Math is racist

[Quid est Veritas?]

What "other systems"? I'm fully conversant with mathematics from multiple cultures, and it's all the same mathematics. There is no culture where 2+2=5.

If you disagree, feel free to find some branch of ethnomathematics that is incompatible with standard mathematics.



Of course it is.



But the axioms, in the case of numbers, are self-evident.

Once again, if you disagree, feel free to find some branch of ethnomathematics that is incompatible with standard mathematics.

It is not incompatible, but it is not the same.

Older forms of Medicine are also not incompatible, seeing that their overall goals of Health are similar, and often consist of useful and practical treatments that we can relate to Modern Medicine - but at some point it breaks down. Ancient Egyptians had antiseptic treatments, but they had no inkling of Antisepsis as concept. I cannot do modern algebra in ancient Greek or Roman notation, without importing notable elements and concepts. You could argue they were not invented yet, sure, but it also means that that body of mathematics is not equivalent of ours, though I can express it therein.

 

[Quartermaine]

In summation - someone from what may possibly be a news source took a single tweet out of the context of the conversation it was happening in and tacked on an ad hominem attack against black lives matter and the link is posted here with a click bait (and false) OP title.

 

[Hammster]

In summation - someone from what may possibly be a news source took a single tweet out of the context of the conversation it was happening in and tacked on an ad hominem attack against black lives matter and the link is posted here with a click bait (and false) OP title.

I went back and looked at my OP. I never mentioned BLM. But if you can find where I did, feel free to quote me.

 

[Quartermaine]

I went back and looked at my OP. I never mentioned BLM. But if you can find where I did, feel free to quote me.

please reread my statement: i noted that the (possible) news source added the attack on BLM.

 

[Radagast]

It is not incompatible, but it is not the same.

There is only one mathematics, although of course human knowledge of that mathematics grows over time.

That's why you can't actually identify any other "way of knowing" about numbers, or any branch of ethnomathematics that is incompatible with standard mathematics.

Older forms of Medicine are also not incompatible

In medicine, different conceptual frameworks come into play: one group has techniques to manipulate chakras, or humours, or chi; and another group denies that such things even exist.

But that's quite a different topic to mathematics, and a complete red herring in the context of this discussion. Mathematical statements are necessarily true, therefore true in every possible universe, and indeed eternally true. Medical statements are contingent on the nature of the human body in the universe that we happen to occupy.

 

[Hammster]

please reread my statement: i noted that the (possible) news source added the attack on BLM.

My mistake. I misread your post.

On that note, the news source is not the issue. Trying to discredit the source is a a fallacy. But if it will help you to focus on the topic, I’ll have the thread moved to The Kitchen Sink.

 

[Radagast]

please reread my statement: i noted that the (possible) news source added the attack on BLM.

There was no "attack on BLM." The website simply quoted from the self-description of the person posting the tweet.

 

[chevyontheriver]

2+2 can also equal 11, imagine that.

In base3 all day long. But in what base can 2+2=5?

 

[essentialsaltes]

There is only one mathematics

Is it Euclidean or non-Euclidean?

 

[Halbhh]

Not the Bee: Teacher, BLM activist says "2 + 2 = 4" is a "cultural" belief based on "western imperialism/colonization"

Yep. It’s true.

Stepping out for a bigger look past only the 1 example....I'm still surprised at the idea that people, a lot of people, seem to think that even the most well supported science theories (which have been supported by evidence and extensively tested and survived the testing), such as General Relativity for instance...

That many seem to think these are just inventions or notions, or arbitrary, so that they could be replaced with some other invention for instance. (Even though it's possible to state well established science theories in many equivalent forms, the forms are merely transforms of each other, and can be quickly derived mathematically from each other -- they are equal, one and the same.)

Many seem to believe that science is just opinion, basically.

But the most well established theories are accurate (precise) representations of the real, hard, stable reality around us.

They touch absolute reality. Accurately.

Gravity works, and it is always present. It's not opinion.

How is it that people can fantasize otherwise?

 

[renniks]

Not the Bee: Teacher, BLM activist says "2 + 2 = 4" is a "cultural" belief based on "western imperialism/colonization"

Yep. It’s true.

I was going to say but you can't make this stuff up, but the fact that it was fiction long before happening...I guess you can make it up, but it's still hard to fathom how ridiculous it has gotten.

 

[Radagast]

Is it Euclidean or non-Euclidean?

Both Euclidean and non-Euclidean geometries are part of standard mathematics. Euclidean geometry describes Euclidean space, and non-Euclidean geometry describes a curved manifold embedded in Euclidean space.

 

[Radagast]

In base3 all day long. But in what base can 2+2=5?

Exactly.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Both Euclidean and non-Euclidean geometries are part of standard mathematics.

So you would agree that the truth and falsity of statements like "parallel lines never meet" can depend on choices made by the mathematician for a particular problem? It is not absolutely true, unless one explicitly states something about the system you've chosen to work in.

Euclidean geometry describes Euclidean space, and non-Euclidean geometry describes a curved manifold embedded in Euclidean space.

Are you asserting some primacy of Euclidean space? There is no need to embed anything.

 

[Radagast]

So you would agree that the truth and falsity of statements like "parallel lines never meet" can depend on choices made by the mathematician for a particular problem?

It all depends on what you mean by "line."

Are you asserting some primacy of Euclidean space? There is no need to embed anything.

The embedding theorems are a fact.

 

[Arcangl86]

Exactly.

You are the one who came up with the specific example of 2+2=5. There isn't a number system I'm aware of where that is true, but 2+2=11 and 2+2=10 are both valid expressions. The base that is used in a positional system is cultural, not absolute.

 

[durangodawood]

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Dumb is saying dumb thing.

Dumber is making a big fuss about a dumb thing one random person says.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It all depends on what you mean by "line."

If there's only one mathematics, I don't think you'd need to ask.

The embedding theorems are a fact.

It's a fact that you can make a bijection between the positive integers and the odd integers, but it doesn't mean the positive integers are 'really' odd.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Not the Bee: Teacher, BLM activist says "2 + 2 = 4" is a "cultural" belief based on "western imperialism/colonization"

Yep. It’s true.

"I said in my alarm, Every man is a liar!" This sentence is a lie logic.

 

[bekkilyn]

You are the one who came up with the specific example of 2+2=5. There isn't a number system I'm aware of where that is true, but 2+2=11 and 2+2=10 are both valid expressions. The base that is used in a positional system is cultural, not absolute.

Yep, and 2+2 can also be 0.

People really need to stop using 2+2=4 to try to show universal truth because that's a foundation built on sand.