Matthew 1:1

[Timothew]

Matthew 10:36

και εχθροι του ανθρωπου οι οικειακοι αυτου

and enemies the man the household his

and the man's enemies - those of his own house.

 

[he-man]

Matthew 10:36

και εχθροι του ανθρωπου οι οικειακοι αυτου

and enemies the man the household his

and the man's enemies - those of his own house.

Mat 10:36 και εχθροι του ανθρωπου οι οικιακοι αυτου
36 And a man's enemies shall be those of his household.

 

[Timothew]

Mat 10:36 και εχθροι του ανθρωπου οι οικιακοι αυτου
36 And a man's enemies shall be those of his household.

I just don't see "shall be".

 

[Radagast]

I just don't see "shall be".

With a verb missing, something must be inserted. Often "will be" is inserted (since Jesus is speaking in the future tense). However, I like your use of a dash. Modern English has lots of nice punctuation, and that can be exploited in translation.

Now that I'm here, though, my gut feel (supported by a few translations) is that και εχθροι του ανθρωπου is better captured in English by "a man's enemies." Even better, perhaps, "a person's enemies," since ανθρωπου covers both men and women (and this verse summarises the men and women in the previous verse). Still, "a man's enemies" reads much, much better (and I see the new gender-friendly NIV has stuck with it).

 

[Radagast]

It's worth noting that this passage is a (very rough) quote from Micah 7:6:

for the son treats the father with contempt,
the daughter rises up against her mother,
the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
a man's enemies are the men of his own house.

From the Hebrew, I think, since the LXX has different wording:

διότι υἱὸς ἀτιμάζει πατέρα
θυγάτηρ ἐπαναστήσεται ἐπὶ τὴν μητέρα αὐτῆς
νύμφη ἐπὶ τὴν πενθερὰν αὐτῆς
ἐχθροὶ ἀνδρὸς πάντες οἱ ἄνδρες οἱ ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ αὐτοῦ

 

[he-man]

With a verb missing, something must be inserted. Often "will be" is inserted (since Jesus is speaking in the future tense). However, I like your use of a dash. Modern English has lots of nice punctuation, and that can be exploited in translation.

Now that I'm here, though, my gut feel (supported by a few translations) is that και εχθροι του ανθρωπου is better captured in English by "a man's enemies."

Yes, I like that too!

και εχθροι του ανθρωπου οι they shall be οικιακοι αυτου: nominative plural masculine

Matthew 10:36 DBY
The Darby Translation
and they of his household [shall be] a man's enemies.

Matthew 10:36 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
and a man's own family will be his foes.

Matthew 10:36 KJV
King James Version
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household

Matthew 10:36 RHE
Douay-Rheims
And a man’s enemies shall be they of his own household.

 

[Timothew]

Matthew 10:37

ο φιλων πατερα η μητερα υπερ εμε ουκ εστιν μου αξιος και ο φιλων υιον η θυγατερα υπερ εμε ουκ εστιν μου αξιος

The loves father or mother over me not is me worthy and the loves son or daughter over me not is me worthy

Whoever loves father of mother over me is not worthy of me and whoever loves son or daughter over me is not worthy of me,

 

[he-man]

Matthew 10:37

ο φιλων πατερα η μητερα υπερ εμε ουκ εστιν μου αξιος και ο φιλων υιον η θυγατερα υπερ εμε ουκ εστιν μου αξιος

The loves father or mother over me not is me worthy and the loves son or daughter over me not is me worthy

Whoever loves father of mother over me is not worthy of me and whoever loves son or daughter over me is not worthy of me,

Mat 10:37 ο φιλων πατερα η μητερα υπερ εμε ουκ εστιν μου αξιος και ο φιλων υιον η θυγατερα υπερ εμε ουκ εστιν μου αξιος

Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother over me is not worthwhile of me: and he that loveth son or daughter over me is not worthwhile of me.

 

[Timothew]

Matthew 10:38

και ος ου λαμβανει τον σταυρον αυτου και ακολουθει οπισω μου ουκ εστιν μου αξιος

and whoever not take the cross his and follow after me not is me worthy

and whoever does not take his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me.

 

[he-man]

Matthew 10:38

και ος ου λαμβανει τον σταυρον αυτου και ακολουθει οπισω μου ουκ εστιν μου αξιος

and whoever not take the cross his and follow after me not is me worthy

and whoever does not take his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:38 και ος ου λαμβανει τον σταυρον αυτου και ακολουθει οπισω μου ουκ εστιν μου αξιος

Mat 10:38 And who does not take his cross, and attends the reverse of me, is not just of me.

 

[Timothew]

Matthew 10:39

ο ευρων την ψυχην αυτου απολεσει αυτην και ο απολεσας την ψυχην αυτου ενεκεν εμου ευρησει αυτην

Whoever finds the life his destroys it and whoever destroys the life his on-account-of me finds it.

Whoever finds his life destroys it and whoever destroys his life on account of me finds it.

In message-ese:
Whoever finds himself destroys himself and whoever destroys himself on account of me finds himself.

 

[he-man]

Matthew 10:39

ο ευρων την ψυχην αυτου απολεσει αυτην και ο απολεσας την ψυχην αυτου ενεκεν εμου ευρησει αυτην

Whoever finds the life his destroys it and whoever destroys the life his on-account-of me finds it.

Whoever finds his life destroys it and whoever destroys his life on account of me finds it.

In message-ese:
Whoever finds himself destroys himself and whoever destroys himself on account of me finds himself.

Mat 10:39 ο ευρων την ψυχην αὐτοῦ απολεσει αυτην και ο απολεσας την ψυχην αυτου ενεκεν εμου ευρησει αυτην
Mat 10:39 The one who finds his life shall lose it: and he that loses his life owing to me shall find it.
Future Active Singular απολεσας Active is I ruin, destroy, lose
Middle /Passive is I perish, die, am ruined

Check out οὐκ ἔχετε ζωὴν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς (Jn. 6:53) you (pl.) do not have life in yourselves
ψυχην αὐτοῦ = his life notice the accents
αὐτὸς λέγει = he himself says

 

[Timothew]

Future Active Singular απολεσας Active is I ruin, destroy, lose
Middle /Passive is I perish, die, am ruined

I've seen it translated "lose". That's okay. I believe "ruined" was put into the definition to satisfy a certain group of christians who won't accept the plain meaning of the word "perish".

 

[Timothew]

Matthew 10:40

ο δεχομενος υμας εμε δεχεται και ο εμε δεχομενος δεχεται τον αποστειλαντα με

the receives you me receives and the me receives receives the sent me

The one who receives you also receives me and the one who receives me also receives the one who sent me.

 

[Radagast]

I've seen it translated "lose".

The verb is ἀπόλλυμι (see LSJ), meaning destroy utterly, demolish, ruin, lose (one's life). The prefix ἀπό intensifies another verb that already meant "destroy utterly" or "kill."

The ESV gets it right, I think, with the translation you mention: Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

 

[Timothew]

The verb is ἀπόλλυμι (see LSJ), meaning destroy utterly, demolish, ruin, lose (one's life). The prefix ἀπό intensifies another verb that already meant "destroy utterly" or "kill."

The ESV gets it right, I think, with the translation you mention: Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Yes, loss of life. This is not merely misplaced, like a lost coin.

 

[Radagast]

Yes, loss of life. This is not merely misplaced, like a lost coin.

Exactly.

I do notice that the same word is used for a lost coin in Luke 15:8-9, but there (in the context of the parable) the coin is a metaphor.

 

[Timothew]

Exactly.

I do notice that the same word is used for a lost coin in Luke 15:8-9, but there (in the context of the parable) the coin is a metaphor.

I know, but losing a coin results in a lost coin. Maybe a loss of about $0.25 but a loss of life results in death. That's why I didn't want to say "lose his life will find it." Loss of life is destructive. Loss of a coin is merely wasteful.

 

[he-man]

I know, but losing a coin results in a lost coin. Maybe a loss of about $0.25 but a loss of life results in death. That's why I didn't want to say "lose his life will find it." Loss of life is destructive. Loss of a coin is merely wasteful.

Loss of life is also wasteful!

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]καταναλισκον consume eat or drink; destroy; use up, demolish, lay waste, wipe out, annihilate[/FONT][/FONT]

ὁ εὑρὼν τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἀπολέσει αὐτήν ​

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Mt. 10:39​

The one who finds his life will lose it.​

Action Coincident with that of the Main Verb
[New Testament Greek]

 

[Timothew]

Loss of life is also wasteful!

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]καταναλισκον consume eat or drink; destroy; use up, demolish, lay waste, wipe out, annihilate[/FONT][/FONT]


ὁ εὑρὼν τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἀπολέσει αὐτήν

Mt. 10:39

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The one who finds his life will lose it.​

Action Coincident with that of the Main Verb
[New Testament Greek]​

wasteful AND destructive, not just wasteful.

gradyll, dollarsbill and sophrosyne have illogical beliefs that I don't want to get near.
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