Mary

[FenderTL5]

Obviously someone wasnt interested in answering, that was all the indication i needed.

What do you mean exactly? Could you expound, in laymans terms?

The Third Ecumenical Council was held in Ephesus, in the year 431, and was concerned with Nestorianism.

According to the Council, Nestorianism overemphasized the human nature of Christ at the expense of the divine. Nestorius taught that the Virgin Mary gave birth to a man, Jesus Christ, not God the Logos. Meaning the Virgin Mary should be called Christotokos ("Mother of Christ") and not Theotokos ("Birth-giver of God").

The Council decreed that Christ was one person, not two separate "people": fully God and fully man, with a rational soul and body. The Virgin Mary is Theotokos because she gave birth not to a mere man but to God as a man.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

I see you have no answer.

There can't be any answer but "it's our tradition", which means, some men at some point of time came up with this practice.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Will you please pray for me?

Will you please listen to the words of Jesus Christ?

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

They didn't teach you to follow a false doctrine created by Martin Luther, that directly contradicts the word of God, but you have no problem following that. Go away.

Worshipping Mary is a grave sin of idolatry. It doesn't matter if the other brother or sister is from Lutheran or Wesleyan or whatever church. Only truth matters. And it's simple - worship GOD and GOD only.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

That does not change the fact that what you believe is a tradition of men (Martin Luther et. al)

Not true. I believe Jesus. Just read, please. And obey:

"This, then, is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven..."

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

That is perfectly fine by me because I do not worship Mary. You, on the other hand, worship yourself.

Please, obey God. Not me. I don't matter. I'm very sinful. GOD matters. His truth matters. Forever.

We should look at God, at His Son Jesus. NOT at people.

Go away.

One day will all go away for good. And will stand before God. And will answer to Him for obeying or not obeying HIM.

 

[W2L]

The Third Ecumenical Council was held in Ephesus, in the year 431, and was concerned with Nestorianism.

According to the Council, Nestorianism overemphasized the human nature of Christ at the expense of the divine. Nestorius taught that the Virgin Mary gave birth to a man, Jesus Christ, not God the Logos. Meaning the Virgin Mary should be called Christotokos ("Mother of Christ") and not Theotokos ("Birth-giver of God").

The Council decreed that Christ was one person, not two separate "people": fully God and fully man, with a rational soul and body. The Virgin Mary is Theotokos because she gave birth not to a mere man but to God as a man.

Straw man. I never mentioned a "birth giver". You seem to be misdirecting the argument by building a straw man.

 

[Alithis]

We are not interested in your man-made tradition that directly contradicts the word of God.

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

Deal with it.


This is stupidity. You don't know that. Is every word that Jesus ever spoke written in the Bible?


Your belief in "salvation by faith alone" is a tradition of men (Martin Luther) and directly contradicts the word of God.

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

Deal with it.

We are not interested in your man-made tradition that directly contradicts the word of God.

Name the scripture I have contradicted.

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

it is folly to answer before hearing a matter out. If never stated I disagree with the word of God.

This is stupidity. You don't know that. Is every word that Jesus ever spoke written in the Bible?

we do know he can't speak againzt his own word and remain true.and he would have to do so to tell some one to pray to woman born if the blood of Adam.

Your belief in "salvation by faith alone" is a tradition of men (Martin Luther) and directly contradicts the word of God.

Again you assume much..I don't adhere to lutheranism .
Faith is an action .not a stance

 

[Alithis]

Will you please pray for me?

The twisting manipulation of words your using to wrangle this False point is typical deviant trickery akin to a forked tongue.

You still can't ever show where the Lord Jesus ever even.hints that we should pray to Mary.

 

[Arsenios]

The twisting manipulation of words your using to wrangle this False point is typical deviant trickery akin to a forked tongue.

You still can't ever show where the Lord Jesus ever even.hints that we should pray to Mary.

Will you please pray for me?

Arsenios

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Yes, as I always do.

Always? Please don't say it with lips, show it in deed:

Will you please pray for me?

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

That is why I am NOT receiving YOUR words...

Do NOT receive my words! Receive GOD's words:

"Do not turn to the spirits of the dead and do not seek familiar spirits to become unclean by them. I am the LORD your God."

“You shall have no other gods before me."

“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below".

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Obey GOD!

 

[W2L]

I could not care less that you created the thread. I am not going anywhere. And you and your nonsense will. Deal with it.

ok.

 

[W2L]

At this point, my Brother, the ONLY issue is whether or not you are willing to pray for me...

I am unwilling to continue conversing with any self-professed Christian who is not willing to pray for me...

Christ commands us to pray even for our enemies...

Will you please pray for me?

Arsenios

You are spamming this thread.

 

[Phil 1:21]

"How the West was LOST..."

This is not the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Faith...

It is a part of the prodigality of western Latin Scholastic authoritarian innovations...

Arsenios

Thank you kindly for your clarification. Admittedly, I know nothing of Eastern Orthadox Catholicism, only the Roman Catholicism in which I was raised. I am glad to hear there is a part of Catholicism that does not engage in this type of thing. Godspeed.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

No, you do not believe Jesus.

You do not believe Him when He said:

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.​

You do not believe Him when He said:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.​

You do not believe Him when He said:

Take, eat; this is my body.
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.​

And you do not believe Him when He said many other things.

Thank you for the verses. Bless you Lord for quoting the Word of GOD.

I see absolutely no mentioning of worshiping and praying and icon-making and statue-making for Mary there...

Go away.

"Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment." (Hebrews 9:27)

We will all go away and stand before GOD in His judgement if we obeyed HIM or not.

 

[Albion]

No, you do not believe Jesus.

You do not believe Him when He said:

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.​

There's no basis for that conclusion. This verse can be understood in at least four distinct and recognized ways, all of which have long histories.

And the church which makes the most use of the one favored in your post didn't even think of it being a proof of universal jurisdiction or papal supremacy for itself until about four centuries after Christ. If it were as easily interpreted as we were told here that it is, this fact would be quite an oversight by the bishop of Rome, to say the least.​

 

[Phil 1:21]

Go away? Its my thread, you go away please.

Another straw man i see. I never followed or mentioned Martin Luther.

Brother, the Lord teaches us in Matthew 10:22 and 2 Timothy 3:12 that we will be attacked for our faith in Him. But He tells us in Matthew 5:43-48 to love those people, and in Matthew 5:39 to not respond in kind. For that reason I just smile, nod, and move along when PeaceB trolls my comments. I pray that one day our Lord and Savior will open his/her eyes to the truth, because acting the way he/she does here is not walking with Christ.

 

[FenderTL5]

Straw man. I never mentioned a "birth giver". You seem to be misdirecting the argument by building a straw man.

You still don't understand the issue.
You asked,

How Can the bride of Christ, and the mother of Christ, be the same person?

I answered that two-part question;
part one, the Bride of Christ is the Church (not Mary)
part two, The Theotokos (Mother of God, literally - God bearer) is the Virgin Mary.

I answered that way because calling the Virgin Mary "mother of Christ" as you did in the question is a reference to an ancient heresy that diminishes who Christ is.
It's likely that you did not know that since you needed an explanation. Maybe you learned a new tidbit today.