they went to tell the others. Refer to Mt28:5 further.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Gerhard Ebersoehn

Junior Member
Aug 22, 2008
1,409
63
✟14,946.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
There came also Nicodemus who the first time came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh about an hundred pound.

This was my understanding at first. I changed it. John 19:39 has been the only text I changed my opinion on. If the subject happen to be discussed, I might explain.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Gerhard Ebersoehn

Junior Member
Aug 22, 2008
1,409
63
✟14,946.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
No. It is saying it is early Sunday morning (When it was still dark out in the morning) when Mary began to go to the tomb of Jesus. However, when she got there, the tomb was already empty.
As I said to you before (several times), I believe Jesus rose on the Saturday Sabbath at 3:00PM.

By <it>, I assume you mean to say all three these versions, agree in <saying>, in your words, <<early Sunday morning...When it was still dark out in the morning) when Mary began to go to the tomb of Jesus.>>

But the KJV clearly differs with the other two.
KJV like all English translations up to the 20th century, about three dozen of them, say perfectly the same thing, that it was "in" or "on" the Sabbath, in fact "in the end OF THE Sabbath" or "late on THE SABBATH".
Translations from the beginning of the 20th century, especially during its latter two thirds which were published at an ever faster rate from the fifties on, with a few exceptions only, say what the other two versions have to say, that ...

“... Early on Sunday morning, as the new day was dawning..."

“... Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week".

[[Also note that KJV and NASB have, “...came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre”; "Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.” implying a realised visit at the tomb; while NLT IMPROVED to a more literal rendering with, "Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went out to visit the tomb.”
But that is not for now.]]

WHICH versions are correct; which, wrong!? Because they give plainly contradictory times as well as days of the week!
 
Upvote 0