Mary and Joseph

[Benedicta00]

It's not the Word, and it's not the Holy
Spirit.
Hmm, what's the third common element?

Come again?

 

[sunlover1]

Come again?

Hi.
You were asking:

...why am i believing one thing and you another

If you're both led by the Holy Spirit, and you're both
reading the Word of God, yet you both interpret it differently,
what's the third common denominator?

Yourselves.

Benedicta,
Even the Apostles who walked with Jesus
believed erroneously sometimes
and had to be corrected.
IF there were such a thing as apostolic
succession, there would still be Apostles
who misunderstand things.

We cannot pin our hopes on men.
They are fallible, every single one of them.
Romans 3:4
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar

Lord
Please help us to understand your word.
I pray you would open the eyes of
our understanding, that you would remove
anything that might hinder us from
truth.
In Jesus Christ's Name I pray, not mine.
AMEN.
Thank you Father!

 

[Benedicta00]

Hi.
You were asking:


If you're both led by the Holy Spirit, and you're both
reading the Word of God, yet you both interpret it differently,
what's the third common denominator?

Yourselves.

Benedicta,
Even the Apostles who walked with Jesus
believed erroneously sometimes
and had to be corrected.
IF there were such a thing as apostolic
succession, there would still be Apostles
who misunderstand things.

We cannot pin our hopes on men.
They are fallible, every single one of them.
Romans 3:4
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar

Lord
Please help us to understand your word.
I pray you would open the eyes of
our understanding, that you would remove
anything that might hinder us from
truth.
In Jesus Christ's Name I pray, not mine.
AMEN.
Thank you Father!

Right... that is my point. surly God have us an objective measure...

 

[PookySmiley]

if you notice..OR at least the catholic church I went to...NO ONE, not ONE carried a Bible. NO one. HOW in the world would they know if they are being led astray? Why do they not carry Bibles..read it for themselves? God speaks new and fresh things every day...goodness..I don't get that. Is the only right way the way the Pope/priest reads it to them?? I don't get it.

A friend of mine who was in the process of converting to Catholicism told me the bible was on the list of books she wasn't to read. No wonder they don't know what the bible says.

 

[sunlover1]

A friend of mine who was in the process of converting to Catholicism told me the bible was on the list of books she wasn't to read. No wonder they don't know what the bible says.

It's not like that now (far as I know)
When I was catholic, there wasn't much
mention of the Bible.
We carried a prayer book to church
on Sundays.
But that was when I was a kid.

 

[PookySmiley]

I read Gods word and allow Gods word to speak to me.. I don't go in to interpret the bible.. The Holy Spirit quickens His word to my Spirit.. If I have a question then I will pray and ask God for Wisdom for this. He is the Author of His book so He can give me the wisdom to see what He is saying to me.. My husband and I will search the scriptures. I can also call my Pastor and He can give me more scripture to read to help me understand what God is trying to say.. Scripture supports scripture..

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to IamAdopted again.

 

[repentant]

But all we need to know and hear and see He did write..

Then why did he also say to keep and obey what he said?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Cool it with the false premises, CJ,

The Church does not claim to be perfect, just that her teachings are free from error. Too bad the rest of you can't say the same, huh CJ?

we COULD say it... we'd be just as wrong as the RCC claiming it.

can I ask how tracing "all the way back to the apostles" has any thing to do with error free teachings?

 

[repentant]

Never heard of this nut as you say..

The nut was named Arian..or was it Nestor? One of those 2..

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

LOL, this is cute actually.. becuase the scriptures are in the missile.

When you went to Mass, you didn't realize that?

Every Mass has three readings from scripture and if you go to Mass daily for three years, you will have read the whole bible. 7 extra books and all.

darlin'...there was NOT ONE missle..sorry. SO I can read through the Bible a whole lot faster than 3 years in a Mass service. Read the Bible for yourself...might be enlightening. I am sorry I don't hold to erroneous teachings of fallable men. I won't take the priests word for Scripture either. Oh man...

 

[repentant]

I have never heard the "Catholics can't read the Bible thing"...but..as far as the Orthodox Church is concerned, we also believe that Mary was ever virgin..most of the other things the Catholics teach, we don't adhere to..But anyway, reading Scripture in the EOC is very important...there is a Scripture reading for everyday of the year, which after a year, the entire NT is read, along with alot of OT, such as the Psalms. At every service from the regular Sunday Liturgy (and during the week if there is a Liturgy) to Vespers, to Compline, Weddings, Baptisms, etc Scripture is ALWAYS read.

The Church father's and past Saints stress the importance of reading Scripture. They immersed themselves in Scripture.

So the idea that "they don't read Scripture, that's why they believe this" is erroneous..

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

A friend of mine who was in the process of converting to Catholicism told me the bible was on the list of books she wasn't to read. No wonder they don't know what the bible says.

are you joking? a list of not to read, and the BIBLE was on it??? OH My. I gave the people I used to be a Nanny for a Bible. Cause they were Catholic..and I cleaned their house for them..and found it odd they didn't have a Bible...so I got one for them for Christmas..and they looked at me SO odd...like I gave them something offensive. I was surprised. Now, my mom converted and has a couple catholic edition bibles...but I rarely see her read it either. AND yet, some will sit here and tell you they do...but if they did...they wouldn't.....oh forget it...I am shocked about what you say.

 

[Rhamiel]

Um....... Whoever told your friend not to read the Bible was a bad Catholic, it happens you know, bad people give out bad info, one of those trea and fruit things.

 

[repentant]

Yea that kind of did seem absurd...wait it WAS absurd

 

[prodromos]

The Orthodox will say nothing changed since he 3rd century and accuse the Catholic Church of changing but we have a different view and acknowledge the Holy Spirit didn't go comatose after the 3rd century.
...
The early Church taught Catholicism and sure the Orthodox will say they have remained closer to that and we will say the Church does not have to remain stagnant

But let's focus on the EO for a sec. They have just as much contempt for the Catholic Church as you do, but yet they do not reject the universal doctrines of Catholicism, ask your self why?

Cool it with the false premises, CJ

Benedicta00, you need to follow your own advice. What I have quoted above is a gross mischaracterisation of the Orthodox Church. When we say nothing has changed in Orthodoxy we speak of the faith once handed down by the Apostles. Orthodoxy is not stagnant. Holy Tradition is the life of the Holy Spirit in the Church and is ever growing with each new situation the Church has to deal with. We have no contempt for Catholicism, we simply do not accept its innovations which have separated it from the Orthodox faith.

Please stick with defending what you know, Catholicism, and avoid making anymore false statements about the Orthodox Church.

BTW, you can easily turn your question regarding Orthodoxy holding to the 'universal doctrines' of Catholicism (whatever they are?) on its head and ask why Catholicism still holds to the universal doctrines of Orthodoxy. After all, it is you guys who have added stuff, not us.

John

 

[PookySmiley]

Um....... Whoever told your friend not to read the Bible was a bad Catholic, it happens you know, bad people give out bad info, one of those trea and fruit things.

The priest giving her the lessons back in the mid '90s gave her a sheet of paper with a list of things she shouldn't read. The Holy Bible was on the list. Sorry folks.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

I wonder what other books were on there..

 

[Benedicta00]

The priest giving her the lessons back in the mid '90s gave her a sheet of paper with a list of things she shouldn't read. The Holy Bible was on the list. Sorry folks.

Oh bull.

 

[Benedicta00]

I wonder what other books were on there..

Melody, don't believe for a second that the Church tells ppl not to read the bible and has the bible is on a condemn list of reading.

Out of all the lies told about the Catholic faith, that is the hugest.

Look, humor me and go to a priest in your area and ask him if that's true. Go to a weekday Mass, becuase usually the devoted good practicing Catholics who know their faith attend those and when ppl exist the Church, ask them if they have ever heard of such garbage.

If this is even remotely true, i bet it was a conclusive language new age translation of the bible that was condemned, not the bible itself.

You all have got to be on guard against certain ppl who just live to slander the Church.

 

[Benedicta00]

are you joking? a list of not to read, and the BIBLE was on it??? OH My. I gave the people I used to be a Nanny for a Bible. Cause they were Catholic..and I cleaned their house for them..and found it odd they didn't have a Bible...so I got one for them for Christmas..and they looked at me SO odd...like I gave them something offensive. I was surprised. Now, my mom converted and has a couple catholic edition bibles...but I rarely see her read it either. AND yet, some will sit here and tell you they do...but if they did...they wouldn't.....oh forget it...I am shocked about what you say.

And for what reason would you believe this is even remotely true?

Are you in the habit of just taking ppl word for everything?