Mary

[Arsenios]

What she did was receive a message from an angel telling her that the Holy Spirit would come upon her and that she would give birth to Jesus. Oh yes, and she said " may it be done to me according to your word" in reply. That doesn't make her the Holiest of all the Holy Ones. It makes her a servant of God, just like anyone else who subjects themselves to God's will. She even referred to herself as a servant.

For He hath had regard for the lowliness of His handmaiden...
For behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed...

Did you notice that she asked the Angel Gabriel a doubting question?
And that she did not suffer any consequence for doing so, all all others seem to do?
"How can this be, since I am not knowing a man?"

And how her CONSENT only came AFTER the angel answered this question to her satisfaction?

So tell me, how is it that a betrothed woman about to be married would ask such a question?
I mean, it doesn't take an angel from God to tell a woman about to be married that she is about to get pregnant, does it?

Yet you are right, her consent does not make her the Holiest, but Her preparation for this event does so indeed, and these events reflect but do not cause Her sanctity of soul, which the Angel affirmed clearly beforehand...

She is a Servant indeed, like unto none before or since, born under the sentence of death, "Become as I AM, for Behold! I am meek and lowly of heart..." The servant's heart is the Heart of God...

God Bless You, Aldebaran...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Romans 3:10 As it is written:

“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”[a]

An excellent prophesy from the Old Testament describing the condition of the Jews at the time of the coming of Christ into the flesh... The Righteous Ones are no more!

Arsenios

 

[frettr00]

I've been watching some YouTube videos by Fr Matt Hartley on catholic 101 any other recommendations?

Fr Ripperger is a Catholic exorcist; I like his videos. Most of them are fairly long around an hour or so. He usually discusses topics more targeted towards spiritual warfare and spiritual advancement.

 

[W2L]

An excellent prophesy from the Old Testament describing the condition of the Jews at the time of the coming of Christ into the flesh... The Righteous Ones are no more!

Arsenios

No, its more than that, it declares that no one is righteous. You yourself should know that Christ came to save all people, and only unrighteous people need to be saved. Thus all people are unrighteous, even Mary.

 

[Arsenios]

1 Timothy 2:5---"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus"

Notice it doesn't say "each other" or "Mary".

Good!

Now please address the issue of intercesory prayer by us all for one another...

Does not this qualify as mediating between man and Christ?

Man must become Christed by mediational prayer..
That Christ should be man's mediator to God...

You see...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Huh?

It is a plain and simple question...

Arsenios

 

[W2L]

Good!

Now please address the issue of intercesory prayer by us all for one another...



Arsenios

I'll pray to you tonight, asking that you pray for me. Lets see if you hear me.

 

[W2L]

It is a plain and simple question...

Arsenios

No, it was illogical.

 

[Arsenios]

No, its more than that, it declares that no one is righteous. You yourself should know that Christ came to save all people, and only unrighteous people need to be saved. Thus all people are unrighteous, even Mary.

Fallen human reasoning...

All are born under the sentence of death, for which cause all sinned...

Arsenios

 

[Aldebaran]

For He hath had regard for the lowliness of His handmaiden...
For behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed...

Being blessed doesn't mean being an intercessor between us and God. I would call myself blessed, but I sure hope nobody sees me as someone to pray to in order to reach God.

Did you notice that she asked the Angel Gabriel a doubting question?
And that she did not suffer any consequence for doing so, all all others seem to do?
"How can this be, since I am not knowing a man?"

Others have asked questions, doubting and otherwise without punishment. Nicodemus questioned Jesus when He said we must be born again. Jonah certainly doubted and resisted. So did Ananias when God told him to go to Saul in Acts 9:13. These are just the ones that come to mind right away.

And how her CONSENT only came AFTER the angel answered this question to her satisfaction?

The angel wasn't even asking for consent. He was simply telling her what was going to happen.

Yet you are right, her consent does not make her the Holiest, but Her preparation for this event does so indeed, and these events reflect but do not cause Her sanctity of soul, which the Angel affirmed clearly beforehand...

What preparation are you referring to? I don't see anything in scripture that tells us that Mary was expecting any of this beforehand.

She is a Servant indeed, like unto none before or since, born under the sentence of death, "Become as I AM, for Behold! I am meek and lowly of heart..." The servant's heart is the Heart of God...

God Bless You, Aldebaran...

Arsenios

As a servant, she is on par with all of us. Even an angel of God is a servant and would refuse our veneration: Revelation 22:8-9---"I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, "Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God." I have a feeling that Mary would tell us the same thing.

Blessings to you as well, Arsenios.

 

[Arsenios]

I'll pray to you tonight, asking that you pray for me. Lets see if you hear me.

Too late!

I am already praying for you!



Arsenios

 

[W2L]

Fallen human reasoning...

All are born under the sentence of death, for which cause all sinned...

Arsenios

Mary was not sinless, nor did she need to be.

 

[Arsenios]

No, it was illogical.

Why is intercessory prayer instructed in the Bible for the faithful?
It cannot help Jesus being our intermediary to God the Father...
Is it not to help us in our joining to Christ?

Arsenios

 

[W2L]

Why is intercessory prayer instructed in the Bible for the faithful?
It cannot help Jesus being our intermediary to God the Father...
Is it not to help us in our joining to Christ?

Arsenios

Your comparing us with Mary, as if our prayers for each other are the same as asking Mary to pray for us. This is false however, as we have already proved. You cannot hear my prayers to you, and neither can Mary hear my prayers.

 

[Arsenios]

Mary was not sinless, nor did she need to be.

Purity of heart is essential for man in the Marriage of the Lamb...
That is why we are Baptized into Christ...
That our sins be washed away...

Not that we don't bring them back, mind you!

Arsenios

 

[Aldebaran]

Why is intercessory prayer instructed in the Bible for the faithful?
It cannot help Jesus being our intermediary to God the Father...
Is it not to help us in our joining to Christ?

Arsenios

You're confusing the ideas of praying FOR someone with praying THROUGH someone.

 

[W2L]

Purity of heart is essential for man in the Marriage of the Lamb...
That is why we are Baptized into Christ...
That our sins be washed away...

Not that we don't bring them back, mind you!

Arsenios

Im sinless then, like Mary? Cool, pray to me tonight instead of Mary. Lets see if i can hear your prayer to me.

 

[Arsenios]

Your comparing us with Mary, as if our prayers for each other are the same as asking Mary to pray for us. This is false however, as we have already proved. You cannot hear my prayers to you, and neither can Mary hear my prayers.

I am not at all saying they are the same... In the world, we are to pray for one another, and to be praying without ceasing... If I want you to pray for me, I ask you to do so...

After we pass from this world, then we pray for intercession, rather than pick up the phone and call...

But my question to you is this: "Why intercessory prayer at all??"
IF prayer is between me and God alone about me and God,
THEN why is intercessory prayer commanded of us?

Between who and Whom are we interceding??

Arsenios

 

[W2L]

I am not at all saying they are the same... In the world, we are to pray for one another, and to be praying without ceasing... If I want you to pray for me, I ask you to do so...

After we pass from this world, then we pray for intercession, rather than pick up the phone and call...

But my question to you is this: "Why intercessory prayer at all??"
IF prayer is between me and God alone about me and God,
THEN why is intercessory prayer commanded of us?

Between who and Whom are we interceding??

Arsenios

Im getting off of your theological merry go round bro. Have a blessed day.

 

[Arsenios]

You're confusing the ideas of praying FOR someone with praying THROUGH someone.

Why INTERCESSORY PRAYER?

Arsenios