God's Boot Camp

[Letalis]

Well, in my post I did not define "many",which is my fault. This term is one of those nebulous ones in that it can mean anything to anyone. I would say that "many" in the way I meant it was that there are enough who are taught to hate that it is significant to be a serious concern to people who are possibly affected/harmed by that hate. If you were a Jew living in a town of 3000 people and, let's say 10 people verbally assaulted you. Would you just say it's a tiny insignificant minority, or would you think it just might go a bit deeper, and you have reason to fear your safety. Having lived in the south, I can guarantee you it does.

When you say "many" in relation to a group, it usually means a significant number of that group. True...significant is subjective, but I think there is a general range. Would you say 1% is "many?" Or 2%?

So, you can see "many" is a relative term. Sorry for not fully defining it, but if you look back that was in no way your initial concern and you only seemed to bring it up after I addressed your initial questions.

Absolutely...discussions and debates tend to move. If you bring up a point, there is usually a counterpoint. If you bring up the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazis, then I'd say it's entirely relevant to bring up the fact that you said "many Christians," when in fact those groups are fringe minorities.

As I said, it was disingenuous.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

When you say "many" in relation to a group, it usually means a significant number of that group. True...significant is subjective, but I think there is a general range. Would you say 1% is "many?" Or 2%?

Again, depends on the situation. I defined what I think is many. How many Christians teaching hate do you thinki is not many? Couldn't be this a case of "if there is one, there are too many?"

Absolutely...discussions and debates tend to move. If you bring up a point, there is usually a counterpoint. If you bring up the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazis, then I'd say it's entirely relevant to bring up the fact that you said "many Christians," when in fact those groups are fringe minorities.

Ok, but we so far are only posting relatively short posts. I brought up the KKK and neo-Nazis because they directly answered your question. If it was important, most people would have included "many" in the first post as a point of contention. As it is, your post seems disingenuous because you bring up a point you think is in contention only after I refute your first point. Seemed like moving the goalposts to me.

As I said, it was disingenuous.

If I had been trying to deceive people, I would agree with you. As it is, I quickly typed a post and didn't completely define my term (imagine such a thing on the Internet. Next thing, I'll be makeing speling arrores.). I wasn't trying to fool anyone, so I was not disingenuous.

 

[Dannager]

With as much junk and trash that is thrown at them constantly and on a daily basis, I'd much rather see them following the Lord as opposed to following what the media/advertisers currently portray as "cool" and 'normal' anyday.

I'd much rather see them actually following Christ's example instead of being brainwashed by ignorant parents and indoctrinated by authority figures they respect.

 

[draper]

Could anyone provide me with links/sources on Martin Luther being an anti-semite, just for my own information?

 

[BeautyForAshes]

I'd much rather see them actually following Christ's example instead of being brainwashed by ignorant parents and indoctrinated by authority figures they respect.

That is your opinion is terms of "brainwashed" but whatever...

 

[stray bullet]

Could anyone provide me with links/sources on Martin Luther being an anti-semite, just for my own information?

Martin Luther did not hate jews as a race. He had extremely harsh words towards followers of Judism, however.

 

[Randombitsofstring]

Was anyone else a little bit disturb about the one kid saying he “wanted more out of life”

Words just can not describe how I feel about that. He’s what? 7 or 8 years old? And he wants “more out of life”? How can he even understand what the phrase even means? If he is wanting more out of life now I have the horrible feeling he is going to be burned out by the time he is 15.

Sad really. This was the sort of stuff my parents pushed on me and it turned me off religion.

 

[flicka]

I was disturbed by the clips I saw and I'd really love to believe this is just a small minority. I worry though because my own daughter went to a bible camp 3 years ago with a fairly liberal non denominational church group. One of the speakers they brought in spoke about relationships (mostly how teenagers shouldn't have them leading to a rash of post-camp breakups, lol) and roles. At one point he actually brought a broom up on the platform with him and told the girls that was their role, like it or not. She also said that even at her age (16), knowing what she knew, by the 3rd day there she actually found herself agreeing with what was being taught like everyone else seemed to be doing. Fortunately, after the broom incident, she decided to stop going to the services, hid out in her cabin the rest of the week and never attended a church function again.

 

[platzapS]

I was disturbed by the clips I saw and I'd really love to believe this is just a small minority. I worry though because my own daughter went to a bible camp 3 years ago with a fairly liberal non denominational church group. One of the speakers they brought in spoke about relationships (mostly how teenagers shouldn't have them leading to a rash of post-camp breakups, lol) and roles. At one point he actually brought a broom up on the platform with him and told the girls that was their role, like it or not. She also said that even at her age, knowing what she knew, by the 3rd day there she actually found herself agreeing with what was being taught like everyone else seemed to be doing. Fortunately, after the broom incident, she decided to stop going to the services, hid out in her cabin the rest of the week and never attended a church function again.

What?!
Must...not...call....speakers...mean...names.

 

[Dannager]

That is your opinion is terms of "brainwashed" but whatever...

When a child grows up with a plainly incorrect understanding of the world around him as a direct result of an authority figure's teachings there is no other word for it than brainwashed. A child taught that evolution is a creation of the devil and a lie, for example, is being brainwashed.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Could anyone provide me with links/sources on Martin Luther being an anti-semite, just for my own information?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_luther

Martin Luther did not hate jews as a race. He had extremely harsh words towards followers of Judism, however.

Read the link. He was quite hateful of Jews as a race and pretty much anything even remotely tied to Judaism.

In his 60,000-word pamphlet[79] On the Jews and Their Lies, published in 1543 as Von den Juden und ihren Lügen, Luther spoke of the need to set synagogues on fire, destroy Jewish prayerbooks, forbid rabbis from preaching, seize Jews' property and money, smash and destroy their homes, and ensure that these "poisonous envenomed worms" be forced into labor or expelled "for all time."[80] Four centuries later, a first edition of the pamphlet was given to Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer, by the city of Nuremberg in honor of his birthday in 1937. The newspaper later described the pamphlet as the most radically anti-Semitic tract ever published, [81] a view that is shared by contemporary scholars.[82] The German philosopher Karl Jaspers said of it: "There you already have the whole Nazi program."[83]

 

[Quijote]

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Are you raising up Christian terrorists or another Hitler Youth Movement?

This is probably the most frustrating and exasperating part of this film for me. This is the conclusion people are coming to when they see the trailer, and I have to say that if I was not a believer in Christ and I saw nothing but the trailer, I would probably come away with the same impression.


There's a clip in the trailer that shows me with my arms raised up and I'm shouting, "This means war!" That came during a prayer time at the end of one of our services where I spoke on the battle we wage against sin and temptation we fight on a daily basis. We had spoken about the challenges of keeping our minds and our hearts pure in a world that throws all kinds of mental and visual trash at us all the time. But out of context it could be taken to mean anything!

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Surely you're not suggesting that the filmakers took a scene out of context?