Mary

[frienden thalord]

This part confuses me if those who've died stay buried and asleep till the resurrection when they hear God's voice isn't it talking to the dead or evil spirits pretending to answer as loved ones or just talking to ourselves?

and on that note , I might also add
even when the witch raised Samuel for saul, was it still not a SIN to do so. You bet .
I say we follow the biblical pattern and not mens contrary doctrines. Wonderful reply saint beloved, wonderful reply you gave.

 

[Rhamiel]

Catholics
Eastern Orthodox
Oriental Orthodox
a sizable percentage of Anglicans

it seems that the vast majority of Christians, both now and through out history, all understand that Mary has a special place in the history of salvation and deserves the highest honors and veneration

 

[frienden thalord]

Wow.. one has to walk very softly here. One would THINK you can just share...but.. you cant.

I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ. So W2L what is written? Yes .. seems like almost each group has there own real word of GOD. For me.. Jesus said HE is the Way.. HE is the truth HE is the life. IF anyone comes to Him He will not cast out. John 3:16. Believe that you are saved. He said what about ASKING? Look it up..

See Yeshua/JESUS is real. Its not what I say here or anyone else...or in this WORLD! If we follow a man/woman we get only what they personally believe. Is that what you want? TO just blindly follow someone? Then ASK HIM! So many just SAY I love Jesus I believe in Jesus and are so blessed for they believe and never seen. Yet HE IS REAL! You ask HIM..talk to HIM..no... talk to HIM.. the key is you have to ask with your heart. Ask HIM to show YOU where its written Mary can do this or that or ANYONE for that matter. For if I says Mary can.. or cant.. it becomes MY truth.

What I personlly believe is what the WORD of GOD says. And I have seen experence so much from my Father in heaven..the Father of our lord Jesus Christ. And one main reason I believe this has happen is I make SURE that what ever happens..if I HEAR or SEE something.. IT BETTER BE WRITTEN..always show CHRIST as lord.. HE is always 1st.. it leads to Him..goes inline with the word of God. So ask Him.

See with God ..here on earth there are MANY tents but ONE camp. Understand? Like 12 tribs but ONE camp. JESUS is the head.. as we look out we see many tents. Each one of those tents says JESUS came in the flesh ..He is the only way to the Father. Some dont believe in GIFTS of the Holy Spirit others do.. but JESUS is the only way to the Father..

So ...as a child of GOD..inwhich GOD is your TRUE Father...YOU ALONE can go before Him and TALK ask.. He is FOR YOU WITH YOU.. never against you.. not judging not condemning.. so ask HIM about Mary and where its written. BELIEVE! You have to BELIEVE! DONT go by what anyone says.. not even me.. for JESUS the Christ IS REAL! I do not have to prove anything. ANYONE can freely talk and EXPECT Him to talk back? He said HIS sheep KNOW not wonder not guess but KNOW His voice. You will just know. And it will ALWAYS go in line with the word of GOD.. HE and the word are one

Who is pual, who is appollos......
Truly I say , many follow the doctrines of men and act as though their leader was infallible.
IF only we sought the truth with the whole heart. How I have longed for mans doctrines which often contradicts Christ
would be cast aside and TRUTH alone loved. As for being received for preaching Christ , HIS sayings
I have long learned that any who wont hear come with teeth.
But , if the world hated CHRIST , better we know that it will hate us too , no matter how abundantely we love.
for as pual once said......though the more abundantely I love, the less I be loved.
for the love which comes from GOD, comes with correction.
and man how I see the flesh hates correction. SO to one and all I say
preach ONLY CHRIST and HIM Crucified.
And know the world crucified Christ so expect to be crucified by all who know him not.
the servant is not above his master, if they hate me , they will hate you too
if they receive my sayings they will receive yours too.

 

[Saint Beloved]

and on that note , I might also add
even when the witch raised Samuel for saul, was it still not a SIN to do so. You bet .
I say we follow the biblical pattern and not mens contrary doctrines. Wonderful reply saint beloved, wonderful reply you gave.

Thanks God bless you!

 

[frienden thalord]

Thanks God bless you!

Yet sadly have I learned, though we show through scrips, many will refuse to hear.
and choose rather the doctrines and traditions of men.

 

[frienden thalord]

Catholics
Eastern Orthodox
Oriental Orthodox
a sizable percentage of Anglicans

it seems that the vast majority of Christians, both now and through out history, all understand that Mary has a special place in the history of salvation and deserves the highest honors and veneration

Mary is called blessed in all and by all generations, but she is not to be worshipped in or by prayer .
perhaps that would help many understand.

 

[PeaceB]

IF only we sought the truth with the whole heart. How I have longed for mans doctrines which often contradicts Christ

Awesome! You can begin by rejecting "salvation by faith alone" which directly contradicts the inspired word of God.

SO to one and all I say preach ONLY CHRIST and HIM Crucified.

Great! I can suggest a few good stores where you can buy a crucifix.

 

[Rhamiel]

Mary is called blessed in all and by all generations, but she is not to be worshipped in or by prayer .
perhaps that would help many understand.

well none of us worship Mary
we pray to her, but that means we talk to her
I do not really see Protestants calling her blessed all that much
it seems that they drag her out around Christmas and then ignore or demean her rest of the year

 

[frienden thalord]

Awesome! You can begin by rejecting "salvation by faith alone" which directly contradicts the inspired word of God.


Great! I can suggest a few good stores where you can buy a crucifix.

Salvation comes by GRACE ALONE for even faiths comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of God.
the thing is BY his grace, let us OBEY this grace. Wen I said I heed no mans doctrines, that does include Luthers too.
even though he did speak a lot of truth. Still their were errors.
Grace, FOR IT is even the Father which drew us, to WHO, TO CHRIST
not interfaith , Christ alone. and its by this grace given faith IN CHRIST alone
we have access into the grace of GOD. ITS ALL BY GRACE
FOR it is HE within, teaching us that which is WELL pleasing in HIS SIGHT.
man I could sing this song all night . BUT let us labor faithfully in this grace
and be looking diligently, lest any man fail OF the grace of GOD.
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. FOR it is HE who both gives us the desire
and ability to perform that which is well pleasing in HIS SIGHT.
our part, OBEY the grace...................for if we walk after the SPIRIT we shall NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
PEACE B sing it.

 

[PeaceB]

Salvation comes by GRACE ALONE for even faiths comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of God.
the thing is BY his grace, let us OBEY this grace. Wen I said I heed no mans doctrines, that does include Luthers too.
even though he did speak a lot of truth. Still their were errors.
Grace, FOR IT is even the Father which drew us, to WHO, TO CHRIST
not interfaith , Christ alone. and its by this grace given faith IN CHRIST alone
we have access into the grace of GOD. ITS ALL BY GRACE
FOR it is HE within, teaching us that which is WELL pleasing in HIS SIGHT.
man I could sing this song all night . BUT let us labor faithfully in this grace
and be looking diligently, lest any man fail OF the grace of GOD.
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. FOR it is HE who both gives us the desire
and ability to perform that which is well pleasing in HIS SIGHT.
our part, OBEY the grace...................for if we walk after the SPIRIT we shall NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
PEACE B sing it.

Well we can agree that salvation comes by grace alone.

 

[frienden thalord]

well none of us worship Mary
we pray to her, but that means we talk to her
I do not really see Protestants calling her blessed all that much
it seems that they drag her out around Christmas and then ignore or demean her rest of the year

only I aint protestant either.
I aint anything but a follower of Christ .
and a reader of SOLA SCRIPTA BIBLE..............
when I say sola scripta its means bible only, not mens traditions, BIBLE ONLY.
my friend, I mean no man harm. But every man is fallible.
and must be tested and every doctrine taught must be tested against SOLA SCRIPTA,
we cant just say sola scripta, we have to really BE sola scripta.

 

[frienden thalord]

I have to warn now with all my love and heart.........many are being deceived
by men in pulpits men period. ALL men must be tested. NO man is to be taken AT HIS WORD
jehovas do this , mormans do this, heck must all religions do.
MY pastor is right , you wrong many say to me
or my POPE is right , you wrong many say. WELL I say TEST even the POPE.
interfaith is a lie. yet its being taught by men in high places.
but hey since they infallible , we just follow them , many say.
Be like the bereans man. STUDY the scrips for yourself. please I beg us all do this please , please, please.
cause a religion is being born that will lead to the son of perdition who by PEACE shall destroy many.

 

[frienden thalord]

Well we can agree that salvation comes by grace alone.

amen this is a start. I am not your enemy.
you will find , even though I refuse to agree with some doctrines of the religoins
I KNOW TRUE ONES when I see them. ITS SOLA SCRIPTA.
I agree with some things in the christain religoins
but the thing is It has to be the WHOLE truth.
just please, I beg you with all the love in my heart.
go back to just simple bible reading time . DO it, and pray feverenlty for ONLY truth to be received in you.
just do it. its all I ask , plead and beg with you to do.

 

[PeaceB]

only I aint protestant either.
I aint anything but a follower of Christ .
and a reader of SOLA SCRIPTA BIBLE..............
when I say sola scripta its means bible only, not mens traditions, BIBLE ONLY.
my friend, I mean no man harm. But every man is fallible.
and must be tested and every doctrine taught must be tested against SOLA SCRIPTA,
we cant just say sola scripta, we have to really BE sola scripta.

Sola scriptura is a tradition of men. The Bible itself does not teach sola scriptura, and neither did the apostles hold to it.

 

[frienden thalord]

MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and anothers they will flee.
I make this request with all my heart and love for you all.
Return to the bible ONLY, just do it. please.
its how GOD , by HIS SPIRIT opened my eyes.
just love it , feed on it, embrace the simplicity which is in CHRIST .
HIS sayings are meat for the soul. just please I beg one and all to do this.
even if you disagree with some things I say.
Do not disagree with this request. I point you to JESUS and HIS sayings, they will make clear what man has muddied.
do it . please I beg you all.

 

[PeaceB]

just please, I beg you with all the love in my heart.
go back to just simple bible reading time . DO it, and pray feverenlty for ONLY truth to be received in you.
just do it.

I did exactly that, and the Holy Spirit led me to become Catholic. So I'm good. But thank you.

 

[frienden thalord]

Sola scriptura is a tradition of men. The Bible itself does not teach sola scriptura, and neither did the apostles hold to it.

then forget the words sola scripta, and just read the bible for yourself.
it did not take me long , to realize what pual meant when he said , the Holy scrips make you wise unto salvation
through faith in Christ . the time has come that many no longer endure sound doctrine.
if I were a man who wanted to teach anything contrary to scrips
what would be my first goal, to make the bible seem NOT necessary .
Its how man deceives. why you think their are so many division and cults.
men taught doctrines contrary to the one TRUE PATTERN .
I thought sola scripta meant bible only. IF so, what wonderful news
by bible only , I don't mean we cant prophesy or speak by the SPIRIT
but how each who speaks is TESTED , is by the sound doctrine already IN the bible.

 

[frienden thalord]

I did exactly that, and the Holy Spirit led me to become Catholic. So I'm good. But thank you.

this will be my last word in this.
but guess what I have heard many others say the same
it led me to catholic, it led me to being a baptist
it led me to being a Mormon or jehovah
or protestant or whatever. BIG problem, how could it be that they were all LED of the SPRIIT
when all them religions contradict each other in part.
YOU know what would have stopped those in error.
IF they had TESTED the SPIRIT they thought was the HOLY ONE
with SOUND DOCTRINE in the BIBLE.
cause they cant all be right. you ponder over that one. I am done for now.

 

[PeaceB]

then forget the words sola scripta, and just read the bible for yourself.
it did not take me long , to realize what pual meant when he said , the Holy scrips make you wise unto salvation
through faith in Christ . the time has come that many no longer endure sound doctrine.
if I were a man who wanted to teach anything contrary to scrips
what would be my first goal, to make the bible seem NOT necessary .
Its how man deceives. why you think their are so many division and cults.
men taught doctrines contrary to the one TRUE PATTERN .
I thought sola scripta meant bible only. IF so, what wonderful news
by bible only , I don't mean we cant prophesy or speak by the SPIRIT
but how each who speaks is TESTED , is by the sound doctrine already IN the bible.

You can call it Sola Scriptura or "Bible Only" or whatever you like, but the Bible does not teach that. That is a tradition of men (Martin Luther, to be exact). Here is one example of what the Bible has to say about that topic:

13But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruitsd to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. 14To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.​

 

[PeaceB]

this will be my last word in this.
but guess what I have heard many others say the same
it led me to catholic, it led me to being a baptist
it led me to being a Mormon or jehovah
or protestant or whatever. BIG problem, how could it be that they were all LED of the SPRIIT
when all them religions contradict each other in part.
YOU know what would have stopped those in error.
IF they had TESTED the SPIRIT they thought was the HOLY ONE
with SOUND DOCTRINE in the BIBLE.
cause they cant all be right. you ponder over that one. I am done for now.

They certainly cannot all be right. That is also something on which we can agree.