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With the attitude of many here, were Paul Coruch to release TBN's financial records, it would be a disaster. Like a Salem witch hunt, you would NOT be looking for any good thing. And, so, you would not find it. Every little molehill would be blown into a mountain, just as is happening now. And you would be far, far too blinded by bitterness, envy and self-righteousness (and swayed by propaganda, and gossip) to see the problem in your logic, even when it were pointed out to you, sort of like now.
I would also submit that because TBN is a Christian organization (supposedly), I think that it deserves more scrutiny than other organizations. It's not because I'm paranoid or have it in for Christian evangelists. It'sFirst of all, Gamaliel's advice comes within the context of saving human life and has nothing to do with pointing out questionable handling of financial assets. No Christian I know wants to see any member of the TBN family physically harmed. Acts 5:33 specifically says that the council was ready to "slay" the apostles for the things they said. Gamaliel's interference was no doubt intended to assuage further violence. The New Testament also shows us that the apostle Paul, one of Gamaliel's prize students, did not even heed his former schoolmaster's advice. In fact, Paul made it a point to personally confront those he felt were in error.
May I conclude by saying that even though people who are sympathetic to the cause of TBN may cite Gamaliel as "proof" that Christians should not critique such ministries, the fact is that these same people have had no problem criticizing Christian ministries that hold other professed Christian ministries accountable.
If one wishes to interpret Gamaliel's comment in such a manner, they need to recognize that it goes both ways.
Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner
But I don't think it's wrong to be 'rich'. And that last sentence makes it sound as if God DOESN'T want us to be rich.
Whatever your interpretation of Job, remember how he was BEFORE all that happened, and AFTER...he was RICH on the earth and probably got a better family too
Imagine if just a FEW mature Christians were as wealthy as Bill Gates...
Jesus said before He returned the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached throughout all the earth.
I know for a fact that Kenneth Copeland AND Bill Winston have stated that prosperity is about discemination, not accumulation.
God wants people to be open to receive His blessings...to have enough for themselves and 'overflow' to speed up the spreading of the gospel.
THAT is prosperity IMO...
You assume a lot. You seem to think that this is all about jealousy and bitterness. It's not.With the attitude of many here, were Paul Coruch to release TBN's financial records, it would be a disaster. Like a Salem witch hunt, you would NOT be looking for any good thing. And, so, you would not find it. Every little molehill would be blown into a mountain, just as is happening now. And you would be far, far too blinded by bitterness, envy and self-righteousness (and swayed by propaganda, and gossip) to see the problem in your logic, even when it were pointed out to you, sort of like now.
being rich isn't a sin, and neither is it wrong to make a living from the gospel, but there is such a thing as excess and misrepresentationWell, being rich isn't a sin. But I think that prosperity should be used more for the poor and for Christian ministries than for ourselves - as someone else pointed out. The TBN people seem to believe that it's all about financial wealth.
Ringo
If you're talking about TBN in terms of excess, YES.being rich isn't a sin, and neither is it wrong to make a living from the gospel, but there is such a thing as excess and misrepresentation
I mean anyone that can live a lavish lifestyle of the donations of others. Now if they were upfront about it, that would be fine. But I wonder how many people would knowingly give to someone that would use the money to dock their boat in Balboa Harbor?If you're talking about TBN in terms of excess, YES.
Ringo
I mean anyone that can live a lavish lifestyle of the donations of others. Now if they were upfront about it, that would be fine. But I wonder how many people would knowingly give to someone that would use the money to dock their boat in Balboa Harbor?
Me too. I want Christian TV. I was watching TBN last night in fact, someone I respect. But I won't give to TBN.That's my problem. I've watched parts of sharathons. When they beg for money, they show video of Paul Crouch at a transmitter in a foreign land or they talk about all the souls their bringing into the kingdom. They never mention taking tens of millions of that donated money and sinking it into a division that is losing all that money!
It is the misrepresentation of where that money is going that angers me.
being rich isn't a sin, and neither is it wrong to make a living from the gospel, but there is such a thing as excess and misrepresentation
If TBN would do that, no problem. The fact that they won't, seems alittle suspect to me.
If they are above board, no problem. If they are trying to hide what they are doing with donated money, there is a problem.
what, did you fart or something? are we allowed to say "fart?"Huh, what?
Was my post deleted?
*gasp! I was just watching TBN and um..shoot, what is the show...Paul Jr. was on there EXPLAINING what the are doing with their finances!! HOW dare he!?!?!? BEING honest ON air??? *gasp! Don't know if I can handle it... Now to think of the name of the show..hang on...ah, yes, Behind the Scenes!! IMAGINE that!
God is glorified through many things, the kind of car you drive is not one of them. Do you think Solomon's wealth really glorified God? Changed lives glorified God, that is point about the woman that anointed His feet, if you think it is about the cost of what she used, well, we have no common ground for discussion.
Honestly, if Paul would release his financial statements, it would simply confirm what many already are aware of. They are obvious in their indulgence and excess. I do not donate to TBN because they purchase Bentley's and mansions, unnecessarily.
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