Mary

[W2L]

Because some people apparently believe the Bible is a book about Mary. I guess maybe they need a High Priestess or a Goddess to worship. Personally, I don't get it. The whole thing is a bit creepy to me.

I dont get it either.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Nonsense. You can't name a single person who believed Baptist theology until John Smyth created your religion in 1609. Your system of belief is a tradition of this man, not the Bible, and not the apostles.


Nonsense. Some of the books were widely accepted at the time of Constantine's death. Some were not. Some were disputed. The father of your faith Martin Luther even tried to throw the book of James out of the Bible when he rejected the authority of the councils!


Nonsense. There is nothing in the Bible to uphold your false Baptist doctrine of "salvation by faith alone" which directly contradicts the language of scripture, and which was invented by the father of your false religion Martin Luther.

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

Please go ahead and try to make up excuses, spin, and twist scripture to explain why a core belief of your false religion directly contradicts the language of scripture.

You can play nice, or you can play nasty. It's totally up to you.

I'm not a Baptist anymore. I don't associate myself with any denomination, only with Lord Jesus Christ and only. I can't edit my profile here for some reason, and it's misleading. Sorry about that. I have contacted the forum admins to change my denomination to smth like "Follower of Jesus Christ".

I am sorry that the truth upsets you so much. It is not good to do idolatry. We are to worship God only and pray to God only, not Mary. She is not God.

Even if I were a Baptist (which I'm not anymore), it doesn't change the truth. Worship God and God only, not Mary, not saints, not anybody else among the dead.

If I'm a Baptist or Naptist, it doesn't matter. Only truth of God matters. Only Jesus and His teaching matters. He is the way, the life and the truth.

 

[W2L]

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Arsenios

The Ark of the Covenant, however, is a Figure of Her...

Huh?

prayers to Her for Her intercession to Christ in our behalf.

The Spirit already intercedes on our behalf. The Lord is that Spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:17 and so there in no need for Mary.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Jack Chick with Google?

A.

Orthodoxy and Catholicism are a mix of some Christianity with lots and lots of paganism. Mary worship is idolatry. It's sin against our dear God.

"Do not turn to the spirits of the dead and do not seek familiar spirits to become unclean by them. I am the LORD your God." (Leviticus 19:31)

 

[Arsenios]

Huh?

The Spirit already intercedes on our behalf. The Lord is that Spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:17 and so there in no need for Mary.

She is in turn the Church in a Figure - See Revelation Chapter 12 - The Woman:

A Woman clothed with the sun,
and with the moon under her feet,
and upon Her Head a Crown of Twelve Stars:

Salvation came to the earth through Her Body...

Simple fact...

She is worthy of all veneration...

Do YOU call Her Blessed?

Arsenios

 

[W2L]

The Apostles could have commanded us to Pray to Saints, and to Mary the queen of Heaven. But they didnt. They taught us to pray to God for all things.

This is How Paul taught us to pray

Philippians 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

 

[W2L]

She is in turn the Church in a Figure - See Revelation Chapter 12 - The Woman:

A Woman clothed with the sun,
and with the moon under her feet,
and upon Her Head a Crown of Twelve Stars:

Salvation came to the earth through Her Body...

Simple fact...

She is worthy of all veneration...

Do YOU call Her Blessed?

Arsenios

Mary is the Church now? What?

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

She is worthy of all veneration...

Absolutely! All love and respect must be given to her, but not worship or prayer or icons. It's outright idolatry.

Do YOU call Her Blessed?

Absolutely! Blessed Mary. Calling Mary blessed does not equal prayer or worship or icon making for her.

IDOLATRY.

“You shall have no other gods before me."

“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below".

 

[Arsenios]

Orthodoxy and Catholicism are a mix of some Christianity with lots and lots of paganism. Mary worship is idolatry. It's sin against our dear God.

"Do not turn to the spirits of the dead and do not seek familiar spirits to become unclean by them. I am the LORD your God." (Leviticus 19:31)

Think veneration, Jack...

Honesty is always the best policy...

False accusations of Mary Worship are not honest...

Arsenios

 

[Phil 1:21]

This is a heartless and straw-man-phoney remark...

The Ark of the Covenant, however, is a Figure of Her...



The veneration of the Blessed Virgin is a part of the 2000 year history of Christianity, including prayers to Her for Her intercession to Christ in our behalf. The rejection of Her veneration is a very post-printing-press modern phenomenon, fueled by the Reformation's and Latin Church's disagreement, hatred, and warfare with each other...

Your getting creeped out by it is one of the bigger stumbling blocks Protestant converts to the Orthodox Catholic Faith have to face. I was personally not indoctrinated with Her rejection, being an atheist convert, but the general veneration of Saints was something I did without particularly believing any of it, but did so out of simple obedience... No longer, btw... I know it is true now... The Body of Christ is one Body, and communion with the Church Triumphant is by prayer, and that with the Church Militant is face to face, person to person, heart to heart...

Arsenios

I appreciate your opinion and respect your faith, but I'm an ex-Catholic. The "veneration" (worship) of Mary isn't a stumbling block for me converting to Catholicism, per se. Rather, it was a stumbling block to my knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ while I was Catholic. It wasn't until I stopped studying CCC and started studying the Word of God that I realized how many of the things I was raised to believe and do as a member of the RCC were completely unbiblical, some of them outright sinful. That was the start of my deep, personal relationship with God, for which I thank him many times every day.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Think veneration, Jack...

Honesty is always the best policy...

False accusations of Mary Worship are not honest...

Arsenios

“You shall have no other gods before me."

“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below".

 

[Arsenios]

Mary is the Church now? What?

Yes, in a figure -

We are birthed into Christ by Her, by the Church, in Baptism...

She gives us healing and the Holy Spirit, as did Ananias to Saul, remember?
And Philip the Ethiopean Eunuch?
And Peter Cornelius?

Arsenios

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Think veneration, Jack...

Honesty is always the best policy...

False accusations of Mary Worship are not honest...

Arsenios

OK, I thought "venaration" means respect. If it means WORSHIP then it's idolatry

It's against GOD

It's a grave sin

 

[W2L]

Yes, in a figure -

We are birthed into Christ by Her, by the Church, in Baptism...

She gives us healing and the Holy Spirit, as did Ananias to Saul, remember?
And Philip the Ethiopean Eunuch?
And Peter Cornelius?

Arsenios

The Church is the bride of Christ. Does He marry His own mother? No sir, that is not correct.

 

[Arsenios]

I appreciate your opinion and respect your faith, but I'm an ex-Catholic. The "veneration" (worship) of Mary isn't a stumbling block for me converting to Catholicism, per se. Rather, it was a stumbling block to my knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ while I was Catholic. It wasn't until I stopped studying CCC and started studying the Word of God that I realized how many of the things I was raised to believe and do as a member of the RCC were completely unbiblical, some of them outright sinful. That was the start of my deep, personal relationship with God, for which I thank him many times every day.

Which is why I am an Eastern Orthodox Catholic, and not a Latin Church member...

Arsenios

 

[Phil 1:21]

Think veneration, Jack...

Honesty is always the best policy...

False accusations of Mary Worship are not honest...

Arsenios

My friend, this is a lot more than mere veneration.

 

[Arsenios]

OK, I thought "venaration" means respect. If it means WORSHIP then it's idolatry

It's against GOD

It's a grave sin

It is spelled "veneration"...

It means honor and reverence...

Veneration is not mere respect...

Are you old enough to remember when Protestant ministers were all called "Reverend"?

Arsenios

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Which is why I am an Eastern Orthodox Catholic, and not a Latin Church member...

Arsenios

Eastern Orthodox, Latin, Luther, Baptist, Mormon, Jehova Witness...

Must belong to Christ and Christ only!

Not to some invention of men or syncretism with Paganism...

 

[Arsenios]

My friend, this is a lot more than mere veneration.

"How the West was LOST..."

This is not the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Faith...

It is a part of the prodigality of western Latin Scholastic authoritarian innovations...

Arsenios

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

It is spelled "veneration"...

It means honor and reverence...

Veneration is not mere respect...

Are you old enough to remember when Protestant ministers were all called "Reverend"?

Arsenios

Sorry about the simple typo.

I'm not a protestant. I'm sorry about my profile being misleading. I'm not a Baptist anymore. I can't edit the profile. I'll contact the forum admins to do it for me. It must read "Follower of Lord Jesus Christ".

Protestants are protesting against God, because they allow hirelings in church against the strict command of Jesus Christ, and breaking many other of Jesus's teachings.

It doesn't change the fact that Mary veneration/worship is idolatry.

Must obey God. Must not worship anybody but GOD