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Well, I don't care who drives the car, 240k for a car is flat out ridiculous. It's a flaunt of your money, otherwise you could drive a new Hyundai and still glorify God.
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thus far we are on the same page. SO, what do we do? Sit here and talk about it, or write and express our concern to TBN?!? Just a thought.You just can't win for losing, huh?
1) Obsessed is a very strong word. How do you conclude 'obsession'? If we count the number of posts in both of these threads, I think you come out ahead.
2) My concern for people's salvation does not cancel out my concern for Truth or my concern for those people being led astray by lies. I am concerned with the sheep being fleeced by the supposed 'shepherds'. The shepherds should know better. It concerns me that they are in error, but it concerns me more that they are killing the sheep they are supposed to be caring for. My heart is for the sheep.
I agree. Shoot, that would pay my house/bills etc off..and I could do ALOT with that! I wouldn't drive around in a car that expensive either..but I would have a nice new car...Well, I don't care who drives the car, 240k for a car is flat out ridiculous. It's a flaunt of your money, otherwise you could drive a new Hyundai and still glorify God.
thus far we are on the same page. SO, what do we do? Sit here and talk about it, or write and express our concern to TBN?!? Just a thought.
oh no doubt about thatAgreed. Still, we ARE talking about personal opinion and not scriptural fact. I can think of worse indictments a ministry could face.
Well, I do agree that TBN is not representative of anything -- including Christianity.
Hi Ringo...I'm sure you have seen my other thread on this; "TBN: Prove it".
If you do have a link, please post it there--I'm trying to create a repository of articles and such that might have proof on these accusations.
And Word of Faith is about confidence[faith] in God; taking what He says seriously.
And His goodness.
Whatever misrepresentations you may see on TBN is NOT the totality of all WOF everywhere.
If you disagree with some 'core' teachers like Jesse Duplantis and Kenneth Copeland, well, that's your choice.
Well, I do agree that TBN is not representative of anything -- including Christianity.
I didn't mean to offend, if that's what I did. As I said: I don't have a problem with those who believe in WOF doctrine, but the doctrine itself. I don't blame you for the dishonesty of people such as Tilton; that'd be wrong. And when I said that WOF was h*retical, I meant the TBN version - not yours.
I would argue, however, that WOF does seem to be unusually focused on money more than actual Christianity. At least the WOF I've seen. It's all about acquisition of money. Well, there's nothing wrong with having money - God wants us to have what we need. But rich? I don't think so.
Well, I don't care who drives the car, 240k for a car is flat out ridiculous. It's a flaunt of your money, otherwise you could drive a new Hyundai and still glorify God.
I agree. Shoot, that would pay my house/bills etc off..and I could do ALOT with that! I wouldn't drive around in a car that expensive either..but I would have a nice new car...
These are slippery slope arguments. On whose standards are you basing this on?
I'm glad someone said it.
Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner
It is not glorifying God that a Christian is driving a 240k car.
These are slippery slope arguments. On whose standards are you basing this on?
How much of your income would a Hyundai account for, percentage-wise? For many of us, the vehicles that we drive/own/finance represents >20% of our income.
How much money, as a percentage, should I be giving/tithing to the church or ministry or Christian organization or charitable causes? Or to put it in another way, at the end of the day, how much of my money do I get to keep for my own living, as a percentage? (And please don't spiritualize it by saying it all belongs to God - all of us get to keep our money in our pocket to live on.)
So if at the end of the day, after I've given/tithed as above to every reasonable and conceivable ministry, no mortgage, no long term debt, little short term debt, pension fund topped up, college fund provided, I can still afford a $240,000 car because it accounts for <1% of my income, who are you to judge me?
Really? Do you have a biblical reference that says this? Didn't God bless Solomon with great wealth? And David?
I don't care what kind of car he drives, I'm not jealous of him at all, or anyone else for that matter. I hope all of my brothers and sisters prosper, including you, (although, if you use it to attack your family members, you might not find much leverage with God in this respect.)
All of this judgement going on, it got me thinking, I really need to send TBN another $100.00, well, mabey I'll make it $200.00.
What wonderful fruit came off of that tree this year with the release of 'One Night With The King'.
Thanx for the advertising though, I may not have thought about it if it wasn't for ya'll, advertising their accomplishments like this.
God bless...
I think you're way off base. It's not about having enough money to buy a fancy car. The question is: should you? Is there any reason for a Christian - who is supposed to live a modest life - to own a vehicle that costs even $100,000...much less $240,000? I mean, how can you even defend such an extravagant lifestyle? Where does Mr. Crouch get his money? From people who are giving money to TBN with the notion that their funds are going to help send missionaries to foreign countries? Or, are people sending money to TBN so that Paul can give some to his son...so his son can buy him another fast car...cause God is just oh so good? Why can't he be content with what he has? The money could be spent on other things that minister to other people who may be having a hard time. Ever thought of that? The apostle Paul bent over backwards not to place a burden on the shoulders of his people by not asking for monetary pleasures ... although he could have used his authority to do such. He knew how to be content. What? Matthew isn't content with 8 vehicles? He needs another one that costs $240,000? C'mon man. You can't honestly tell me that you don't see a problem here.
Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner
It might be a problem for you, and if it is, then I encourage you to follow your own conscience.
I don't think you have much cause for complaint, as I am willing to bet that you haven't given them money. I have, and I do, and it doesn't bother me in the least.
But I also encourage you not to judge another mans conscience. As Paul also said:
29...why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
30For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
31Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
-1 Corinthians 10:29-31
Not to mention, in spite of yours and others condemnation of the work of God through this (and other ministries), TBN has become the largest religious network in the world, with well over 5,000 stations and affiliates worldwide. (Insert the wails and cries of all haters here...)
As the 'rich american christians' sit around and complain about the 'richer american christians', God is using this wealth and network to influence and bring into the kingdom of God whole nations.
But the anger of the naysayers never stopped God before, and it isn't now. As Gamaliel said to the Jews when they were debating what to do about the apostles:
34Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;
38And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: 39But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
-Acts 5:34-39
These are slippery slope arguments. On whose standards are you basing this on?
How much of your income would a Hyundai account for, percentage-wise? For many of us, the vehicles that we drive/own/finance represents >20% of our income.
How much money, as a percentage, should I be giving/tithing to the church or ministry or Christian organization or charitable causes? Or to put it in another way, at the end of the day, how much of my money do I get to keep for my own living, as a percentage? (And please don't spiritualize it by saying it all belongs to God - all of us get to keep our money in our pocket to live on.)
So if at the end of the day, after I've given/tithed as above to every reasonable and conceivable ministry, no mortgage, no long term debt, little short term debt, pension fund topped up, college fund provided, I can still afford a $240,000 car because it accounts for <1% of my income, who are you to judge me?
Well if he is really doing God's work, then he should release them and not worry about the fallout.With the attitude of many here, were Paul Coruch to release TBN's financial records, it would be a disaster. Like a Salem witch hunt, you would NOT be looking for any good thing. And, so, you would not find it. Every little molehill would be blown into a mountain, just as is happening now. And you would be far, far too blinded by bitterness, envy and self-righteousness (and swayed by propaganda, and gossip) to see the problem in your logic, even when it were pointed out to you, sort of like now.
God is glorified through many things, the kind of car you drive is not one of them. Do you think Solomon's wealth really glorified God? Changed lives glorified God, that is point about the woman that anointed His feet, if you think it is about the cost of what she used, well, we have no common ground for discussion.Really? Do you have a biblical reference that says this? Didn't God bless Solomon with great wealth? And David?
I don't care what kind of car he drives, I'm not jealous of him at all, or anyone else for that matter. I hope all of my brothers and sisters prosper, including you, (although, if you use it to attack your family members, you might not find much leverage with God in this respect.)
All of this judgement going on, it got me thinking, I really need to send TBN another $100.00, well, mabey I'll make it $200.00.
What wonderful fruit came off of that tree this year with the release of 'One Night With The King'.
Thanx for the advertising though, I may not have thought about it if it wasn't for ya'll, advertising their accomplishments like this.
God bless...
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