Mary

[Arsenios]

Thank you kindly for your clarification. Admittedly, I know nothing of Eastern Orthadox Catholicism, only the Roman Catholicism in which I was raised. I am glad to hear there is a part of Catholicism that does not engage in this type of thing. Godspeed.

Thank-you for your kind and attentive post...

The Eastern Orthodox Faith holds to the first 7 Ecumenical Councils of the generally undivided Church of the first thousand years of Christianity. The Latin Church, under the German Bishops who militantly took over the Latin Papacy at the end of the first millenium of Christianity, used the Primacy of Peter to assert their own false authority over the Body of Christ on earth. And they have wandered far, as all the rest of Orthodoxy, including those even not in the Eastern Orthodox Faith, continue to attest and rebuff by not permitting Communion with the Latin Communion.

We have kept the Faith from the beginnings unchanged, while the Latins under their own self-authority have imposed many false doctrines - Most notably Papal Superiority [instead of Primacy] and the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin...

Arsenios

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

At this point, my Brother, the ONLY issue is whether or not you are willing to pray for me...

I am unwilling to continue conversing with any self-professed Christian who is not willing to pray for me...

Christ commands us to pray even for our enemies...

Will you please pray for me?

Arsenios

This is a poisonous lie. Nobody here refused a prayer.

 

[W2L]

You still don't understand the issue.
You asked,
I answered that two-part question;
part one, the Bride of Christ is the Church (not Mary)
part two, The Theotokos (Mother of God, literally - God bearer) is the Virgin Mary.

I answered that way because calling the Virgin Mary "mother of Christ" as you did in the question is a reference to an ancient heresy that diminishes who Christ is.
It's likely that you did not know that since you needed an explanation. Maybe you learned a new tidbit today.

Its you who dont understand, please go back and research this thread. You are not seeing the whole conversation its seems.

 

[Arsenios]

You still don't understand the issue.
You asked,
I answered that two-part question;
part one, the Bride of Christ is the Church (not Mary)
part two, The Theotokos (Mother of God, literally - God bearer) is the Virgin Mary.

I answered that way because calling the Virgin Mary "mother of Christ" as you did in the question is a reference to an ancient heresy that diminishes who Christ is.
It's likely that you did not know that since you needed an explanation. Maybe you learned a new tidbit today.

Nice reply - Thank-you...

Hang in here if you would, at least for a while...

The Blessed Virgin is not the Body of Christ [Which is the Church].
She is a Figure of the Church Which functions in union with Christ Who is Her Head...
We are walking in Fields of great Mystery here...

Thank-you for your prayers...

Arsenios

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

My bad. Did I rudely interrupt the pharisaical “let us congratulate ourselves on how holier-than-thou we are compared to the idolaters” love fest?

If the posters in this thread want to act like gentlemen and like their parents raised them with an ounce of class, I am more than happy to have a civil discussion. But if someone want to get nasty and start throwing around accusations that have been made in this thread, we can do that too. I prefer the former, myself.

It doesn't matter. We're all sinful, I hope we all can agree that much.

The topic of discussion is weather or not Mary should be worshipped/venerated, prayed to, made into icons and statues to kiss/kneel in front etc. etc.

According to Jesus, no she should not be.

That's it.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Nice reply - Thank-you...

Hang in here if you would, at least for a while...

The Blessed Virgin is not the Body of Christ [Which is the Church].
She is a Figure of the Church Which functions in union with Christ Who is Her Head...
We are walking in Fields of great Mystery here...

Thank-you for your prayers...

Arsenios

The Blessed Mary is no object of worship, only GOD is. Because she's a human being. Only GOD must be prayed to, worshiped, venerated, deified.

 

[FenderTL5]

Nice reply - Thank-you...

Hang in here if you would, at least for a while...

The Blessed Virgin is not the Body of Christ [Which is the Church].
She is a Figure of the Church Which functions in union with Christ Who is Her Head...
We are walking in Fields of great Mystery here...

Thank-you for your prayers...

Arsenios

Κύριε ελέησον!

Pray for me also.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

for him accuse me of idolatry.

Not him, but Him. It's GOD who warns against idolatry.

Serious matter!!! No joke!!!

 

[W2L]

Nice reply - Thank-you...

Hang in here if you would, at least for a while...

The Blessed Virgin is not the Body of Christ [Which is the Church].
She is a Figure of the Church Which functions in union with Christ Who is Her Head...
We are walking in Fields of great Mystery here...

Thank-you for your prayers...

Arsenios

You lost that argument already. No sense hanging onto it.

 

[W2L]

When someone acts out like that try to realize there's something going on in their lives that makes them think that conduct is appropriate. Sometimes a slap in the face is really just a cry for help.

I agree. Thank you for the reminder.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Κύριε ελέησον!

Pray for me also.

לֹֽ֣א תַֽעֲשֶׂ֨ה־לְךָ֥֣ פֶ֣֙סֶל֙ ׀ וְכָל־תְּמוּנָ֡֔ה אֲשֶׁ֤֣ר בַּשָּׁמַ֣֙יִם֙ ׀ מִמַּ֡֔עַל וַֽאֲשֶׁ֥ר֩ בָּאָ֖֨רֶץ מִתַָּ֑֜חַת וַאֲשֶׁ֥֣ר בַּמַּ֖֣יִם ׀ מִתַּ֥֣חַת לָאָֽ֗רֶץ

Shemot chapter 20 verse 4.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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