Matthew 24:40-41 has me questioning my beliefs

[random person]

Isaiah 66:23 Month after month....all mankind will come to bow before Me.
None of Isaiah 66 is completely fulfilled, the 'nation in one day' was not the State of Israel, the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, will happen on the Day the Lord comes in fire, testing all mankind, killing many.
He is coming to gather peoples of every language, all true Christians, some He will send out to the nations, the 144,000, to proclaim the coming Kingdom, Before the Return of Jesus, they will build the new Temple. Zechariah 6:15, Ezekiel 40-43
You are correct RP, this will happen in the last days of the Church age.

There are no last days of the church. Ephesians 3:21.

 

[keras]

There are no last days of the church. Ephesians 3:21.

We are in the last days of mans control of the Church and of the world.
Jesus will rule overall in His Millennium reign.

Address the main issue, not the picky details!

 

[random person]

We are in the last days of mans control of the Church and of the world.
Jesus will rule overall in His Millennium reign.

Address the main issue, not the picky details!

Read the millennial reign more carefully, please remember the liturgical pattern of the High Priest is a eschatological type and shadow for the second coming of Christ and the Resurrection. If the High Priest came back out of the Most High Place, the national atonement of Israel was successful, if the High Priest failed to come back out of the Most High Place the national atonement of Israel was a failure. This is what Hebrews 9, Revelation 6/15/20:1-6, and Daniel 12:1-7 are speaking about.

No body could enter the Most Holy Place until after God's wrath was spent (the end of the Jewish Age) and the first tabernacle (Jewish temple) was destroyed hence the Resurrection.

The Millennial rule is in heaven (Lord is with His martyrs) and not on earth. And it is not a literal 1,000 years in length.

 

[keras]

The Millennial rule is in heaven (Lord is with His martyrs) and not on earth. And it is not a literal 1,000 years in length. QUOTE]

Refuted by Revelation 5:9-10....they will reign on earth. Also by Isaiah 66:18-21
That the Millennium will be exactly 1000 years is proved by the fact there was exactly 2000 years Adam to Abraham, 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, now 1986 years from Jesus, so only 14 years until His Return, then His 1000 year reign, making an exact total of 7000 years of God's Plan for mankind.
Anyway, why must you think what Revelation 20 says, isn't what it means?
Is God going to leave the earth to Satan? No way!

Refuted by Revelation 5:9-10....they will reign on earth. Also by Isaiah 66:18-21
That the Millennium will be exactly 1000 years is proved by the fact there was exactly 2000 years Adam to Abraham, 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, now 1986 years from Jesus, so only 14 years until His Return, then His 1000 year reign, making an exact total of 7000 years of God's Plan for mankind.
Anyway, why must you think what Revelation 20 says, isn't what it means?
Is God going to leave the earth to Satan? No way!

 

[mmksparbud]

If your going to go by the Jewish view of things, then you need to use their measuring system or your dates will be all wrong--which they will by anyway.

• Sun, 25 September 2016 = 22nd of Elul, 5776

• כ״ב בֶּאֱלוּל תשע״ו

• Parashat Nitzavim (in Diaspora

Exo 23:10 And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof:
Exo 23:11 But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard.

This is always forgotten--
This is a also looking forward to the end times--- 6000 years, and then 1000 years the land (planet) rests. Jesus reigns in heaven during the 1000 years while the land rests after
2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

 

[keras]

If your going to go by the Jewish view of things, then you need to use their measuring system or your dates will be all wrong--which they will by anyway.

• Sun, 25 September 2016 = 22nd of Elul, 5776

What Jewish way of doing things have I done?
The addition of the time periods, as given in our Bible, is my guide. Check out the 'God's 7000 year Plan' thread on this forum.
Re this being the Jewish year of 5776, it is well known that the Rabbis have messed up their calendar, so their dates are of no significance whatever.

 

[mmksparbud]

What Jewish way of doing things have I done?
The addition of the time periods, as given in our Bible, is my guide. Check out the 'God's 7000 year Plan' thread on this forum.
Re this being the Jewish year of 5776, it is well known that the Rabbis have messed up their calendar, so their dates are of no significance whatever.

They changed Holy days--not years or months. They postponed some Holy days.

 

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[random person]

Refuted by Revelation 5:9-10....they will reign on earth. Also by Isaiah 66:18-21
That the Millennium will be exactly 1000 years is proved by the fact there was exactly 2000 years Adam to Abraham, 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, now 1986 years from Jesus, so only 14 years until His Return, then His 1000 year reign, making an exact total of 7000 years of God's Plan for mankind.
Anyway, why must you think what Revelation 20 says, isn't what it means?
Is God going to leave the earth to Satan? No way!

Both Isaiah 65:17-25 and Isaiah 66:18-24, are both speaking about the New Covenant heaven and earth.

Read Isaiah 51:15-16 (in the KJV/NKJV), this is speaking about the Jewish age heaven and earth under the Law. That heaven and earth ended in 70 A.D. What do you think Jesus was speaking about in Matthew 5:17-18? That the Old Covenant was binding until the literal material universe passes away? No. Why does it say God planted the Heavens and laid the foundations of the earth when the Israelites crossed the Red Sea and were delivered the Law by Moses if the material universe already existed. But at that moment, God created the Jewish age heaven and earth.

Christians have been kings and priests upon the earth. It is no longer binding that only Jews are the only kings representing the kingdom of God a la King David.

 

[random person]

It tells how people will still die during that time. the sinner - shall die - hundred years old. There will not be death in heaven.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in His holy mountain.

He will rule the nations with a rod of iron.
Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust [shall be] the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Isaiah 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant ineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

Yet there is still childbearing, there is still death, there is still sin, there is still labor, there is still construction, there is still agriculture in this new heaven and new earth?

Isaiah in verse 25 is illustrating the peace between the clean and unclean animals that represent Christian Jews and Christian Gentiles. It is not to be taken in the literal sense remember Acts 10. Born again Christians are referred to multiple times as children in the NT too.

 

[PanDeVida]

I'm Lutheran and I've always been of the persuasion that the rapture occurs on the last day when Christ returns and raises the dead.

Matthew 24:40-41 has me questioning this. It doesn't seem to jive with my beliefs. For instance it says that "one will be left" which gives me the idea that life will continue on earth after this "taking" takes place.

Thoughts?

Matthew 24: says, “Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.” This verse links with a similar illustration in verse 40. A key to understanding the Bible is to examine a verse in its context. The full context begins in verse 36 with, “But of that day and hour [of Jesus Christ's second coming] no one knows.” It ends in verse 44 with, “Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” Clearly, the topic is preparedness for Christ's second coming.

In the immediate context, Christ makes plain the fact that no one knows the timing of His coming, not of His “near approach,” as the rapture theory would suggest. His advice to Christians, in light of this fact, is that we need to be constantly alert, always in a state of spiritual preparedness—“Watch therefore” (verse 42).

Now the understanding of verses 40-41 becomes clear. The suddenness of His coming will catch people who are not prepared off guard. His return will surprise some living or working side-by-side with Christians who are ready. Some will be “left”—not “left behind” after a secret rapture, but left out because they were unaware.

Remember, the ten virgin, five foolish and five wise! The five foolish was not prepared, as the five wise were prepared and ready for the Lord.

Scripture has it that Christ will come twice, the second is at the end of time, now if you believe that their is a rapture, that means that Christ will come 3 times, now to be live this is a lie of satan.

For the first 1500 years of Christianity there was no teaching of the rapture, now this should tell you something.

 

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[Ken Rank]

I'm Lutheran and I've always been of the persuasion that the rapture occurs on the last day when Christ returns and raises the dead.

Matthew 24:40-41 has me questioning this. It doesn't seem to jive with my beliefs. For instance it says that "one will be left" which gives me the idea that life will continue on earth after this "taking" takes place.

Thoughts?

Life will and I will go a step further John, I WANT to be left behind. Seriously!

Look at the verses in question, I will use the Luke account instead:


Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.
Luke 17:35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left.
Luke 17:36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."

Now listen to the answer to the following question....

Luke 17:37 And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."

In other words, "Where are they being taken to?" And the answer is, and I paraphrase, "See where the scavenger birds are eating those dead corpses? Over there!"

We have had this backwards... sadly, like many things. The time in question is likened to Noach's time right? And I ask you, when the wrath was poured out and all was said and done... and Noach and his family opened the ark doors to a renewed earth... who was taken and who was left behind? No other humans were around, ALL of their lives were taken and only Noach and his family, along with the animals, were "left behind." There is even another witness for this...

Matthrew 13:24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; (25) but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. (26) But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. (27) So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?' (28) He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?' (29) But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. (30) Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." ' "

Now, this is one of the few times he explains, in plain King James English (joking, but plain speaking) what this parable meant....

Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field." (37) He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. (38) The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. (39) The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. (40) Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. (41) The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, (42) and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (43) Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

The tares, the children of the wicked one are taken FIRST and the children of the kingdom are gathered second. We want to be left behind... we want to inherit the earth the meek inherit the earth!

And in the Millennial Kingdom, the nations will come to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Tabernacles. So clearly there are people after the fact....

Zech 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.
Zec 14:18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
Zec 14:20 In that day "HOLINESS TO THE LORD" shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

Even more... if satan is let loose at the end of the thousand years to deceive the nations and WE have already been perfected at his coming (1 Cor. 15:52) then those who can be deceived are not perfected. Who are they? Why are they alive? There is a lot of studying to do here brother. Blessings!

 

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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