Mastrubation and fornification

[Outspoken]

fornication? i'm pretty sure that's a big no-no.

masturbation though...yeah...that's tough. my take is if you're addicted and cannot get your mind off of it, then you should probably stop. if god thinks you should stop, he'll make it loud and clear.



hmm...not really. if masturbation is indeed so terrible, why isn't there a single reference to it in the bible? all the other terrible sexual sins are pretty well defined. doesn't it make sense that if god thought it was an important issue he'd devote at least *something* to it in the bible?

He doesn't specifically mention drugs either, but that was around then too. The problem is that, if you want to get down to it, is that guys think lustful thoughts, then touch, and from what my friends tell me (in conversation honestly) it is the same for women. Thus it is sin.

 

[British One]

I agree. I don't think the actual physical act of touching yourself is sinful - but the lustful desires of the mind which accompany touching yourself ARE sinful.

 

[paintballbird]

I've read through all of the posts with interest.
I'm not too hot on the masturbation thing, but pray about it and if you feel guilty, it can't be right can it? (WWJD ? )

Isn't there something that says that the best way to witness is through your actions? I'm the only Christian out of my group of friends and just about everyone I know at work. Ok, so sometimes my behaviour may slip a bit (especially if alcohol is involved..) but all of my friends and most of my colleagues know that I abstain from sex before marriage. I have found that people respect that more than anything else, especially in today's society.
I have never been out with a Christian, but have always had good long term relationships, and because there was never the complication of the physical side, I am still best mates with my exs!
Hey, if you don't know the answer, ask Someone who does....

 

[chozo]

Bah...all of this. Gimme a break. You can't really stop "lustful thoughts". You're going to have them. If you're a human and currently living in this day and time...you are going to have them. You must understand that religion changes as time changes. They used to do masses a ton differently than now...a lot of things change..50 years ago it was wrong to show Elvis' hips swinging back and forth. Everyone said it was a big no-no and so on.

Nowadays sexuality is very open and not so hush. You learn about your body and how it works and learn that masturbation is actually good for you. It's healthy, leave it alone. But then again when you think about it, back in Jesus' time, they would get married and have kids themselves as teens. Around the time that touch would take place. So they didn't need to touch...guys had wives and vice-versa. Not only that, since they had wifes they wouldn't covet another's wife and have lustful thoughts of them. They already have a wife. When you have a girlfriend or boyfriend, do you covet other peoples girlfriends/boyfriends? No? That's what I thought. Sure there may be the odd one...but meh. For the most part, this explanation works.

People need to lighten up and think about all of this. It's not so wrong where if you do it you're going to go to Hell.

 

[bugg_superstar]

He doesn't specifically mention drugs either

i dunno...i'm pretty sure alcohol is a drug and it's mentioned plenty of times throughout the bible...

 

[Outspoken]

i dunno...i'm pretty sure alcohol is a drug and it's mentioned plenty of times throughout the bible...

please show me where is specifically mentions LSD. The logic you're using is that it must be a direct and specific mentioning, thus lies your flaw.

 

[bugg_superstar]

i fail to see the flaw here. the bible is silent about masturbation. end of story.

 

[AdJesumPerMariam]

i fail to see the flaw here. the bible is silent about masturbation. end of story.

Is masturbation natural?

Love-n-Blessings
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[bugg_superstar]

well...since we have hands and genitals, i'd have to say yes.

 

[billwald]

If it itches, scratch it.

 

[British One]

i fail to see the flaw here. the bible is silent about masturbation. end of story.

Its silent about cannibalism as well, but do we do that?

 

[567234ta]

Strictly speaking, sinfulness happens when you fall short of the good beings that God has made you to be. The root of it is self-centeredness. Whenever we make selfish decisions, we are tending toward sin. Whenever we act in the best interests of others (selflessness), then we are tending toward Godliness. Does this make sense? You will also find that when you tend to be selfless...your experience will naturally be far more pleasurable than the experiences produced out of self-centeredness.

Masturbation: I suppose that at its core, this is a kind of selfish endeavor. But lets be careful not to exaggerate the case. It is obviously quite natural to arrive at an event like this by simply exploring your own sexuality. In that sense I would say it is clearly not sinful. However, when it becomes an obsession, and you find that you are constantly wanting for what you do not have...then you will find that when you lose yourself in this obsession, it could lead to quite negative outcomes. It may cause you to obsess about your own pleasure during the real sexual act instead of focussing on the pleasure of your partner. IOW, it may disrupt the sexual pleasure that a healthy relationship would bring.

Fornication: This one is tougher to get a clear handle on. But you need to consider this as your guide: do you seek sex merely to satisfy your own desire (a selfish motive) or do you seek it because it leads to the betterment of your partner(s)? Keep in mind that 'betterment' does not imply making them happy for a while. It means this: are they are made better people by engaging in this kind of relationship?

My experience is this: casual sex is generally a selfish endeavor...and in the long run it does not bear good fruit. Lets not quibble over 'right' and 'wrong' for two consenting adults. Simply try to take an objective look at the long term benefits or detriments to such activity. Can you identify any benefits? If not, then perhaps its worth carefully considering such activity before engaging in it hap-hazardly.

very well said, i tried to reply to a post about touching yourself but i was in the wrong area, so i found this one to say what im gonna say about it.
the title was does touching yourself mean your not a virgin or something.

virginity means purity, would it bother you if your wife or husband masterbated?
now ask would it bother you if your wife or husband had sexual intercourse with another person.
Christ is about life and fulfillment. not about stifiling your feelings.
i can pretend that i dont have sexual urges and feelings, but then i go and do it again and feel the guilt. thats how many people are, we have been taught to believe this stuff. what am i a robot? im not supposed to feel passion and love?
remaining a virgin until marriage is for your mate.
who wants to marry a used up hooker, not me.
when you think of who your wife had before you does it bother you? if you really love her it does, and it kinda puts hate in your heart, and thats not a good thing. thats truth plain and simple just as Jesus has shown us he is the truth. seek him in all ways of your life. in everything you see find the truth of it and you will find Jesus. never very easy though.the truth sucks only because we are raised to be liars.

 

[bugg_superstar]

Its silent about cannibalism as well, but do we do that?

if you can prove that masturbation is as deliberately harmful to others as cannibalism, then maybe your statement will have some validity.

edit for clarity: donner party cannibalism or german just for kicks cannibalism?

 

[Natro]

if you can prove that masturbation is as deliberately harmful to others as cannibalism, then maybe your statement will have some validity.

Cannibalism isn't harmful to others if their already dead.

 

[taedium]

Cannibalism isn't very healthy, you can pick up nasty diseases by eating your own. So it's harmful to the self if other edible material is available.

 

[British One]

if you can prove that masturbation is as deliberately harmful to others as cannibalism, then maybe your statement will have some validity.

edit for clarity: donner party cannibalism or german just for kicks cannibalism?

God is just concerned with giving us laws to protect others - but he gives us rules to protect ourselves - and cut ourselves off from sin.

 

[Kirei]

If you don't have a partner, masturbation is all right I suppose. If you're male, you'll end up having wet dreams if you don't, so the end result is the same (don't know about female and wet dreams, but if masturbation is all right for the male it's all right for the female).
As for fornication... I guess it's a new experience, so it can't be too bad as long as it doesn't become an habit. Fornication to broaden your horizons is all right. Fornication for fornication's sake is sin.

 

[professor frink]

Cannibalism isn't very healthy, you can pick up nasty diseases by eating your own.

Back in the days of the plague this was true, but not at all today.

 

[wonderboy92577]

Back in the days of the plague this was true, but not at all today.

Dunno. What about Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease?

 

[professor frink]

Dunno. What about Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease?

There are what, 19 cases of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease known in the the world right now? Not enough to cause concern I don't think. Nonetheless, we should be able to come up with some better arguments against canniblism than disease transmission.